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ChristmasGTO
You wanna have competition, go race the WRS.
Plus don't spit all the bad things out. Jezus, you guys and yr lighting....
Learn to look on the bright side of things. What does appeal in GT4? Alot...
GT4 Bugs
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You wanna have competition, go race the WRS.
Plus don't spit all the bad things out. Jezus, you guys and yr lighting....
Learn to look on the bright side of things. What does appeal in GT4? Alot...
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mprata
I agree. But that's thinking in stupid terms. You do know that GT4 still needs a console wright? And GT4 is just made on the limits of that console wright?
Well, there you have yr answer.
In the future i bet that this will all be there... But we're still living in the here and now, so.... keep that in mind.
Gosh i just am sick of these unnecessary discussions. Live here, live now, or don't live at all!
I just read al 26 pages of this thread... and I am surprised at how different my perspective is. Perhaps it comes from being an old-timer software developer. Back then software quality expectation were a lot higher. Bugs were not just things that crashed... they included flaws in usability, design, and in general anything that "felt wrong". Having said that... here are my 2cents.
Coding bugs... I have not encountered any. Good job. But I bought the game around June 2005, so maybe the bugs that others talk about were already fixed.
Overall playability... still the best racing game I ever tried.
Design/usability/enjoyability flaws... lots, even some things that were (only in my personal opinion) done better in GT3. Then again, none is really fatal - if you are patient - but they can sometimes be frustrating. I list some, only as suggestions for improvement in a future version. They should all be easy to fix/improve and are based on very high expectations - I am not really complaining about them, so please don't flame me.
- AI is not very smart... probably caused by PS2 processing limitations. Collision avoidance and passing are the areas that need the most improvement.
- Sense of "what to do first, what to do next" is horrible in GT4. GT3 was much better at this. GT4 has many more races, so added complexity is natural, but for a starting player it is just very weird. For example, if you have a B license there are tons of races... if you know where they are. Some are even in the Professional hall!!! That sure was a surprise.
- Manual. Too skimpy. To keep cost down, a full-fledge on-game manual would do wonders. Even better if it was also available on their internet site as a downloadable and printable PDF. I read about the wonderful Japanese manual... this would allow doing it cheaply for all markets.
- Prize cars. In GT3 it always felt like the prize car was proportionate with the race difficulty. In GT4 sometimes you get great prizes from an easy race, or lousy prizes from difficult races. The worst is when you get an "unusable" car - very frustrating. I suppose these unusable cars might have been done as paid advertising or maybe they were considered "cool" by someone. A compromise (maybe for GT5) would be to give these useless cars as "bonus" prizes, in addition to the normal ones. Turn an annoyance into a benefit
- Rigidity refresher cost should be proportional to the cost of the car. For many cars it is cheaper to buy new than used + refresher. This is silly.
- Race difficulty for single-brand races seems to be disconnected from their licensing requirements. I found myself beating almost all of them easily, regardless of license, after doing the exact same set of basic upgrades (tranny, brakes, suspension, tires). I'd think that races that require a higher license should be more difficult.
- Licensing tests are utterly out of proportion to the difficulty of the races the tests qualify you for. Ideally, when your skill reaches the point that you can pass a license, you should be able to place 4-6 in most races for that license, win a few of them, and gradually improve your skill as you race. By the time you beat all the races for that license you should be at a skill point to pass the next license. In the current model license tests are way too hard, and once you beat a license you are usually good enough to beat all races of that license level (and often the next) quite easily.
- Penalty system: Great idea, poor implementation. You can only have a good penalty system if it applies to all cars equally... including the AI. Which is why so many people are frustrated at it. But that cannot really be fixed until the AI collision avoidance is improved. I really look forward to those 2 fixes... today people (including me) drive way too dirty to compensate/payback for the AI's behavior. Once the AI is fixed, it would be possible for every collision to cause a penalty/damage to both cars involved, and truly encourage clean racing.
- Network games: I really bang my head against the wall on this one. It would have been so unbelievably easy to extend the LAN game option to play over the internet. All that was needed is a screen to enter the IP address of the "host" player (instead or in addition to the current automatic-find in local LAN), then use the functionality already built into the game. What a missed opportunity... this game would have been unbelievable for multiplayer over the internet.
Still... even as it is today, it is a great game.
