GT4 Unofficial WRS Warmup Race #2
- Thread starter Famine
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kensei
Best car evAr. I remember an iLink game we had with Wastegate and daan. Six SuperAutoBacs MR-Ss, 2 laps of the String. daan beat me by 0.002s
We had one wonderful moment in the square corners where the cars went in 1-2-3-4 and by the exit of that section 4th was 1st, 1st was 4th and no-one had touched anyone else. Fantabulous... 
- 1,008
- GTP_Luxy
I was just watching back my replay, and had some thoughts on this combo 
- I'm shifting at 6500 RPM, which seems to get me a few car-lengths at least on all of the straights (if I remember correctly, this car liked to be shifted before redline in GT3 also).
- The key to T1 for me is to let the car roll. Flat from start-finish to turn 1. Brake early for the first turn, and coast for a second to the crest, then power on in 4th (rather than braking right into the apex and getting right back on the gas). Don't try to eliminate the all of the understeer, just try to plan for the slide so that you don't have an off. Flat from the exit of the first chicane through the first part of the second chicane. Brake lightly and coast to the crest, keeping it in 5th. Rolling onto the throttle at the apex of both right-handers helps a lot.
- For the downhill left 180 after T1, as you crest the hill, aim for the inside. As you come into the dip after the crest, hit the brakes and switch down to 4th, which will make the back end of the car slide a bit. This help to reduce understeer here. You can keep the car tight to the inside pretty much the whole way around. Get full on the throttle from a little before the post on the left, and touch the kerb at it's mid-point.
- For the double right before the esses, keep it in third. Take a smooth radius that just misses both kerbs (you can touch the second one, but if you're touching the first one, you'd braking too much). This one's tough because there isn't really a reference as to where the apex is.
- The esses are flat out.
- For the right-hander after the esses (that leads onto the little straight to the final hairpin), a tiny left-foot brake, or partial lift helps keep things smooth. I'm pretty sure that you can make it though this turn flat as well, but it'd be an easy way to wreck an otherwise good lap trying.
- I'm shifting at 6500 RPM, which seems to get me a few car-lengths at least on all of the straights (if I remember correctly, this car liked to be shifted before redline in GT3 also).
- The key to T1 for me is to let the car roll. Flat from start-finish to turn 1. Brake early for the first turn, and coast for a second to the crest, then power on in 4th (rather than braking right into the apex and getting right back on the gas). Don't try to eliminate the all of the understeer, just try to plan for the slide so that you don't have an off. Flat from the exit of the first chicane through the first part of the second chicane. Brake lightly and coast to the crest, keeping it in 5th. Rolling onto the throttle at the apex of both right-handers helps a lot.
- For the downhill left 180 after T1, as you crest the hill, aim for the inside. As you come into the dip after the crest, hit the brakes and switch down to 4th, which will make the back end of the car slide a bit. This help to reduce understeer here. You can keep the car tight to the inside pretty much the whole way around. Get full on the throttle from a little before the post on the left, and touch the kerb at it's mid-point.
- For the double right before the esses, keep it in third. Take a smooth radius that just misses both kerbs (you can touch the second one, but if you're touching the first one, you'd braking too much). This one's tough because there isn't really a reference as to where the apex is.
- The esses are flat out.
- For the right-hander after the esses (that leads onto the little straight to the final hairpin), a tiny left-foot brake, or partial lift helps keep things smooth. I'm pretty sure that you can make it though this turn flat as well, but it'd be an easy way to wreck an otherwise good lap trying.
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I am in division 2.... and i have a logitec wingman formula force GP wheel.
- 415
T1-18.681
T2-57.012
Dropped final time by .5 👍
T2-57.012
Dropped final time by .5 👍
- 415
T1-18.691
T2-56.894
dropped final time by another .3 👍
T2-56.894
dropped final time by another .3 👍
- 1,306
Nice little combo, Famine 👍
I used to not particularly like the track, but not that I am starting to learn it, I think it's not that bad after all.
The car is better than I thought it would be, too.
Here are my splits, after the first 10 laps.
T1: 0'18.978
T2: 0'58.104
I can see a lot of room for improvement, expecially for T1, which should drop my T2 at least into the 57's.
I will defined myself satisfied if I managed to get a T2 of 0'56.9xx.
I have a question, though. In 'Quick Tune-up', I understand you cannot change the 'Power' or the 'Weight' of the vehicle, but what about its 'Top speed' (which is, by default, set to be 280km)?
