GT5 tires vs. real life?

[Denilson]

What type of tire does Comfort soft means for example..

It would be great if you guys could name a real life tire and connect it to the Comfort H/M/S, Sports H/M/S, Racing H/M/S.

I have a few ideas.

I would say that the comfort hard is more like an old tire where you have exchanged the old tread and mounted a new tread on an old tire-base. (hope you understand my poor english) In sweedish : regummerade

The comfort medium would be your average tire mounted on every day cars like a toyota Yaris, or something like that.

And the comfort soft would probably be something the car man. would put on cars like a Toyota camry, Dodge SRT4 or similar.

The Sport soft would be as sticky as it gets but still be road legit (a tire with treads). IMO Michelin Cup Sport, TOYO R888, Pirelli P Zero Corsa -This type of tyre is fitted to cars like Porsche GT3, BMW M3 CSL.. Offcourse there are other manufachters.. Ferrari 360 CS, and Ferrari 430 Scuderia, Lambo Super Leggera use these kind of tyres as well. Probably Pirelli for obvious reasons..

The Sport medium would be a tire similar to Michelin Pilot Sport II and Dunlop Sportmaxx-Comes with cars like BMW M5, BMW M3, Audi RS6 to name a few..

The Sport hard would be more like Pirelli P6/7000 and Khumo Ecsta SPT.. A pretty sporty tire but a little bit to hard for the more powerful cars. So i guess these tires are fitted on a sporty car, but still not as powerful. Volvo S60 T5 for example, probably some average Audis and BMW's as well.

The racing hard would more or less be something that you can by for a good price, not road legit (slicks). Something the amateur track-day guy would by for he's beloved track-day-car.

The racing medium would imo be the first real racing slick apart from the hard choice. And the soft one would be for advanced racing.

So imo i miss one level here.. The F1 cars have a tire developed for each race and would give one more level of grip compared to the Racing soft. here you have the famous Bridgestone Potenza. Offcourse this is only for commercial purpose. The real name for those kind of advanced racing tires I dont know. prob. something like XY666ZZYY :-)

feel free to fill in my blanks.. And fel free to express your own opinion.

 

[jimbogl]

generally speaking the higher a cars bhp out of the factory the softer the tyre. so a factory car with 100 bhp or less will have comfort hard or med and cars with 100-120 bhp will have comfort soft, then higher bhp cars will go to sport tyres. racing tryes wouldnt be road legal at all as they have far to little tread

 

[Denilson]

generally speaking the higher a cars bhp out of the factory the softer the tyre. so a factory car with 100 bhp or less will have comfort hard or med and cars with 100-120 bhp will have comfort soft, then higher bhp cars will go to sport tyres. racing tryes wouldnt be road legal at all as they have far to little tread

I agree.. But the Sport soft tyre, imo a Michelin Cup Sport is a semi-slick tire with road legal tread.. but still really soft and sticky. I drova a BMW M3 CSL slightly modified with the MSC tyres on a track-day.. the grip was amazing.. It had a lot to do with the entire setup of the car offcourse, but it was like glued to the tarmac

 

[HeroPride]

I have a question, why are most of these tires not road legal?

Sorry for a noob question.

 

[chimuel]

I have a question, why are most of these tires not road legal?

Sorry for a noob question.

There's a certain minimum requirement for tread depth (a % based on tyre width).
Studded tyres may be illegal in some places as well.

It all depends on your locality what these minimums are but you can always check on your government's website.

Now if you are itching to get sports tyres for your car with the minimum legal tread requirement I would hesitate. My 550's sports tyres last more or less 500miles per set. I usually just leave all seasons on mine except when on a track.

 

[Denilson]

There's a certain minimum requirement for tread depth (a % based on tyre width).
Studded tyres may be illegal in some places as well.

It all depends on your locality what these minimums are but you can always check on your government's website.

Now if you are itching to get sports tyres for your car with the minimum legal tread requirement I would hesitate. My 550's sports tyres last more or less 500miles per set. I usually just leave all seasons on mine except when on a track.

