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You mean, a two way battle between you and Baron with me choking on your dust, right?
GT6 Duel of the Week 2 - The Last Lap
- Thread starter MisterWaffles
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- Nismonath5
These are SUVs? When I read "Concept Rally SUVs", I immediately thought of the Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car, but then wondered what else would be paired up with it.
As for TT's, I shall ditch incognito this week, I promise ya that!
As for TT's, I shall ditch incognito this week, I promise ya that!
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- Victory_Reign93
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*Clears Throat* Forgetting someone gentleman? 
I might just break out the Subie for this one.
I might just break out the Subie for this one.
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- BaronBlitzRed
Ya huh, riiigghhhtt!!! This coming from the guy who "forgets" to even do the TT's in his own club!!! I damn near had another heart attack after I saw you finally running a time just recently. I almost forgot who you were!!!
#shotsfired
#bringkevlar
Cheers
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- G_ASHER
You did beat me a couple weeks ago in the Lexus!
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- Nismonath5
Ya huh, riiigghhhtt!!! This coming from the guy who "forgets" to even do the TT's in his own club!!! I damn near had another heart attack after I saw you finally running a time just recently. I almost forgot who you were!!!
#shotsfired
#bringkevlar
Cheers
Oh, oh!!! Here we go!
Like all great battles, this one's getting settled on the track... you going down, Blitz Red!
Edit: uhhh... when the event's set up!
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- Ryk_BRM
Odd duel - Road versions of 90's iconic Rally cars... A solid time of iconic cars. Am I biased? Errm not really, I liked the Toyota's back in the 90's The Celica was always cool, great livery, Pop up Headlaps that then turned into quad lamps and sexy curves. The Ford Escort "Cossie" was always up there looking good with its silly rear wing. The IMprezza and Lancer were just co stars, in the back ground ready to take over as the 90's faded away.
*** Round 1 *** Cost ***
GSR - 27,380kazula
WRX - 27,780kazula
400 Kazula saving for the Mistubishi.
*** Round 2 *** Advertised power ***
All is not as equal as you may think... Both cars have 246 honest Japanese Horses, however strang things are afoot once you get to the track...
GSR - 246 - but you actually get 245bhp
WRX - 246 - but you actually get a stonking 266bhp
Tough to judge this, The Impreza has more power but the way it "sneaks" the extra power is pretty dishonest to me. Yes 3 points off the Subaru for cheating! Bit harsh but if you were just picking a couple of cars for a fair race... then discovered one of the cars has almost 10% more power... this is the kind of underhand hijinks that bring shame to the house of Fuji Heavy Industries, I half expect the Impreza to be dressed in White armed witha Tanto about to commit Seppuku to expunge the stain of dishonour upon it's ancestors, But it is just a car, and they don't do that sort of thing anymore. (Health and safety, political correctness, world gone mad...)
*** Round 3 *** Paint Chip ***
GSR - 5 - one of which is, Saint Amor Green - Dark Green goodness!
WRX - 3 - Basic range but no green.
I'm a sucker for a bit of dark green and if I don't have to do it myself I get extra happy.
LanEvo 16(36) - Impreza - 9(25)
*** Round 4 *** Weight ***
GSR - 1240kg 57:43
WRX - 1230kg 54:46
Slightly lighter by 22lbs and a less nose heavy distribution.
LanEvo 8(44) - Impreza - 10(35)
*** Round 5 *** Top Speed at Route X ***
GSR -
1m26.2 top of hill time.
will reach 149mph down the hill and not quite hit its rev limiter.
On flat groud it runs out of puff at143mph
8m05.1 to complete the full lap
WRX -
1m22.5 top of hill time.
149 is its bouncing off the rev limiter top speed
On flat ground the impreza will reach 147mph
7m50.4 full lap
LanEvo 8(52) - Impreza - 10(45)
*** Round 6 *** Wholesome good looks ***
Which is better looking? The Impreza has a much softer rounded plumpness to it. The Lancer is a bit more boxy edgy but with the winning rally car pedigree, both have that tang of victory champagne to the looks. But both are not brute muscle cars that scares traffic wardens when you park up in your local leafy village aside for the goofy rear wings they are almost normal cars.
But which would I pick? The Celica GT Four... Gah now I have that slinky beast in my minds eye these two look like chumps.
LanEvo 9(61) - Impreza - 9(54)
So after 6 rounds the Lancer holds an advantage in my heart, but I already know the Impreza is lighter and more powerful. It also has a Stock advantage to the Lancer in you can modify the torque split of the engine from 35% to 50% to the front wheels - SO maybe you can remove some understeer or make the car a bit more stable... I'll give this gimmick a 2 point bonus as the Lancer isn't fitted with it.
