GT3 - SLS AMG - 90 Minute Race Series- Monday Nights 19:00 UK- FREE SPOTS - TEST RACE -post 822Finished

[SRT DK Racing]

It was a shame to miss qualifying, but in the end I had fun fighting from 14th to 2nd, so I can't complain!

I have to say bad luck to Aug, who unfortunately had a spin quite close to the end which handed me 2nd place. I was following him for most of the race about 1-2 seconds back, but couldn't catch up! I was disappointed when he spun, it would have been good to keep the battle going right to the end! But still a very fun race! Pleased with my pace after limited practice and no warm up laps before the race!

Loz , I had no plan on saying anything , but I kind off need too after seeing your post , as i forgot too save the replay , iff I had saved that , I would have made an incident report regarding your little hit on my rearend that made me hit danni in the rear end and then see you take advantage off it , passing us both , that really is`nt ok in my opinion , but thats offcource just my opinion , and iff you had`nt passed us there , wonder how you would have ended up then

 

[lozzaiscool]

Loz , I had no plan on saying anything , but I kind off need too after seeing your post , as i forgot too save the replay , iff I had saved that , I would have made an incident report regarding your little hit on my rearend that made me hit danni in the rear end and then see you take advantage off it , passing us both , that really is`nt ok in my opinion , but thats offcource just my opinion , and iff you had`nt passed us there , wonder how you would have ended up then

Still would have ended up 2nd place

But I will view the replay to remind myself what happened. From what I remember there was 4 cars going into one corner and it was all a bit messy!

 

[SRT DK Racing]

we were 3 cars and you tryid too outbreak me , as i tryid too outbreak danni and it all ended up in me allmost puching danni off track and what make u think u still would have ended up in 2nd only you know , i can only remember that it ended up in me having a lot off trouble I probaly wouldn`t have had iff it hadn`t happen .....

 

[lozzaiscool]

Ok, so I've viewed the replay. I didn't cause you to hit Danni at all, you braked too late and drove into him by yourself. The only reason you and I made contact is because you tried to turn across into me when I was already along side you. You should have gone to the right if you wanted to avoid crashing into the back of Danni. Not to the left because I was already there and there was no room. In defense to you I believe Danni did brake a little bit early, but that is not a good reason for anyone to crash into him.

Incident was on lap 5 at the end of Conrod Straight if anyone wants to view it.

 

[SRT DK Racing]

what u can see and what i could fell when i drove is 2 different things loz , and i could fell you hit me .... but , whatever ....you didn`t do anything wrong you say and thats it regarding that .....

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

I'll take a look at it and report to Logic.

Edit; no I wont, I forgot to save the replay!

 

[lozzaiscool]

Yes we can't make a decision on this ourselves @SRT DK Racing, we need outside opinions. If anyone else did rememeber to save the replay they should take a look If not then I can send it to someone.

 

[SRT DK Racing]

Yes we can't make a decision on this ourselves @SRT DK Racing, we need outside opinions. If anyone else did rememeber to save the replay they should take a look If not then I can send it to someone.

there is really no need for it loz , I just told you how I saw it and when you see it differently from the replay, then the "story" really isn`t any longer, and I have not filed any incident report concerning it , so let's just agree that we do not agree

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

there is really no need for it loz , I just told you how I saw it and when you see it differently from the replay, then the "story" really isn`t any longer, and I have not filed any incident report concerning it , so let's just agree that we do not agree

That is vey big of you, but I think an incident is always worth rewiewing by a third party, even if the conclution is that its a racing incident.

 

[richroo]

Hiya guys , if you've got time to argue could you find 5 mins to give me a few tips to improve my racing ? Ty

 

[Ayhancan1998]

Slow in fast out @richroo

 

[richroo]

Slow in fast out @richroo

do you think I'm attacking the braking zone with to much aggression , or not enough ...is my cheap wheel 'n' peddle's holding me back 1/2 sec ?

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

do you think I'm attacking the braking zone with to much aggression , or not enough ...is my cheap wheel 'n' peddle's holding me back 1/2 sec ?

I got a cheap wheel 'n pedals, so no.
I generally brake very late, and very hard, then go for the apex by trailbraking until the car is down to speed, then hit the throttle and try to maintain a little slide through the corner. Fast, but harch on tyres.