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyre last about 3-500 miles if you use them in everyday diving. And the Michelin Pilot Sport II last about 1000 miles.. It depends on how you drive offcourse..

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Sad that they did not do a better job on tire life in GT5. GT4 was very good in this area and made for some interesting tire strategy but here it seems that pretty much all the tires last about the same.

In GT4 the Comfort tires lasted almost forever where the Race softs lasted no time at all.

To compare to real life I think of the Comfort hard as cheaper radial tires which have a long tread life 60,000 + and comfort soft are the more expensive radial tires found on many higher end cars giving more grip and about 1/3 the tire life at 2x the price.

 

[chimuel]

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyre last about 3-500 miles if you use them in everyday diving. And the Michelin Pilot Sport II last about 1000 miles.. It depends on how you drive offcourse..

I will only use Pirelli P Zeroes on my 550. Tread wear rating is 220 (P Zero Nero)

Rear tyres definitely go faster than the fronts (daily commute of around 15-18 miles, maybe 20 secs of WOT, if I'm lucky).

 

[Denilson]

I will only use Pirelli P Zeroes on my 550. Tread wear rating is 220 (P Zero Nero)

Rear tyres definitely go faster than the fronts (daily commute of around 15-18 miles, maybe 20 secs of WOT, if I'm lucky).

P Zero or P Zero Corsa? P Zero Corza is more like the Michelin pilot sport Cup, and P Zero is more like Michelin pilot Sport II or Dunlop Sportmaxx in my book..
The Corsa and Cup tyre is called Semi-slicks cause of the shallow tread.. But still road legal (In Sweden), but the R-tyres are not legal for road use in Swe.

 

[Denilson]

Sad that they did not do a better job on tire life in GT5. GT4 was very good in this area and made for some interesting tire strategy but here it seems that pretty much all the tires last about the same.

In GT4 the Comfort tires lasted almost forever where the Race softs lasted no time at all.

To compare to real life I think of the Comfort hard as cheaper radial tires which have a long tread life 60,000 + and comfort soft are the more expensive radial tires found on many higher end cars giving more grip and about 1/3 the tire life at 2x the price.

So you meen that Comforts softs comes with cars such as BMW M3's from the factory? (Michelin Pilot Sport II)

 

[Sincx]

See it as this:

Comfort tyres are on most cars. Where hard/med/soft can be classed in all round summer tyre, a sporty summer tyre and a pure/extreme summer tyre.

Sport tyres are used for the better sports cars or trackday cars. Still roadlegal be it only just. Few brands out there and some are using harder/softer compound rubber then others so you could devide it in 3 sections in relation to GT5 I guess.
I use Toyo 888's myself guess that would class as a soft sport tyre.

Race tyres are pure slicks and those can be devided in more classes then GT5 does, race tyres for medium wet or full wet conditions have several degradation sto them as well.

I guess by now you get the general idea ?

 

[Denilson]

See it as this:

Comfort tyres are on most cars. Where hard/med/soft can be classed in all round summer tyre, a sporty summer tyre and a pure/extreme summer tyre.

Sport tyres are used for the better sports cars or trackday cars. Still roadlegal be it only just. Few brands out there and some are using harder/softer compound rubber then others so you could devide it in 3 sections in relation to GT5 I guess.
I use Toyo 888's myself guess that would class as a soft sport tyre.

Race tyres are pure slicks and those can be devided in more classes then GT5 does, race tyres for medium wet or full wet conditions have several degradation sto them as well.

I guess by now you get the general idea ?

I agree about TOYO R888 is a Sport Soft... a track-day tyre with tread and road legal.. as the michelin pilot sport cup, or Pirelli P Zero Corsa. However, I would call the other sport tyres (hard, medium) for a type of tyre you have on a new car with pretty much hp.. and if the hp is lower than your averege sport car, the tyres deliverd would be sport hard.. The comfort tyres is for city-cars, such as low hp compact cars.. And the comfort hard would be a tyre that you change the tread on a old tyre.. something like that maybe :-)

 

[chimuel]

P Zero or P Zero Corsa? P Zero Corza is more like the Michelin pilot sport Cup, and P Zero is more like Michelin pilot Sport II or Dunlop Sportmaxx in my book..
The Corsa and Cup tyre is called Semi-slicks cause of the shallow tread.. But still road legal (In Sweden), but the R-tyres are not legal for road use in Swe.

