GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]
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Just to prove a point since everyone seems to gang up on Cobra...yet Front and select others are just as "fan boy" biased..
Textures don't make a game. People created hype, not Polyphony. GT3 is only what it is today because of better technology, when it was released the complaints were minimal and people were satisfied, now they demand more, they recieve more, but just as fans do, they are not satisfied because other companies (MS with Forza) are simply taking notice of what is "wanted" and focusing on that, which worries me, because their focus should be a physics engine and little else, damage/tire tracks/etc will not make this game, nor will they break it, they are luxuries, physics will determine weather or not it is a good simulator, period.
Important features like...physics? Or important features like "our cars take damage and you can decorate them". While I agree it's a nice addition, I believe since this is thei FIRST go round...their focus should not be to cover all of the ground at once, rather take it step by step and build from a great foundation, rather than make small pillars and watch the building fall.
Forza will be good, but unless the change their focus for the next few iterations, the game will not advance as it should.
And most can preach about the tire pressure head yada yada, we've HEARD it a million times, but no one will know how realistic it will be. Anyone can say they studied whatever for however long. But let's look at this.
GT3, people were hyped, accept that, they bought the game and loved it. Only when they realized the glitches and the spots that were not right with physics did they complain, yet now we see. But at the time PD said they had done extensive research etc...so, with that said, we can apply the same logic to forza.
Textures don't make a game. People created hype, not Polyphony. GT3 is only what it is today because of better technology, when it was released the complaints were minimal and people were satisfied, now they demand more, they recieve more, but just as fans do, they are not satisfied because other companies (MS with Forza) are simply taking notice of what is "wanted" and focusing on that, which worries me, because their focus should be a physics engine and little else, damage/tire tracks/etc will not make this game, nor will they break it, they are luxuries, physics will determine weather or not it is a good simulator, period.
Important features like...physics? Or important features like "our cars take damage and you can decorate them". While I agree it's a nice addition, I believe since this is thei FIRST go round...their focus should not be to cover all of the ground at once, rather take it step by step and build from a great foundation, rather than make small pillars and watch the building fall.
Forza will be good, but unless the change their focus for the next few iterations, the game will not advance as it should.
And most can preach about the tire pressure head yada yada, we've HEARD it a million times, but no one will know how realistic it will be. Anyone can say they studied whatever for however long. But let's look at this.
GT3, people were hyped, accept that, they bought the game and loved it. Only when they realized the glitches and the spots that were not right with physics did they complain, yet now we see. But at the time PD said they had done extensive research etc...so, with that said, we can apply the same logic to forza.
I agree, but I don't still don't see how Forza is going to be too mainstream because o the car cusomization.
Sure, they are hyping the car customization, but they are hyping the physics just as much if not more, especially when looking at the developer interviews rather than silly trailers.
The developers all seem to be very keen on the realism. Now hype is always going to be part of it, but there is nothing that seems to indicate the they are trying to over hype the "rice" as to steer people away from deficiences in the physics engine or a lack of overall realism.
Again, we will need to play Forza, but it sounds to me like they just decided to give consumers as much of what they wanted as they could. It seems that many here would consider Forza in a better light if it has LESS features.
edit: After rereading tha_con's post I would sum up by saying that I think the developers are fully capable of covering all the bases. Everything is really just based on time and we have no idea how long it would take them to finish different features.
It is possible that they divided up the available time between features and said ok, do the best you can with this much time.
I think it is much more likely they simply started working on the fundamentals like the physics engine(which they claim they did) and either added all the features they could in an alloted time or simply decided to finish it when it is done. I think this is reinforced by the february date which is really a useless time to rush for.
Sure, they are hyping the car customization, but they are hyping the physics just as much if not more, especially when looking at the developer interviews rather than silly trailers.
The developers all seem to be very keen on the realism. Now hype is always going to be part of it, but there is nothing that seems to indicate the they are trying to over hype the "rice" as to steer people away from deficiences in the physics engine or a lack of overall realism.
Again, we will need to play Forza, but it sounds to me like they just decided to give consumers as much of what they wanted as they could. It seems that many here would consider Forza in a better light if it has LESS features.
edit: After rereading tha_con's post I would sum up by saying that I think the developers are fully capable of covering all the bases. Everything is really just based on time and we have no idea how long it would take them to finish different features.
It is possible that they divided up the available time between features and said ok, do the best you can with this much time.
I think it is much more likely they simply started working on the fundamentals like the physics engine(which they claim they did) and either added all the features they could in an alloted time or simply decided to finish it when it is done. I think this is reinforced by the february date which is really a useless time to rush for.
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Forza??? are you worried with Forza menace and anothers games???
This ps2 racing game is the best and GT, Forza, Enthusia...etc are all dead...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/708/708456/imgs_1.html?fromint=1
oh my god! how can they to do that game?
it is infernal!!!!
Look those textures!!!!
This ps2 racing game is the best and GT, Forza, Enthusia...etc are all dead...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/708/708456/imgs_1.html?fromint=1
oh my god! how can they to do that game?it is infernal!!!!
Look those textures!!!!
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that game's an arcade racer, you tarded f'up
Hey if you set up the driving force pro at 320degrees, will it mechanically lock at 320degrees or are you still able to steer 900degrees but ingame it stops at 320? ThnxFrontummm......... GTR supports Force Feedback at 900degree's
I personally use 320degrees since that's what the official GTR car's are set at, and regardless 200-900 it all has Force Feedback
Btw, I was hoping that the new gtr demo would feature another car and track and simulation mode.
PakHey if you set up the driving force pro at 320degrees, will it mechanically lock at 320degrees or are you still able to steer 900degrees but ingame it stops at 320? Thnx
Btw, I was hoping that the new gtr demo would feature another car and track and simulation mode.
it steer's 900degrees but ingame it stops at 320 "IF" you program it with DXTweak2 go a google for it
dunkeeThe hood's all wrong on the Xanavi Skyline...it's suppose to have more vents in it. Ya see, they're cutting corners alreadyAnd yes this is an old pic...was on like page 80 something.
They have several hoods with different number of vents (see pics below)
It's common that racing cars are constantly modified to get better performance.
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netnaiForza??? are you worried with Forza menace and anothers games???
This ps2 racing game is the best and GT, Forza, Enthusia...etc are all dead...
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/708/708456/imgs_1.html?fromint=1
it is infernal!!!!
Look those textures!!!!
Looks like another "London Racer" type thing...
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CobraGT a question for you.
Where did you get the information that GT4 uses 300 parameters in its Physics engine.
The last interview i read close to this sort of information, Kazanori stated that Gt4s Engine could currently handle 30 calculations per frame, and he hoped that with the new PS3 that he would be able to increase this to 300 calculations per frame.
So if GT4 uses 300 parameters are they only calculatiing each one (in a set of 30) every 10 frames?
I wouldnt think, would you?
If you havea link to the source of this fantastic news that GT4 will be calculating 300 parameters per frame, i would gladly like to see it. Please!
Where did you get the information that GT4 uses 300 parameters in its Physics engine.
The last interview i read close to this sort of information, Kazanori stated that Gt4s Engine could currently handle 30 calculations per frame, and he hoped that with the new PS3 that he would be able to increase this to 300 calculations per frame.
So if GT4 uses 300 parameters are they only calculatiing each one (in a set of 30) every 10 frames?
I wouldnt think, would you?
If you havea link to the source of this fantastic news that GT4 will be calculating 300 parameters per frame, i would gladly like to see it. Please!
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