Are we allowed to change that, or should we keep everything 'stock'?
EDIT: On a second thought, after a quick look at the leaderboard (Luxy, by the way, I am in Division 2 and I am using a DS2) I think my goal T2 of 0'56.9xx needs to be changed to a 0'57.5xx*
*For the ones that think I am going to post random times just to be close to the other racers on the leaderboard, do not worry. I am going to submit my replay, since I have an Action Replay MAX Drive.
The Wizard.
I used to not particularly like the track, but not that I am starting to learn it, I think it's not that bad after all.
The car is better than I thought it would be, too.
Here are my splits, after the first 10 laps.
T1: 0'18.978
T2: 0'58.104
I can see a lot of room for improvement, expecially for T1, which should drop my T2 at least into the 57's.
I will defined myself satisfied if I managed to get a T2 of 0'56.9xx.
I have a question, though. In 'Quick Tune-up', I understand you cannot change the 'Power' or the 'Weight' of the vehicle, but what about its 'Top speed' (which is, by default, set to be 280km)?
Are we allowed to change that, or should we keep everything 'stock'?
EDIT: On a second thought, after a quick look at the leaderboard (Luxy, by the way, I am in Division 2 and I am using a DS2) I think my goal T2 of 0'56.9xx needs to be changed to a 0'57.5xx*
*For the ones that think I am going to post random times just to be close to the other racers on the leaderboard, do not worry. I am going to submit my replay, since I have an Action Replay MAX Drive.
The Wizard.
- 1,306
Ehm... *Cough cough* This was the main reason I was asking, too:
Which is promptly denied by this:
I guess we ought to keep everything "stock" - in other words, just change the tires, even if I don't see anybody running with anything but Racing Super Soft.
I still would like to know Famine's final (
) word about this issue.
To change or not to change: that is the question
The Wizard.
This was the main reason I was asking, too:FamineAnything you CAN adjust you MAY adjust. Except the power and the weight...
Which is promptly denied by this
:Famine
I guess we ought to keep everything "stock" - in other words, just change the tires, even if I don't see anybody running with anything but Racing Super Soft.
I still would like to know Famine's final (
) word about this issue.To change or not to change: that is the question
The Wizard.
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I have run 20-30 more laps, with the car "stock" (to abide to the latest requirements )
I have seen T1's with 0'18.6xx and T2's with 0'57.5xx, just not in the same lap, and not 100% clean, so I know I have lots of room for improvement.
I am starting to like this track more and more 👍
And I just love the car, it handles like a dream
The Wizard.
)I have seen T1's with 0'18.6xx and T2's with 0'57.5xx, just not in the same lap, and not 100% clean, so I know I have lots of room for improvement.
I am starting to like this track more and more 👍
And I just love the car, it handles like a dream
The Wizard.
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Luxy
When i took the certification test i was on a DS2, recently i have hooked up my wheel and started to use that. Also, both power and weight mods are at 0 and nothing is changed in the quick tune garage.
- 1,306
Here are my latest, best T's so far:
T1: 0'18.736
T2: 0'57.533
I reached my goal, maybe I should lower it a little further, as it didn't take me as long as I thought it would take me, in order to reach it.
I am just a Division 2 racer, and I am using the DS2.
In GT3 WRS it would take me humongous amounts of laps to get within 0.500 of the top racers' splits, and I would usually end up anywhere from a whole second to a second and a half away from the top of Division 1, when the final lap times were posted.
Now, is it just me, or GT4 is levelling up the field? Just an impression?
Or, since this is unofficial, you top Division 1 racers are not putting the same amount of effort as you used to put in the official GT3 WRS's?
I am just curious, because I know that I haven't got that much better within the past couple of weeks
EDIT: I have even seen a T1 of 0'18.599 (the lap was clean up to that point), which, doing the math, is 0.137 seconds faster than the T1 that I just posted, meaning I could get a T2 of 0'57.396, everything else held constant. This would put me up there with Nick_Johnston28 and Luxy... Luxy used to make me eat his dust, in GT3 WRS, by a long shot
Is GT4 easier, once you get used to the physics?
I don't know, it just doesn't seem right...
The Wizard.
T1: 0'18.736
T2: 0'57.533
I reached my goal, maybe I should lower it a little further, as it didn't take me as long as I thought it would take me, in order to reach it.