 

[richroo]

I got a cheap wheel 'n pedals, so no.
I generally brake very late, and very hard, then go for the apex by trailbraking until the car is down to speed, then hit the throttle and try to maintain a little slide through the corner. Fast, but harch on tyres.

have you moved the brake peddle or is yours a guess with each press ..lol should have said mod not move

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

have you moved the brake peddle or is yours a guess with each press ..lol

I have'nt moved anything, stock DFGT, with a ~1mm play between the steeringwheel shaft cog-wheel, and the engine cog.

there is no guessing with the braking, if im going too fast, I brake harder, if im going too slow I ease off the brake.

 

[Stephen Vann]

Ok here is my 5 cents worth.

There is an observation and is really the difference between the elite guys and the normal guys.

Elite guys have to get on with it, they dont like hanging around behind slower cars, they go for almost any opportunity to pass, and seem able to keep control of their cars even when they are sliding almost out of control after a slight contact when passing other cars.
Elite guys race with the assumption that if they are alongside they are assuming the guy they are trying to overtake will know how to deal with it.
Eiite guys have less power and will have to take any opportunity as soon as they can to overtake even if its risky.
Elite guys have less power but are quicker around corners, so the problem will always be there as the corners are really the best places for them to pass.

Normal guys would love to race like the elite guys, but really they are amazed at the laptimes the elite guys can do, it makes them wonder how they can go that fast.
Normal guys dont have the same control of their cars and try not to get into situations where their car is not in a straight line, as they are not great at getting it all back together and that usually ends up in a crash.
Normal guys assume that if they are ahead going into a corner then the line is theirs to take, and the car trying to pass has to back off, as normal guys have enough trouble getting through the corners on their own without the added stress of having to look in the mirror, just at the point of turn in when they are at their fastest entry point.
Normal guys know this of each other and will follow other normal guys for many laps, only getting past if the car in front makes a mistake or they get enough draft to get their nose ahead, then the guy they are passing will see this as a fair pass and back off a bit.
Normal guys try their best to be as fast as they can, but they are not so fast round the bends as elite guys, and they know when an elite guy is behind them, then the chances are the elite guy will try to get past them, this makes the normal guy a little defensive, a little nervous and ready to get bumped.
Normal guys just race other normal guys knowing that they wont put the other normal guys in front them in a position that is a possible crash, generally normal guys know all about problems normal guys have and try to give them the fair room and space they need.

Its clear that Normal and Elite guys should never be mixed as Elite guys fight with hammer and normal guys fight with feathers.

There is no real remedy to this and i am not laying blame or trying to insult or condemn any of the driving styles noted above.

At the start of each race i always message " BE FAIR AND GIVE ROOM NO SILLY OVERTAKES " but i know that we all see things differently.

I see something, like LOZZA overtake on SRT with DAN and GUEVEN in front of SRT.

I can say hand on heart that is not an overtake that any of the normal guys would make as its way to risky for you an the guy you are overtaking, however LOZZA is much much faster and more in control of his car than i am so what i see as dangerous, he sees as fine.

I did once make a rule that THE CAR AHEAD HAS THE LINE AND THE CAR BEHIND MUST BACK OFF ON CORNER ENTRY and this was a great rule, however as more elite guys joined the series we were running they say that as long as you are alongside then the other car must give you room to go around the corner side by side, otherwise with less power the elite guys would never get past.

This is an observation only, in fact i saw SRT incident with LOZZA more caused by LOZZAs attempt at passing than the actual attempt itself.


This is just the difference we have between the elite and normal guys.

All week i race with normal guys and i know for sure i dont need to look in the mirror on braking for corner entry, as if the car has its nose ahead i back off, i dont need to look in the mirror, and i dont need to look alongside, if he is ahead i will see him, in my bonnet view and also his name will pop above mine on the drivers position list.

There we are, thats all sorted out then LOL.

 

[Stephen Vann]

I have'nt moved anything, stock DFGT, with a ~1mm play between the steeringwheel shaft cog-wheel, and the engine cog.

there is no guessing with the braking, if im going too fast, I brake harder, if im going too slow I ease off the brake.

You always going to fast Andrmeda.

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

You'd think so, but no.

The best way to describe my driving style is: "Marc Marquez -Honda RC213V"

sounds weird comparing car driving with motorcycle driving, but with GT6 physics being what it is, I see a similarity in how you attack the corner. (atleast how I attack it)
You never see a car braking that late, and using that much yaw angle. sliding through the corner.
In bike racing on the other hand, you see it all the time, atleast from Marquez.

 

[Stephen Vann]

You'd think so, but no.