*** Round 7 *** Track stuff ***
Again like a pudding I have already skimmed the thread and know that the Impreza will treat the Lancer like it is the Battle of Nagashino. (Not a great battle if you rode a horse. Like a Lancer.)
And then Ryk never got round to really running the cars. What a dullard he is! Could the Subaru have made up 5 points... I planned to run some triple race championship, which by the sounds of the thread would have been 3 fastest laps, three race wins and the championship to the Fuji Heavy Industries Automobile.
Sorry for not posting - I've let down my country I've let down the colour green.
*** Round 1 *** Cost ***
GSR - 27,380kazula
WRX - 27,780kazula
400 Kazula saving for the Mistubishi.
LanEvo 10 - Impreza - 9
*** Round 2 *** Advertised power ***
All is not as equal as you may think... Both cars have 246 honest Japanese Horses, however strang things are afoot once you get to the track...
GSR - 246 - but you actually get 245bhp
WRX - 246 - but you actually get a stonking 266bhp
Tough to judge this, The Impreza has more power but the way it "sneaks" the extra power is pretty dishonest to me. Yes 3 points off the Subaru for cheating! Bit harsh but if you were just picking a couple of cars for a fair race... then discovered one of the cars has almost 10% more power... this is the kind of underhand hijinks that bring shame to the house of Fuji Heavy Industries, I half expect the Impreza to be dressed in White armed witha Tanto about to commit Seppuku to expunge the stain of dishonour upon it's ancestors, But it is just a car, and they don't do that sort of thing anymore. (Health and safety, political correctness, world gone mad...)
LanEvo 10(20) - Impreza - 10-3 (16)
*** Round 3 *** Paint Chip ***
GSR - 5 - one of which is, Saint Amor Green - Dark Green goodness!
WRX - 3 - Basic range but no green.
I'm a sucker for a bit of dark green and if I don't have to do it myself I get extra happy.
LanEvo 16(36) - Impreza - 9(25)
*** Round 4 *** Weight ***
GSR - 1240kg 57:43
WRX - 1230kg 54:46
Slightly lighter by 22lbs and a less nose heavy distribution.
LanEvo 8(44) - Impreza - 10(35)
*** Round 5 *** Top Speed at Route X ***
GSR -
1m26.2 top of hill time.
will reach 149mph down the hill and not quite hit its rev limiter.
On flat groud it runs out of puff at143mph
8m05.1 to complete the full lap
WRX -
1m22.5 top of hill time.
149 is its bouncing off the rev limiter top speed
On flat ground the impreza will reach 147mph
7m50.4 full lap
LanEvo 8(52) - Impreza - 10(45)
*** Round 6 *** Wholesome good looks ***
Which is better looking? The Impreza has a much softer rounded plumpness to it. The Lancer is a bit more boxy edgy but with the winning rally car pedigree, both have that tang of victory champagne to the looks. But both are not brute muscle cars that scares traffic wardens when you park up in your local leafy village aside for the goofy rear wings they are almost normal cars.
But which would I pick? The Celica GT Four... Gah now I have that slinky beast in my minds eye these two look like chumps.
LanEvo 9(61) - Impreza - 9(54)
So after 6 rounds the Lancer holds an advantage in my heart, but I already know the Impreza is lighter and more powerful. It also has a Stock advantage to the Lancer in you can modify the torque split of the engine from 35% to 50% to the front wheels - SO maybe you can remove some understeer or make the car a bit more stable... I'll give this gimmick a 2 point bonus as the Lancer isn't fitted with it.
LanEvo (61) - Impreza (56)
*** Round 7 *** Track stuff ***
Again like a pudding I have already skimmed the thread and know that the Impreza will treat the Lancer like it is the Battle of Nagashino. (Not a great battle if you rode a horse. Like a Lancer.)
And then Ryk never got round to really running the cars. What a dullard he is! Could the Subaru have made up 5 points... I planned to run some triple race championship, which by the sounds of the thread would have been 3 fastest laps, three race wins and the championship to the Fuji Heavy Industries Automobile.
Sorry for not posting - I've let down my country I've let down the colour green.
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- ThrasherDBS
- ThrasherDBS
Yeah, I won that one by virtue that nobody else cared.
Here's our third Subaru versus Mitsubishi duel. Mitsubishi, if memory serves has not beaten Subaru out of the two times we've already run this. Let's see what happens... in the FUUUUUUTURE!
