GT5 or GT6 vs FM3 or FM4 the competition will continue!

[serversurfer]

Trolls

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Not to turn this into a console war thread or anything but the 360's "limits" were easier to reach due to developer friendly hardware.

Umm, yeah. That's what I said.

Also, the 360's GPU is widely considered better then the PS3's

True, but I fail to see what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Then, both consoles "limits" would have been reached a long time ago and it has just been a case of using "tricks of the trade" so to speak to make games look better.

Sorry, but I don't think I understand the point you're trying to make here. As I just pointed out, developers have only recently been able to make use of most/all of the available clock cycles in the Cell. In fact, even Resistance 2, which came out last fall, left the SPUs idle a fairly significant amount of time. I imagine the new RCF game will make better use of the available cycles though.

That plus the option to install the full game on HD and we may just see a higher LOD car model in-game and perhaps even 10+ car grid.

Installing the game to the HDD wouldn't help with either of those things.

All the other features I posted that should be in FM3 or FM4 are just a matter of development time, and not limited by hardware.

Also incorrect. Many of the items on your FM4 wishlist are directly limited by the power of the hardware. In fact, looking over your list, the inclusion of DLC and the addition of GT-R are the only two wishes I notice that aren't affected by the power of the hardware.

Granted, some of it could be accomplished by code optimizations, but again, the 360 is already pretty much tapped out. There simply isn't that much optimization left to be done at this point. The proverbial low-hanging fruit was harvested long ago, meaning all that can be done at this point is major investments in time for minor gains in performance.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

serversurfer, you keep postig crap as fact and speaking like you know exactly what is going on. I, flat out, don't think you have a clue nor do I like your attitude towards me as I've seen it so far. So I'm just going to ignore what you have to say. You're more than welcome to do the same. I won't take offense, I'll be thankful. Tata!

 

[MoreTorque]

Comparing GT4's car list to that of Forza 2, I found that I would drive at best 80 of GT4's cars, as opposed to Forza 2's 105 cars. And that doesn't include any racing Porsche's or Ferrari's. Which is pretty shocking, considering Forza 2 has over 300 cars, while Gran Turismo 4 has over 700 cars. I have a list of the cars I would drive in each game, if you want me to PM them to you.

Since I'm solely basing my "argument" in past games, I'm willing to say those 1000 cars of GT5 won't be as impressive as those 400 cars of Forza. We will see once each game is released, though.

I'm the complete opposite. I find GT4's car list more interesting than Forza 2. I know there were alot of useless cars in GT4, but in a way that's what made it stand out for me compared to alot of racing games.

IMO Forza 2's car selection was pretty standard for a racing game, and really didn't have many cars that weren't in GT4. Most were because of model year, because Forza 2 was newer. I feel GT4 had a way better selection of American muscle cars than Forza, and Forza 2 combined.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

I'm the complete opposite. I find GT4's car list more interesting than Forza 2. I know there were alot of useless cars in GT4, but in a way that's what made it stand out for me compared to alot of racing games.

IMO Forza 2's car selection was pretty standard for a racing game, and really didn't have many cars that weren't in GT4. Most were because of model year, because Forza 2 was newer. I feel GT4 had a way better selection of American muscle cars than Forza, and Forza 2 combined.

True, GT4 had some wonderful obscure cars but at the same time if I could have removed a lot of those cars and shaved a year off the development I would have gladly done so.

 

[serversurfer]

serversurfer, you keep postig crap as fact and speaking like you know exactly what is going on. I, flat out, don't think you have a clue nor do I like your attitude towards me as I've seen it so far. So I'm just going to ignore what you have to say. You're more than welcome to do the same. I won't take offense, I'll be thankful. Tata!

lol Then by all means, please enlighten me. How would a mandatory install help increase the number of cars on track?

I happen to know for a fact it won't, but I'd like to hear your theory before I explain it to you, so please, humor me.

 

[Lucas]

I'm the complete opposite. I find GT4's car list more interesting than Forza 2. I know there were alot of useless cars in GT4, but in a way that's what made it stand out for me compared to alot of racing games.

A lot of useless cars = stand out. Does not compute.

Nah, some people like it that way. Since I personally don't like all of those cars, since as mentioned before, I will drive around 80 of them, they are useless in the pure meaning of the word: I have no use for them, and thus I won't use them at all.

 

[Sele1981]

Just played GT5P after one month playing Supercar Challenge...