PZero Nero, All Season for daily driving, Corsas when on the track.

 

[dudeeg]

Sorry for the stupid question, but the tires really gets worn down in the game? I mean do I have to change them after a couple of races? I haven't realized this so far, but it is also true until know I haven't played too much. Thanks

 

[Denilson]

Sorry for the stupid question, but the tires really gets worn down in the game? I mean do I have to change them after a couple of races? I haven't realized this so far, but it is also true until know I haven't played too much. Thanks

The tyres gets worn during races.. but you always start a race with "new" tyres..

 

[dudeeg]

Is this wear shown on the bottom left of the screen? Or those 4 tyre symbols are showing the temperature of the tyres?

 

[chimuel]

Is this wear shown on the bottom left of the screen? Or those 4 tyre symbols are showing the temperature of the tyres?

It's shown where the 4 tyre symbols are. I assume you haven't gotten to a high enough level to have tyre wear enabled.

 

[Denilson]

If someone have any input on real life tyres vs. GT5 tyres, feel free to add some info.. Would love some real life manufactors connected to Com/Spo/Rac-tyres. And it would be great if you left a comment on how your taughts are, and why..

 

[raptor72au]

Comfort tyres would be the same kind your run of the mill family cars has from factory, sports tyres would be factory on your.. well sports cars (as well as supercars) and racing tyres... are just that. H/M/S refer to the tyres compound, hard tyres are mostly for long distance or where you want pace over all out speed. Soft has loads of grip, great for high speed timed runs, but they burn up quickly, Medium are a mix of both.
(I work for a car dealer in the parts dept, our dealer also dose tyres and its how i know this due to the boring as bat poo 4hr course)

 

[DaveM-sport]

My opinion on them and obviously everybody has their own ideas.


Comfort tyres:

Hard would be cheap hard wearing **** such as Triangles (worst and most dangerous tyre I ever drove on), Stunner and other brands like that that offer poor grip but long lasting.

Medium would probably be stuff like P6000s (awful tyre), nankangs, Federals etc or any economy tyres but offer reasonable grip.


I reckon Comfort soft would be the more grippy tyres you see on cars with abit more power but still have reasonable economy and wear rates



Sport Hard Tyres

Would be performance road tyres such as Toyo-T1rs, Yokohama Parada, Dunlop SP9000s, Goodyear Eagle F1s


Sport Medium and Sport soft would be heading towards track-day tyres yet road legal such as Toyo R888s, Yokohama A048s, Hankook RS2s etc.

Sports Soft would be the trackday tyres with the lowest threadwear and most grip to the point they are almost slicks but still road-legal


Racing tyres as said are just that and are what they look like and expected in just varying hardness of Racing slicks.

Intermediate and wet racing tyres are are what they say on the tin too.





Those comparisons are going by how much grip certain real cars I know of have with different tyres such as on drift cars and then using whatever tyres in the game that offer the same grip.

Such as in real-life an AE86 would only have enough power to burn cheap stuff with a high thread wear off the back and Toyo-T1rs or similar would be fine on the front or R888s if you needed alot of grip and had more more power

So that would be something like Federal or Nankangs on the back and might use Toyo T1-rs or maybe R888s on the front when you needed alot of speed and decent power for drifting.

Bigger power cars then with 3-500 would need track-day tyres on the front (Sport medium) and maybe decent road tyres on the back (Sport hard)


For trackday cars, you would nearly always see people using R888s and the like all round and this compares well in the game as Sports Medium and Sports soft work well.

 

[Denilson]

My opinion on them and obviously everybody has their own ideas.


Comfort tyres:

Hard would be cheap hard wearing **** such as Triangles (worst and most dangerous tyre I ever drove on), Stunner and other brands like that that offer poor grip but long lasting.