Deep Forest Trial:
Both cars had a nasty habit of washing out and understeering in corners, but this was especially the case with the Mitsubishi. With that said, it's readily apparent that the Subaru won this battle... again.
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Crouching Sumo, Petrified Skipjack.
Mitsubishi vs. Katsubushi
Just re-watched the GTVision Movies* to these two chunksters. And had a cheeky run in both. and put in times identical on my first outing. 2m35 at Big Cape Ring in dream car traffic. More testing over the weekend!
A svelte and slinky Mitsubishi VR-PHEV Evolution, Yesterday
*(No, I didn't write the screenplay for Subaru,)
Mitsubishi vs. Katsubushi
Just re-watched the GTVision Movies* to these two chunksters. And had a cheeky run in both. and put in times identical on my first outing. 2m35 at Big Cape Ring in dream car traffic. More testing over the weekend!
A svelte and slinky Mitsubishi VR-PHEV Evolution, Yesterday
*(No, I didn't write the screenplay for Subaru,)
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- BaronBlitzRed
VGT = Visions of a Grand Tomorrow...
Personally, I've always liked concept cars... they're glimpses into the possibilities of the future. This week's duel showcases an ongoing battle that will just continue on as it has been for quite some time! And not just "dirty" fighting on rally courses, but in the streets as well.
I started off with the "Superu"... the nickname I gave it right from the get go. As soon as I drove it, I was impressed. Winning a free one sweetened the deal even more. I chose the "Ultimate Metallic Special" colour as it adds to the sharpness of the overall package. Standing at 611 pp., it lists 651 hp., with 380 ft-lbs of torque from a 2 litre 4 banger that takes the 1,380 kg body up to speed. It looks like it means business, and it certainly handles well enough to boot. My favourite Subaru of the lineup managed a 1:18.570 lap around Deep Forest with yours truly at the helm. Not bad, especially since Vic was only just over a second faster. 
Last but not least, the Mitsubishi Concept XR-PHEV EVOLUTION Vision Gran Turismo. Quite the mouthful eh? For some strange reason, my original just doesn't get into non tuning events anymore. So this white one is the second one I've owned, but the first I actually paid for. Measuring out at 617 pp. after the standard oil change, the 1,350 kilo body gets pushed around by a 3 litre V6 that pumps out 528 ponies, a far cry from the Subie. Where it really stands out though, is the monstrous torque figure... 786 ft-lbs of it!!! This was the difference maker. I also like the looks of it, fairly aggressive styling adds to the overall appeal in my mind. It's handling was impressive as well, even on the reduced SH rubber... surprisingly, it grabbed a 1:18.071 result in my hands. A bit better than a half second faster, even with the lower hamster numbers it suffered from.
To be honest, I was stunned at the result. I would've put money down on my Superu... but I just can't argue with the facts. Or the 10 year warranty. So with that, I'm going with the Mitsubishi as this duel's winner!
Cheers
Personally, I've always liked concept cars... they're glimpses into the possibilities of the future. This week's duel showcases an ongoing battle that will just continue on as it has been for quite some time! And not just "dirty" fighting on rally courses, but in the streets as well.
I started off with the "Superu"... the nickname I gave it right from the get go. As soon as I drove it, I was impressed. Winning a free one sweetened the deal even more.
I chose the "Ultimate Metallic Special" colour as it adds to the sharpness of the overall package. Standing at 611 pp., it lists 651 hp., with 380 ft-lbs of torque from a 2 litre 4 banger that takes the 1,380 kg body up to speed. It looks like it means business, and it certainly handles well enough to boot. My favourite Subaru of the lineup managed a 1:18.570 lap around Deep Forest with yours truly at the helm. Not bad, especially since Vic was only just over a second faster. Last but not least, the Mitsubishi Concept XR-PHEV EVOLUTION Vision Gran Turismo. Quite the mouthful eh? For some strange reason, my original just doesn't get into non tuning events anymore. So this white one is the second one I've owned, but the first I actually paid for. Measuring out at 617 pp. after the standard oil change, the 1,350 kilo body gets pushed around by a 3 litre V6 that pumps out 528 ponies, a far cry from the Subie. Where it really stands out though, is the monstrous torque figure... 786 ft-lbs of it!!! This was the difference maker. I also like the looks of it, fairly aggressive styling adds to the overall appeal in my mind. It's handling was impressive as well, even on the reduced SH rubber... surprisingly, it grabbed a 1:18.071 result in my hands. A bit better than a half second faster, even with the lower hamster numbers it suffered from.