Wow I got to say I like the SCC physics much more...

Played with the F40 on Suzuka in GT5P and I really don´t like how the car handles :S
That car is undriveable... I don´t think that any car in real life is so hard to drive... It feels like you´re driving on little stones... Oversteers and understeers much to much...

After that I put SCC in and it´s so much fun to drive... I was shocked myself... I loved GT5P... But SCC is really really good...
If they do the next game better it´s a real competitor for GT and FM

There are a lot of bad things in SCC but the physics are much better for me... It´s more fun to drive...

Or I got to play GT5P again for another month...

Edit: Oh forgotten, there are NOOOOO car sounds in GT5P!! Wow the GT5P sounds really sucks after playing SCC... you can´t hear the car really...

And something more worst... The FFB effects on GT5P are a joke!

Put SCC in the PS3 after GT5P and wow the FFB´s are really awesome in SCC... you can really feel the weight of the car... The FFB effects are really strong...

 

[Cobra_NZ]

GTP's physics are a bit off, but I don't mind them too much. I thing they need work and a bit more tweaking but after Spec III I can almost live with them. Regardless, I am hoping something like a Spec IV for GT5 with improved physics. 👍

 

[chepe371]

A lot of useless cars = stand out. Does not compute.

It stands out because the game is telling you there's more to it than using a car to win a race, you can take them out for spins, i never got into the older cars until i played GTR2 with Legends mod, and noticed cool little cars like Abarth tc1000, Fiat Giulia's, let's you know cool cars aren't always about flash and jet engines and 400km\h.

How is that not bad-ass?

 

[Earth]

A lot of useless cars = stand out. Does not compute.

Nah, some people like it that way. Since I personally don't like all of those cars, since as mentioned before, I will drive around 80 of them, they are useless in the pure meaning of the word: I have no use for them, and thus I won't use them at all.

I dont think they are useless to everyone

From the very first Gran Turismo the idea that a race sim could have racecars and supercars and economy cars amazed me and is what got me hooked on GT

The idea that most of Forza 3's cars won't have less then 350 HP and will cost 75,000+ credits does not appeal to me.

 

[Lucas]

I dont think they are useless to everyone

From the very first Gran Turismo the idea that a race sim could have racecars and supercars and economy cars amazed me and is what got me hooked on GT

The idea that most of Forza 3's cars won't have less then 350 HP and will cost 75,000+ credits does not appeal to me.

That's why I say personally. Still, that doesn't mean I would buy Forza 3 over GT5. Given the chance, I would definitely go for GT5 for X reasons that I cannot explain that got me hooked to the series.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

lol Then by all means, please enlighten me. How would a mandatory install help increase the number of cars on track?

I happen to know for a fact it won't, but I'd like to hear your theory before I explain it to you, so please, humor me.

You seem to be missing the point of being ignored. Don't worry, one day you will grow up and you will understand.

 

[Bogie 19th]

I still have not responded to the poll, because the poll question doesn't make any sense. Can someone explain what it is asking?

 

[Cobra_NZ]

It stands out because the game is telling you there's more to it than using a car to win a race, you can take them out for spins, I never got into the older cars until I played GTR2 with Legends mod, and noticed cool little cars like Abarth tc1000, Fiat Giulia's, let's you know cool cars aren't always about flash and jet engines and 400km\h.

How is that not bad-ass?

That car is indeed bad-ass.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

I still have not responded to the poll, because the poll question doesn't make any sense. Can someone explain what it is asking?

Basically pick which gaming franchise, you think, will be the closer to the perfect driving game, GT5,GT6 or FM3, FM4. The features that both games could include to get closer to perfection are listed on the first post.

EDIT: Sorry for ther double post.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Thanks Cobra. I gathered that, but man is it poorly written.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Thanks Cobra. I gathered that, but man is it poorly written.

OK, when I get home tonight I'll update first post so it makes more sense. 👍

 

[MoreTorque]

It stands out because the game is telling you there's more to it than using a car to win a race, you can take them out for spins, i never got into the older cars until i played GTR2 with Legends mod, and noticed cool little cars like Abarth tc1000, Fiat Giulia's, let's you know cool cars aren't always about flash and jet engines and 400km\h.

How is that not bad-ass?

Yeah I agree. In a way the cars that don't have alot of purpose give GT4 more character than most racing games.