I am just a Division 2 racer, and I am using the DS2.
In GT3 WRS it would take me humongous amounts of laps to get within 0.500 of the top racers' splits, and I would usually end up anywhere from a whole second to a second and a half away from the top of Division 1, when the final lap times were posted.
Now, is it just me, or GT4 is levelling up the field? Just an impression?
Or, since this is unofficial, you top Division 1 racers are not putting the same amount of effort as you used to put in the official GT3 WRS's?
I am just curious, because I know that I haven't got that much better within the past couple of weeks
EDIT: I have even seen a T1 of 0'18.599 (the lap was clean up to that point), which, doing the math, is 0.137 seconds faster than the T1 that I just posted, meaning I could get a T2 of 0'57.396, everything else held constant. This would put me up there with Nick_Johnston28 and Luxy... Luxy used to make me eat his dust, in GT3 WRS, by a long shot
Is GT4 easier, once you get used to the physics?
I don't know, it just doesn't seem right...
The Wizard.
- 1,008
- GTP_Luxy
Nick_Johnston28
Cool
... looks like I've got some work to do, then 👍Do you mind walking me through the section between T1 and T2? I'm curious as to where I'm losing so much time
@TheWizard: I've run about 2 hours worth on this one. I think that the new track is levelling the playing field. The amount of track knowledge many people had in GT3 was a big advantage, and the new track removes some of that.
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Luxy
Disregard what I said I my previous edit... That time would put me closer to you (ahead, to be precise
), Luxy, but Nick_Johnston28 just went below 57 seconds, which to me seems pretty impossible to achieve.I have put about 2 to 2 hours and a half into this, counting breaks.
What you said seems pretty reasonable.
Hopefully then, since I will start the GT4 WRS at the same time of you all, track knowledge won't be as much as an issue as it used to be in GT3 WRS.
The Wizard.
Iceman
Staff Emeritus
- 5,491
- Wisconsin, USA
I can verify that going under 57 seconds is very, very possible. My new best is at 57.1, and lost about .2 at T1. I can easily back my lap up though, which I don't know if Nick_johnston can. I also don't see how getting the wheel would give you such a huge improvement in such a short time. I eagerly await a replay, and at the very least, analyzer data 👍. Don't take this too harsh Nick, it just shows that people notice you are a fast driver.
ive been getting 19.1xx sec. to 19.2xx sec on my T1, and around 58.9xx to 59.0xx on my T2, id have to say my worst portion of the track is turn 2 and turn 4 i just cant seem to carry enough speed out of them or i break to late otherwise my times would be much lover on T1 and T2 due to my ability to carry more speed through the turn, can anyone give me some help on what you do through these turns i would be very grateful,
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F1Lover
I am by no means the fastest racer out here, but I will try to help nonetheless.
Here is my technique (assuming that you are using the car in its 'stock' form, with only Racing Super Soft tires):
After starting-finishing line, I put the car in 6th gear, shifting at 6500 rpm's, as suggested by Luxy not too long ago.
I break and downshift to 4th gear a little before the rumble strip of turn 1, trying to stay as close to the left rumble strip as possible (if I hit it, the car bounces too much, and I lose control) - this will grant me the possibility to take turn 2 as wide as possible.
I then aim the car toward the apex of rumble strip of turn 2 (on the right) and floor it as soon as the front right tire hits such apex. Again, make sure you don't go all the way ON TOP of the rumble strip, or your car will jump and end up out of bounds.
The technique for the next 'chicane' is pretty much similar, only this time I take both turns in 5th gear. Try to take the turn as wide as possible, break early, don't jump on the rumble strips, and don't open the gas too soon.
The rest of the track is pretty much straightforward. I notice that those two 'chicanes' make the difference between a good lap and an average lap. Unfortunately I haven't figured out a consistant way of reproducing the method that I just described (which more than likely is not the perfect method, but works for me).
I only manage to do everything nicely once every 2 or 3 laps, but when I do I easily manage to get into the 18.6xx, even 18.5xx sometimes.
Hope this helps.
Now for a question of my own:
How do you guys take the last 180 before the finish line? 3rd or 2nd gear?
The Wizard.
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Here is a write up of my lap through. And iceman, ill try to get you some data for you.
Go into the hairpin, go wayyyy wide and get on the gas early, so i have more speed, stay around the outside of that dogleg before the finish line, im at 118 across the line, also shift at 6500.