Medium would probably be stuff like P6000s (awful tyre), nankangs, Federals etc or any economy tyres but offer reasonable grip.


I reckon Comfort soft would be the more grippy tyres you see on cars with abit more power but still have reasonable economy and wear rates



Sport Hard Tyres

Would be performance road tyres such as Toyo-T1rs, Yokohama Parada, Dunlop SP9000s, Goodyear Eagle F1s


Sport Medium and Sport soft would be heading towards track-day tyres yet road legal such as Toyo R888s, Yokohama A048s, Hankook RS2s etc.

Sports Soft would be the trackday tyres with the lowest threadwear and most grip to the point they are almost slicks but still road-legal


Racing tyres as said are just that and are what they look like and expected in just varying hardness of Racing slicks.

Intermediate and wet racing tyres are are what they say on the tin too.





Those comparisons are going by how much grip certain real cars I know of have with different tyres such as on drift cars and then using whatever tyres in the game that offer the same grip.

Such as in real-life an AE86 would only have enough power to burn cheap stuff with a high thread wear off the back and Toyo-T1rs or similar would be fine on the front or R888s if you needed alot of grip and had more more power

So that would be something like Federal or Nankangs on the back and might use Toyo T1-rs or maybe R888s on the front when you needed alot of speed and decent power for drifting.

Bigger power cars then with 3-500 would need track-day tyres on the front (Sport medium) and maybe decent road tyres on the back (Sport hard)


For trackday cars, you would nearly always see people using R888s and the like all round and this compares well in the game as Sports Medium and Sports soft work well.

God point. I can't relate to the drifting setups you are refering to. But as a track-day mainiac I hear you about using the same tyre all around.. gets a little freaky if not

But the part where you name the P6000 as a comfort medium.. I agree that it is a piece of **** tyre.. but a comfort medium? Do you now about the Pirelli P7000? its a little bit better than the P6000, so i guess if I put the P7000 in the Sports hard, and the P6000 in the Comfort Soft, I think we have an agreement 👍

And also about the tyres you link to the sport hard (Toyo-T1rs, Yokohama Parada, Dunlop SP9000s, Goodyear Eagle F1s). I would put those alongside the Michelin Pilot Sport II and Dunlop Sportmaxx.. And that would be a Sport Medium tyre if you ask me. Then you have one step between Sports Medium and racing, and that would be the P Zero Corsa, TOYO R888, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup..

Im not trying to trash your standpoint, I just want to get a nice, high quality discusion about it. I think we have something going here 👍

 

[Denilson]

And about the racing tyres, I think that PD mede it a little bit to easy for themselves when devide racing tyres into 3 categories.. In my book it is way more complicated than that.. But I can't complain really. Its a game ffs

 

[Stune]

I ran Dunlop Sportmaxx tires on my real life Alfa Romeo Mito and they were completely worn after 14,000 miles and I don't even drive aggressively. Based on what people say they would be somewhere around the sport hard cagagory, but I don't believe my tires would be anywhere close to what comes with a Merc SLS for example which in the game comes with sport hards so in the game it would probably be shown as comfort soft in my opinion

I think what they tried to do in the game was to give the cars roughly the correct tires, but I don't think its exact. Pretty sure Enzos, Mclaren F1's and such should be running sport softs.

I think F1 cars + X1's should be the only cars running racing soft with most of the classic race cars running racing hard.

 

[Stotty]

Good discussion 👍

The main discussion for me is around 'Sports' tyres.

Looking at the tread pattern graphic in the tuning shop, you would infer that 'sports' tyres are all variations on track day specials of different softness... MPS Cups, Rosso Corsa's, 888's. But I'd say this wasn't the case as supercars are almost undrivable on comfort softs so musy be on some sort of sports tyre.

I'd always thought of sports hards as being the highest quality of road tyre (MPS2's, Conti sport contacts), sports mediums as being road/track day tyres (MPS Cups, Corsas) and sports softs as being semi slicks used in some racing series (Dunlop Drizza's).