There isn't alot of racing games if any that have cars ranging from 123 year old 1 Hp 3 wheelers up to ultra high performance modern supercars.

Truth be told there are alot of cars in GT4 I don't use, but the fact I have the option there if I want to use them IMO makes GT4's car selection one of the most diversified in racing video game history.

 

[YonnyMestampo]

Turn10 developers sais that they are going to wait 5 years to make Forza 4.

And about the comparison of GT5 vs FM3, I think GT5 Prologue slap around the face to Forza 1, 2 & 3 together, imagine what would doGT5.

 

[FyreandIce]

Turn10 developers sais that they are going to wait 5 years to make Forza 4.

Source?

 

[serversurfer]

You seem to be missing the point of being ignored. Don't worry, one day you will grow up and you will understand.

lol And you seem to be unfamiliar with the phrase, "Put up, or shut up, punk." Although I see you're intimately familiar with, "Screw you guys. I'm going home." Your mom must let you watch South Park.

Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and learn how the big boys play; it's not all empty talk and bravado.

 

[Organ-Donor]

lol And you seem to be unfamiliar with the phrase, "Put up, or shut up, punk." Although I see you're intimately familiar with, "Screw you guys. I'm going home." Your mom must let you watch South Park.

Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and learn how the big boys play; it's not all empty talk and bravado.

Some of these threads on here turn into pure entertainment 👍

 

[Crispy74]

Some of these threads on here turn into pure entertainment 👍

+1 👍

 

[Nomino]

lol And you seem to be unfamiliar with the phrase, "Put up, or shut up, punk." Although I see you're intimately familiar with, "Screw you guys. I'm going home." Your mom must let you watch South Park.

Don't worry, one day you'll grow up and learn how the big boys play; it's not all empty talk and bravado.

Dude, it's not worth it. Almost every thread this snake initiates or takes part in turns into some kind of warzone! All he seems capable of is listing out his desires for the game, then when somebody comes along and challenges those, he turns all defensive and argumentative. Eventually, when he knows the battle is lost, he'll start twisting the things that you already said in an attempt to 1-up you.

Edit: What he also does is act all innocent and goody-goody when you respond to his warzone-antics. So predictable, can almost read him like a book.

Alright Cobra, how's it hanging? Yeah, you are still on my ignore list, but your threads do have an air of humour about them.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

Just want to say to all thank you for participating in this thread, I hope it's provided some interesting points of discussion.

Unfortunately some undesirables will always be around looking to start a flame war, much like the two characters that posted before me. Obviously being ignored is not something they can comprehend or deal with. Even though I politely request that they don't aim posts at me as I have no interest, they choose to pursue the matter. Not sure why the moderators are ignoring this but I will report those posts. The insults, language and attitude should be addressed.

I would like to go back on the thread topic and would appreciate if you all could ignore such disruptive behaviour. Thanks 👍

On Topic:

Thanks Cobra. I gathered that, but man is it poorly written.

"There is also a poll for the GTP members to decide which franchise they believe has the better chance to reach these accolades." This was the first part that was in there already, I thought it was pretty self explanatory, but, I've also added this now: "As such I've made a list with the usual things fans of both games would like in either game and I hope this will help everyone with their voting decision." Now it should be a bit clearer.

 

[Touring Mars]

OK, now that I've had a chance to read the thread in full, here's what I think:

The entire premise of the thread and accompanying poll was flawed from the outset - it is entirely plausible that neither game will ever be considered "the" definitive game, not while the other franchise still exists anyway. Anyone who has ever played both Gran Turismo and Forza games (probably the majority of people on this site) will tell you that each game has it's advantages and disadvantages over the other. The very idea that one will ultimately be shown superior to the other is flawed, and will always be a matter of opinion. The first post also contains plenty more speculation which practically invited a challenge, and it's my view that such challenges were justified.

Criticism and trolling are not the same thing, and in my view, the first post (based on a flawed premise, as well as being full of speculation) was always likely to attract criticism - some of which hasn't been addressed in anything like a civil manner. If you ask people for their opinions or invite people to comment on what amounts to nothing more than your own speculations, then it shouldn't come as much of a surprise when people have different views, or who might challenge your reasoning behind them. Also, it's a bit rich to ask people to "Try not to rubbish or ridicule others", but then proceed to use inflammatory language yourself, like "talking crap"; "malignant tumour" and repeatedly insisting on labelling those you disagree with as trolls.

As such, this thread is going to remain closed.