Coding bugs... I have not encountered any. Good job. But I bought the game around June 2005, so maybe the bugs that others talk about were already fixed.
Overall playability... still the best racing game I ever tried.
Design/usability/enjoyability flaws... lots, even some things that were (only in my personal opinion) done better in GT3. Then again, none is really fatal - if you are patient - but they can sometimes be frustrating. I list some, only as suggestions for improvement in a future version. They should all be easy to fix/improve and are based on very high expectations - I am not really complaining about them, so please don't flame me.
- AI is not very smart... probably caused by PS2 processing limitations. Collision avoidance and passing are the areas that need the most improvement.
- Sense of "what to do first, what to do next" is horrible in GT4. GT3 was much better at this. GT4 has many more races, so added complexity is natural, but for a starting player it is just very weird. For example, if you have a B license there are tons of races... if you know where they are. Some are even in the Professional hall!!! That sure was a surprise.
- Manual. Too skimpy. To keep cost down, a full-fledge on-game manual would do wonders. Even better if it was also available on their internet site as a downloadable and printable PDF. I read about the wonderful Japanese manual... this would allow doing it cheaply for all markets.
- Prize cars. In GT3 it always felt like the prize car was proportionate with the race difficulty. In GT4 sometimes you get great prizes from an easy race, or lousy prizes from difficult races. The worst is when you get an "unusable" car - very frustrating. I suppose these unusable cars might have been done as paid advertising or maybe they were considered "cool" by someone. A compromise (maybe for GT5) would be to give these useless cars as "bonus" prizes, in addition to the normal ones. Turn an annoyance into a benefit
- Rigidity refresher cost should be proportional to the cost of the car. For many cars it is cheaper to buy new than used + refresher. This is silly.
- Race difficulty for single-brand races seems to be disconnected from their licensing requirements. I found myself beating almost all of them easily, regardless of license, after doing the exact same set of basic upgrades (tranny, brakes, suspension, tires). I'd think that races that require a higher license should be more difficult.
- Licensing tests are utterly out of proportion to the difficulty of the races the tests qualify you for. Ideally, when your skill reaches the point that you can pass a license, you should be able to place 4-6 in most races for that license, win a few of them, and gradually improve your skill as you race. By the time you beat all the races for that license you should be at a skill point to pass the next license. In the current model license tests are way too hard, and once you beat a license you are usually good enough to beat all races of that license level (and often the next) quite easily.
- Penalty system: Great idea, poor implementation. You can only have a good penalty system if it applies to all cars equally... including the AI. Which is why so many people are frustrated at it. But that cannot really be fixed until the AI collision avoidance is improved. I really look forward to those 2 fixes... today people (including me) drive way too dirty to compensate/payback for the AI's behavior. Once the AI is fixed, it would be possible for every collision to cause a penalty/damage to both cars involved, and truly encourage clean racing.
- Network games: I really bang my head against the wall on this one. It would have been so unbelievably easy to extend the LAN game option to play over the internet. All that was needed is a screen to enter the IP address of the "host" player (instead or in addition to the current automatic-find in local LAN), then use the functionality already built into the game. What a missed opportunity... this game would have been unbelievable for multiplayer over the internet.
Still... even as it is today, it is a great game.
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- GTP_AtomicZombie/Nuclearfire
i have the misson bug the one where if ya dont do the missons in order and first you olny can get 99.8% completion, i got the game the day it came out in the usa. what my qustin is: If i redo the game from starting new and do the missons first will i get 100% and the black f1 car. i dont wanna redo the hole game just to fimd out that won't work thanx for the help
-neil-
-neil-
- 2,110
i thought the bug is that if you dont do mission 1 first you wont get 100%, i dont think it matters if you do all of them in order. that's what i heard.
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- GTP_AtomicZombie/Nuclearfire
ok, cool so if i restart i can get 100% than?
-neil-
-neil-
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- BenSpecialized
im not sure why this happened but i think its some sort of bug in the game
About a month ago I was doing "fast" laps on the nurburgring in a Lancia Delta Evo and i was coming up to karesel (excuse spelling) and i tryed to drop a few gears and it wasnt having any of it, i was in forth and tryed to drop to second but it wouldnt go untill the revs had dropped to about 2,000rpm. After the corner it behaved normally. i have used other cars on other tracks and every so often it happens again. I tryed a new controller and it seemed to have cured the problem untill yesterday when i was racing at infinion raceway in a Z4.