To be honest, I was stunned at the result. I would've put money down on my Superu... but I just can't argue with the facts. Or the 10 year warranty.
So with that, I'm going with the Mitsubishi as this duel's winner!Cheers
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Mitsubishi XR-PHEV vs Subaru VIZIV GT
"Crouching Sumo, Petrified Skipjack"
XR-PHEV vs. VIZIVGT (Wow, these are some tough Scrabble letters...)
Interesting pair.
When they came out the VGT crowd at GTPlanet was pretty nasty towards the Mitsubishi, it being just a retread of an older Concept car and the car wasn't as special as other cars that came out at the time. The Subaru was slightly better recieved when it was released, but I kind of zoned out with the hypnotic child pacificying side lamps... dribble.
Mitsubishi XR-PHEV
The styling cue is a crouching athlete ready to leap up. BUT the car looks so chunky and meaty it looks less like a graceful gymnast and more of a Sumatori, stomping about throwing handfuls of salt ready to explode into action. Very wide car, with flaired wheel arches, infact it remends me more of a old 1930's american car that has been turned into a modern day hot rod. It has bold lines, big goofy rear wing. Styling is strong and bold. A let down could be it only has 3 colour options. But Diamond Red is a go to chip if you want a vibrant bright red metallic.
Subaru Viziv GT
This is a car that looks strong but always reminds me of a Ford from the front, Just the blue Oval badge and a sort of New Mustang "open gob" grill. But it has great lines, more on the solid than the dynamic side of the seesaw. It too, has a rear wing but has a funky mushroom T wing for maximum sneaky regulation flexing at high speeds! It does have more colour options but none are as perfect as Sumo Boy's Diamond Red. Subaru did a callback with WR Blue Mica, but then didn't match it with some gold wheels.
The Mitsubishi is much easier car to understand, 3 litre turbo fourwheel drive, 50:50 weight. understeer on demand whenever you put the throttle down... BUT in fast corners it does have a nice level of grip and rotates quite well for a fat girl.
The Subaru is a filthy Hybrid...so has way more power and torque than the 2 litre flat four engine would let you beleive especially from the engine note, which is a bit jokey for such a beefy sleek car... but it has batteries and 4 seperate electric motors for each wheel, but it really needed a thick deep powerful engine note to complment its long prow Gran Tourer look.
The Mitsubishi is equaly as dodgy in the powerplant area, "Oh look at me with 100 torques"... read the small print of the power and torque curves, you only get Bongo level Torque way down deep in the revband... but the 13 speed gearbox forces you to run at high revs... when the torque is along way from being at that level.
Lets Talk Torque Vectoring... This is a gizmo that will fire up and help the Subaru turn in corners... and at first it will feel like the car is out of synch (Bad driver always blames his car) but you need to chuck the car about and find the sweetspot and adjust how you drive to anticipate the way the car will "help you out" in corners. Much as the FT-1 has Brakes with "bags of character" (Ryk means they are pretty woeful and force a driver to step up his game)
The way the car will ... eventually assist in a corner by some electronic dark magic of feeding more power to the outside wheels. Once you do hook it all up then times should tumble. But initially it felt like the car had some psychohosebeast in the passenger seat grabbing the steering wheel and giving it a tug to try to cause a crash.
I think the Subaru has more potential - to go fast - if you can tame the crazy lady in the passenger seat from messing with the steering then you should win out.
But which car would I choose... Not sure - I'll edit it in later!
The time is now... The Mitsubishi is fine, consistent and I really like the unique paint chip. The Subaru has a slight edge in performance once you get your head in how the car will wobble and sway in long slow medium corners... before then you will bleed lost potential time either in hesitations or creaming the car into the barriers when it does/doesn't choose to assist in the steering as you expected.
Tough choice as I had forgotten what a clingy nut job the Viziv was in corners, it was tough for me to realise the car was trying to help.
The XR-Phev is fine consistent but I kind of enjoyed the delusional pathological flaky steering of the Viziv after 20 or so miles of enduring it.
The Viziv GT chooses Ryk. (You know the Subaru has a shrine dedicated to me in the garage, all photos, insane poems and candles and not at all creepy. Don't look at her in the eyes...)
Viziv GT knows where you live...
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Okay, let's see how these two jacked-up performance vehicles did on our trial last week...
The Mitsubishi again was the slower of the two, it felt more understeery too. It may be more consistent but it's slower and less rewarding as a result. The Subaru is slightly unpredictable but it's performance all-around makes up for that. Not to mention the Subaru has some interesting livery options and one of the best sound files on GT6. Visually, the Mitsubishi is larger and looks like a giant derp. The Subaru is smaller and looks more like a production model. But the Mitsubishi is easily faster with less preparation time, so it wins my vote for being much less fussy and easier to handle in the corners.