I guess it would need some proper testing to see what the relative lap time gaps are.

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyre last about 3-500 miles if you use them in everyday diving. And the Michelin Pilot Sport II last about 1000 miles.. It depends on how you drive offcourse..

I think you'd need to be doing burn-outs at every set of traffic lights or junction to shred tyres that fast.

I have Conti Sport Contact 2's on my 911 and rears (265/35/18) last around 8k miles in everyday driving, fronts last c.20k miles. Talking to other 911 owners with MPS II's, they get similar mileage and 911's are known to be very hard on rear tyres for obvious reasons.

I have Conti Sport Contact 3's on my Mondeo (235/40/18), and although it's not a sports car, it does have >300lb/ft of torque and will spin the fronts in 3rd in a straight line if you're clumsy with the throttle. In the past I've also had MSP 3's on this car too. Front tyres on this car last 30k miles in everyday driving (with my wife driving most of the time).

MPS Cups are standard fitment on the GT3RS, and I'm sure the owners would be pretty pissed if they only lasted 300-500 miles. I'll ask around and find out how long a tyre of that sort typically lasts.

Edit... seems the general consensus is Cups last 3-5k in normal driving... though some are getting as much as 6-7k.

 

[Denilson]

I guess I'm bad at counting miles. In Sweden we use km. So, with that said. I'll try again

My Michelin Pilot Sport II lasted for 7500 km, and my Dunlop Sportmaxx about the same. I did however use them during track-days as well. So that's why they lasted a bit shorter than average I guess. I did use a M3 E46 Comp. Package-05 during 2 years, mostly for fun gatherings and track-days. Guess the tyres tend to wear a bit faster when they are used in that way.

The Michelin Pilot Sport Cup lasts about 3-5000 km depending on how you drive and ofcourse if you use them for track-days.

P.S. Last time I try calculating "km" to "miles" . Know that 1 mph = 1,64 km/h, but from now on I'll use a calculator before posting. Man, I was way off!!!

 

[Cosbuster]

The main problem for me is that the default tyres of many cars seem to be all wrong, giving way too much grip.

 

[Denilson]

I feel it is to little grip.. As an example the Enzo comes with Sport Hard. I guess it is different with different cars.

 

[Stotty]

Default tyres for the Enzo should be sport hard at best... the Enzo doesn't some equipped with semi track day tyres, just the best quality road tyres.

 

[JJ72]

The easiest way to tell is to look at the laterial G figures in a constant radius turn, and sports hard is equivalent to semi slicks IRL, while sport soft is already slicks territory.

racing soft in real life would be those crazy F1 qualifiers that last one and a half laps, which I don't think is used anymore nowadays.

 

[mykem]

Since PD default N3 (Comfort Soft) for Nissan 370Z especially for the time-trial competition, it's safe to say that the tires simulate either the Bridgestone Potenza RE050 or the Yokohama Advan Sport. I believe both are OEM tires for the 370Z.

Personally I wouldn't past Sport Hard (S1) for actual real life performance in any of the super/performance car. Unlike past GT, the amount of traction I'm getting from N3 in GT5 is pretty good and when I do opt for S1, not only am I getting greater traction but also increased feel and weight in the steering (I have the FFB on my G25 set to 10). While the gain in time is quite similar to GT5P (going from N3 to S1)- 2 to 3 seconds for every one minute, the effects is more palpable.

While most race cars come with the default R1 tires, the R2 seems more suited to most Super GT cars, for example. Using R1 on the Nissan GTR GT500 (2008), I'm almost 10 seconds of the pace at Suzuka despite being a pretty decent driver and knowing the track very well. With R2, I'm at least breaking 2 minutes (for reference the GT 500 2008 Qualifying time for the Super GT race at Suzuka is around 1min53sec).

The R1 it seems is closer to the newer "Greener" compound- a good example being the new Pirelli PZero Slick which is quite durable. It's the same tire used by Zonda R when it did the 6min47sec lap on the Nordschleife. Personally, I've yet to use the R3.