I dont use and drving aids and i was wondering if anybody else has experienced this?
Cheers
About a month ago I was doing "fast" laps on the nurburgring in a Lancia Delta Evo and i was coming up to karesel (excuse spelling) and i tryed to drop a few gears and it wasnt having any of it, i was in forth and tryed to drop to second but it wouldnt go untill the revs had dropped to about 2,000rpm. After the corner it behaved normally. i have used other cars on other tracks and every so often it happens again. I tryed a new controller and it seemed to have cured the problem untill yesterday when i was racing at infinion raceway in a Z4.
I dont use and drving aids and i was wondering if anybody else has experienced this?
Cheers
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- GTP_Renesis
Benjii
Are you using manual or auto? Cos auto might explain the problem, manual - well, that would be a concern.
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- BenSpecialized
RenesisEvo
Sorry should have made that clear, yes i am using manual. I though it may be because of drving aids and i double checked to make sure they were off for the cars it has happened with and they were off. I seems to happen randomly and i thought it may be my drving style but it would happen alot more if it was i assume. Its not a major problem but can be frustrating.
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what is up with the Saleens gearbox? 1st and 2nd are alot alike...at least in accleration...its feels like the glitch with the 2006 Eclipse GT
Hi guys,
Just wondering if any of you NTSC version owners have experienced this,
In Motorland and Basic Beginner course, when you race a few laps and then
watch replays, does your car sometimes just go straight into wall and stay there?
it's been happening to me a ton of times in those 2 tracks so far.
I'm guessing it's a glitch, but i'd like to see if others are seeing this too then
I won't be too worried about it. Thanks.
Just wondering if any of you NTSC version owners have experienced this,
In Motorland and Basic Beginner course, when you race a few laps and then
watch replays, does your car sometimes just go straight into wall and stay there?
it's been happening to me a ton of times in those 2 tracks so far.
I'm guessing it's a glitch, but i'd like to see if others are seeing this too then
I won't be too worried about it. Thanks.
Scaff
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nismo4life
Just dug out some figures for the gear ratios on the 2002 Saleen S7 (same as the GT4 version) and they are as follows:
1st = 2.46
2nd = 2.06
Final Drive = 3.22
Using these and the driven wheel size (355/25ZR-20) the mph per 1,000rpm can be calculated as follows:
1st = 10.14 mph per 1,000rpm
2nd = 12.11 mph per 1,000rpm.
Not a lot of difference between 1st and 2nd in the real car; this one is not a bug, its how the car should be.
Regards
Scaff
on the enduro fuji 1000 got it on b spec bob mode to rack up some cash im using the minolta toyota.
when he go's into pits i leave the pit selection on screen when he go's to jack up at pits the end of the car nearly reachs 90 degress until the pit selection menu dissapers anyone else seen this on this track maybe with another kind of car.
ps im using pal version
when he go's into pits i leave the pit selection on screen when he go's to jack up at pits the end of the car nearly reachs 90 degress until the pit selection menu dissapers anyone else seen this on this track maybe with another kind of car.
ps im using pal version
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sar593
They're called whitewall tires, and if you buy the S1 tires your VW should get them. A similar thing happened with my C1 Corvete. It is awarded with Sport tires, so i had to buy standard tires so I could have whitewalls.
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- Agremont
g7usl
How are they going to implement it realisticaly when most races are 2-5 laps long?
Would be rather pointless.
It's a different track in a diffrent part of Germany.
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- Washington State
Encyclopedia
And with that being said, then why even have it on such a short race to begin with? Why not just get rid of it alltogether and only use it on the enduros?
Besides, there's no way ANYONE could rub off that much rubber in such a short amount of time, and have to come into the pits *before* needing gas! To me, tire wear has always been 'unrealistic' but unfortunately, that's one of the many things I'm sure that the developers just won't ever be getting around to *fix* any time soon.
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just discovered a small glitch...
buy a clio v6 phase 2
go to gt auto
have a look at some of the aftermarket wheels on the clio
most of the wheels that dont work properly on the clio look crap on it anyway but that is beyond the point!!
buy a clio v6 phase 2
go to gt auto
have a look at some of the aftermarket wheels on the clio
most of the wheels that dont work properly on the clio look crap on it anyway but that is beyond the point!!