The best way to describe my driving style is: "Marc Marquez -Honda RC213V"

sounds weird comparing car driving with motorcycle driving, but with GT6 physics being what it is, I see a similarity in how you attack the corner. (atleast how I attack it)
You never see a car braking that late, and using that much yaw angle. sliding through the corner.
In bike racing on the other hand, you see it all the time, atleast from Marquez.

Well, Marques is without a doubt amazing, he is actually crashing on every bend, but just manages not to, he has taken motogp to another level.

 

[richroo]

just thought id show you's my car ... and my handicap.......

 

[lozzaiscool]

All I would say to that is that if someone is right on my bumper all the way down a long straight I will expect them try to overtake at the next corner (as anyone should), in which case I will keep checking my mirror right up to the point where I turn in. If I don't want them to overtake I will defend and if I see someone dive down the inside and it's too late for me to defend I leave them room. In the same way that if I was coming up behind anyone, be it an 'elite' or 'normal' driver as you put it, then I would take an opportunity to overtake if I see it. After all, overtaking is what racing is about! You say the incident was caused by me trying to overtake, but there was room on the inside, I made the corner with plenty of room to spare, I didn't brake too late, am I supposed to no longer try to overtake people? If there was no room to overtake I wouldn't have.

My point is that I would have expected everyone to share these views as we are all here to race!

But anyway, we'll move on from this. Don't want to let it spoil what has been a great season so far!

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

All I would say to that is that if someone is right on my bumper all the way down a long straight I will expect them try to overtake at the next corner (as anyone should), in which case I will keep checking my mirror right up to the point where I turn in. If I don't want them to overtake I will defend and if I see someone dive down the inside and it's too late for me to defend I leave them room. In the same way that if I was coming up behind anyone, be it an 'elite' or 'normal' driver as you put it, then I would take an opportunity to overtake if I see it. After all, overtaking is what racing is about! You say the incident was caused by me trying to overtake, but there was room on the inside, I made the corner with plenty of room to spare, I didn't brake too late, am I supposed to no longer try to overtake people? If there was no room to overtake I wouldn't have.

My point is that I would have expected everyone to share these views as we are all here to race!

But anyway, we'll move on from this. Don't want to let it spoil what has been a great season so far!

I agree to this, as I have told logic in PM, if someone is that close, I fully expect them to attack. But maybe he's right, maybe not all of us think this way... maybe because not all of us have the mentality of a racing driver.

A wise man once said "if you no longer go for a gap that exist, you're no longer a racing driver"
Problem is that in simracing and lower class racing, there is alot of people that go for a gap that does'nt exist, and that causes problems. I wish I had the replay so I could check for myself. but from what I hear from others srt did not defend his position (leaving room on the inside), that leaves a gap on the inside, and if there is a gap, a racing driver will, and should, go for it!

just thought id show you's my car ... and my handicap.......

Well, ok, a spring loaded 200 degree (I believe?) wheel will be a disadvantage, but not as much as you think.
Although, if you enjoy racing games and enjoy GT6, I would recommend a better wheel. maybe not top of the line expensive stuff, but a 900 degree force feedback wheel will improve your times, car controll, and make the game more enjoyable.
The cheapest 900 degree FFB whell I know of is the DFGT, and even if you can find a cheaper one, I'd recommend the Logitech, because I have had a few wheels in the past, and they always break after a few months, the Logitech is pretty much bulletproof. I have maltreated mine for over 4 years now, hitting it, throwing it, biting it... and it still works just fine.

A used DFGT will set you back about €60 EUR. IMO, that is well worth it, and really is'nt a big deal.

 

[Stephen Vann]

I agree to this, as I have told logic in PM, if someone is that close, I fully expect them to attack. But maybe he's right, maybe not all of us think this way... maybe because not all of us have the mentality of a racing driver.

A wise man once said "if you no longer go for a gap that exist, you're no longer a racing driver"
Problem is that in simracing and lower class racing, there is alot of people that go for a gap that does'nt exist, and that causes problems. I wish I had the replay so I could check for myself. but from what I hear from others srt did not defend his position (leaving room on the inside), that leaves a gap on the inside, and if there is a gap, a racing driver will, and should, go for it!



Well, ok, a spring loaded 200 degree (I believe?) wheel will be a disadvantage, but not as much as you think.
Although, if you enjoy racing games and enjoy GT6, I would recommend a better wheel. maybe not top of the line expensive stuff, but a 900 degree force feedback wheel will improve your times, car controll, and make the game more enjoyable.
The cheapest 900 degree FFB whell I know of is the DFGT, and even if you can find a cheaper one, I'd recommend the Logitech, because I have had a few wheels in the past, and they always break after a few months, the Logitech is pretty much bulletproof. I have maltreated mine for over 4 years now, hitting it, throwing it, biting it... and it still works just fine.