Going up in T1, stay in 5th.. not worth the effort to shift to 6th then back down, keep it floored till the first rumble strip on the left, brake to 3rd and let it roll for a sec, get on the gas when you get to the middle of the right rumble strip, dont let the car drift out too wide.
Going down into t3 keep it floored and to the left in t3.. stay in 4th the whole time. Brake slightly for the uphill left, try to get the car pointed so you can get on the gas early.. the car wont want to turn.
Going into turn 5.. brake to 3rd and try to late apex the corner, its a weird turn, it seems like you would have to slow more than you really have to.
Turn 6, the caroucel, brake while you are turning, stay low, try to get on the gas as early as possible.
Turn 8 and 9... brake late, get into 3rd.. let the car roll for a second.. get on the gas and let her drift all the way out.
Esses, keep on the gas the whole time.
The 2nd to last corner.. keep on the gas and tap the brakes, you can take it at about 136 IIRC.
Last turn, get right next to the yellow lines that lead to the tire wall, brake in the middle of that yellow line and get to 2nd, get on the gas early and get to the line..
There's my lap.
Go into the hairpin, go wayyyy wide and get on the gas early, so i have more speed, stay around the outside of that dogleg before the finish line, im at 118 across the line, also shift at 6500.
Going up in T1, stay in 5th.. not worth the effort to shift to 6th then back down, keep it floored till the first rumble strip on the left, brake to 3rd and let it roll for a sec, get on the gas when you get to the middle of the right rumble strip, dont let the car drift out too wide.
Going down into t3 keep it floored and to the left in t3.. stay in 4th the whole time. Brake slightly for the uphill left, try to get the car pointed so you can get on the gas early.. the car wont want to turn.
Going into turn 5.. brake to 3rd and try to late apex the corner, its a weird turn, it seems like you would have to slow more than you really have to.
Turn 6, the caroucel, brake while you are turning, stay low, try to get on the gas as early as possible.
Turn 8 and 9... brake late, get into 3rd.. let the car roll for a second.. get on the gas and let her drift all the way out.
Esses, keep on the gas the whole time.
The 2nd to last corner.. keep on the gas and tap the brakes, you can take it at about 136 IIRC.
Last turn, get right next to the yellow lines that lead to the tire wall, brake in the middle of that yellow line and get to 2nd, get on the gas early and get to the line..
There's my lap.
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- PpR_Junkyardspec or GTP_Junkyardspec
- PpR Junkyard
just ran......
T1-19.301
T2-58.557----lost time on T1 Gained a whole bunch on T2 and after T2
still slowly trimming time .6 seconds this time
T1-19.301
T2-58.557----lost time on T1 Gained a whole bunch on T2 and after T2
still slowly trimming time .6 seconds this time
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Nice write up, Nick 👍
Believe it or not, I managed to take that turn at 138-139 MPH, for a couple of times, but cannot duplicate it again for the life of me
I would hate to try it once I am on a good lap, just to throw everything away for that turn. I usually just take it at ~135 MPH. If I ever get to a point to where I do everything else consistantly and it seems the only way I can still shave off a bit is to take that turn faster, then I probably will.
But right now I haven't gotten the perfect lap yet. I can either nail Start-T1 and average T1-T2, or average Start-T1 and nail T1-T2. If I managed to nail both, I would get into the 57.1xx, as I have done a T2 of 57.3xx with a T1 of 18.7xx.
My best T1 so far is 18.5xx. So, with that assumption, I could shave another 0.200 from T2, by managing to get that 18.5xx.
I will try some more later...
It ain't over 'til it's over
The Wizard.
Nick_Johnston28
Believe it or not, I managed to take that turn at 138-139 MPH, for a couple of times, but cannot duplicate it again for the life of me
I would hate to try it once I am on a good lap, just to throw everything away for that turn. I usually just take it at ~135 MPH. If I ever get to a point to where I do everything else consistantly and it seems the only way I can still shave off a bit is to take that turn faster, then I probably will.
But right now I haven't gotten the perfect lap yet. I can either nail Start-T1 and average T1-T2, or average Start-T1 and nail T1-T2. If I managed to nail both, I would get into the 57.1xx, as I have done a T2 of 57.3xx with a T1 of 18.7xx.
My best T1 so far is 18.5xx. So, with that assumption, I could shave another 0.200 from T2, by managing to get that 18.5xx.
I will try some more later...
It ain't over 'til it's over
The Wizard.