A used DFGT will set you back about €60 EUR. IMO, that is well worth it, and really is'nt a big deal.

I just just think the difference between us is maybe just that i will only go for an overtake if i know i can get clearly a good half car ahead before turn in so he can clearly see me in his ahead view, otherwise i will compromise the guy i am going to overtake, and i wouldn't want to bump or cause anyone to crash because of my overtake attempt if i was only half alongside, so i generally wait until he makes a mistake or i get a good draft, but always make sure i know i will be in his forward view at turn in, otherwise i back off.

This may be because i know my own limitations when i am being overtaken i guess, i know that someone half alongside as you enter a corner normally causes some sort of contact and possibly the car outside running wide or crashing.

As Erazer says, in real life its much easier to judge spacial awareness, so going up the inside on entry to a corner is an easier thing to do, but in gt6 i know quite a few guys like me race with bonnet view, and sadly you dont have the mirror and you need that, and a sideways look without loosing your ahead view, even though it may be for a half a second, its not ideal on entry to a fast corner, special if you are close behind a car ahead.

Anyway, we leave it there as in the end we cant change it, just the way it is i guess.

 

[TRL_Andromeda]

I just just think the difference between us is maybe just that i will only go for an overtake if i know i can get clearly a good half car ahead before turn in so he can clearly see me in his ahead view, otherwise i will compromise the guy i am going to overtake, and i wouldn't want to bump or cause anyone to crash because of my overtake attempt if i was only half alongside, so i generally wait until he makes a mistake or i get a good draft, but always make sure i know i will be in his forward view at turn in, otherwise i back off.

This may be because i know my own limitations when i am being overtaken i guess, i know that someone half alongside as you enter a corner normally causes some sort of contact and possibly the car outside running wide or crashing.

As Erazer says, in real life its much easier to judge spacial awareness, so going up the inside on entry to a corner is an easier thing to do, but in gt6 i know quite a few guys like me race with bonnet view, and sadly you dont have the mirror and you need that, and a sideways look without loosing your ahead view, even though it may be for a half a second, its not ideal on entry to a fast corner, special if you are close behind a car ahead.

Anyway, we leave it there as in the end we cant change it, just the way it is i guess.

I fail to see the difference between real life and the game, are you saying you would'nt know if the car is there? I dont think that is a valid excuse. I have often left space on the inside, only to find out the overtaking driver backed off, but I'd rather do that than to crash into him.

I did not even know this was an issue... I have not felt any issues with passing, be it slow or fast drivers. but maybe the drivers I have passed felt I was rough on them, just that they did'nt speak up about it, I dont know.
I sencerily hope people speak up if they feel I made a dirty pass.

 

[Stephen Vann]

I fail to see the difference between real life and the game, are you saying you would'nt know if the car is there? I dont think that is a valid excuse. I have often left space on the inside, only to find out the overtaking driver backed off, but I'd rather do that than to crash into him.

I did not even know this was an issue... I have not felt any issues with passing, be it slow or fast drivers. but maybe the drivers I have passed felt I was rough on them, just that they did'nt speak up about it, I dont know.
I sencerily hope people speak up if they feel I made a dirty pass.

I am just saying that in real life you would know more easily how far the car was alongside you than you do in the game.

 

[lozzaiscool]

You don't need to know how far along side you a car is, if you think they are anywhere along side you then you leave them room. Even if they end up not being there atleast you didn't run the risk.

 

[SkengD]

Sorry not to join the lovely convo you guys are having .

I am looking forward to midfield , I think I can be closer to the top 2 guys here , its a shorter track I shouldnt be too far off the pace here .

I Hope so , lol .


Bathurst is not one of my better tracks , it is a track where you need a lot of confidence in the car and I have no confidence with this car at all .

I was happy to be only 3 tenths off aug in qualifying but clearly he just had a bad qualy, lol .

Had 2 incidents with Mikey in the race which cost me at least 20 seconds , so considering all of that my results were decent .

I improved my fastest lap each stint so I was happy that I was learning the track and getting faster as the race went on.

See you all at midfield !!!

 

[Stephen Vann]

Anyone about tonight for Midfield Practice.

I should be on around 18.00 UK until late

 

[richroo]

In

 

[Stephen Vann]

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