Let's count up your votes...
Subaru: 2
Mitsubishi: 2
Looks like sudden death is upon us. Grand Valley Speedway on stock tires with no TC and 1 ABS...
Subaru: 1:54.567
Mitsubishi: 1:53.399
The Mitsubishi is more consistent over a one-lap trial, so it wins the sudden death.
The winner therefore, this week is the...
...Mitsubishi XR-PHEV Vision Gran Turismo!
Congratulations to @Vic Reign93 for setting the best times in both SUVs this week. Also good job to @Draggon for beating this week's Goodyear Mountain trial with the Monster Sport SX4 Pikes Peaks Rally Car!
Let's see what other rally-inspired duel awaits next time!
The Mitsubishi again was the slower of the two, it felt more understeery too. It may be more consistent but it's slower and less rewarding as a result. The Subaru is slightly unpredictable but it's performance all-around makes up for that. Not to mention the Subaru has some interesting livery options and one of the best sound files on GT6. Visually, the Mitsubishi is larger and looks like a giant derp. The Subaru is smaller and looks more like a production model. But the Mitsubishi is easily faster with less preparation time, so it wins my vote for being much less fussy and easier to handle in the corners.
Let's count up your votes...
Subaru: 2
Mitsubishi: 2
Looks like sudden death is upon us. Grand Valley Speedway on stock tires with no TC and 1 ABS...
Subaru: 1:54.567
Mitsubishi: 1:53.399
The Mitsubishi is more consistent over a one-lap trial, so it wins the sudden death.
The winner therefore, this week is the...
...Mitsubishi XR-PHEV Vision Gran Turismo!
Congratulations to @Vic Reign93 for setting the best times in both SUVs this week. Also good job to @Draggon for beating this week's Goodyear Mountain trial with the Monster Sport SX4 Pikes Peaks Rally Car!
Let's see what other rally-inspired duel awaits next time!
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GT6 Duel of the Week #108: Delta S4 vs Audi Quattro!
The title of this week's duel is pretty straight-forward. We have with us two iconic machines from the Group B era of rallying. With the dawn of Group B came exotic machinery based on ordinary hatchbacks. Designed with monstrous engines and minimal safety features in favour of low weight. Experience the sheer terror of primitive four-wheel drive and insane aero work. This week we have the two cars featured in the title!
the Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car '85...
The title of this week's duel is pretty straight-forward. We have with us two iconic machines from the Group B era of rallying. With the dawn of Group B came exotic machinery based on ordinary hatchbacks. Designed with monstrous engines and minimal safety features in favour of low weight. Experience the sheer terror of primitive four-wheel drive and insane aero work. This week we have the two cars featured in the title!
the Lancia Delta S4 Rally Car '85...
...against the Audi Sport Quattro Rally Car '86.
This week's trial will be held at Toscana for the rallying aspect, that's right, we're changing up the road surface this week! Get your rallying tires on and head to the dirt for some slippery action. A change in driving style might be necessary. See you on the dirt for sure!
Also, a trial open to GT1-style cars only will be held at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca just like last week's Goodyear Mountain trial! I should start adding incentives for this stuff! Maybe next time.
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Just saw my pal @Baron Blitz Red doing the LM GT1 event and found you don't use SRF nor assisted steering. Sweet! Lest time I remember, the duel club allowed both of those and I don't like how they transform the way cars and controls work.
LM GT1 vehicles are crazy, crazy beasts. I ran an event with the key models available in GT6 at 660pp on RH tyres. Wow. Much horses. So adrenaline.
Worth your regs of 600bhp and 1100kg they are still a handful. It must takes the serrated hunting knife edge off them. 👍
LM GT1 vehicles are crazy, crazy beasts. I ran an event with the key models available in GT6 at 660pp on RH tyres. Wow. Much horses. So adrenaline.
Worth your regs of 600bhp and 1100kg they are still a handful. It must takes the serrated hunting knife edge off them. 👍
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Ahhh Group B. Motorsport craziness incarnate.
It's interesting that we're doing a dirt trial, but for the most part, I feel as though it might skew my typical results than if we did this on a tarmac track since the races in GT6 are overwhelmingly on tarmac. Anyway, we have some legends harkening from the days of big ol' turbos, enough backfires to sound like Compton on a Friday night, and messy wrecks. The Audi Quattro wound up winning titles in the early 80s and the Lancia was a fierce contender in its own right. How do they stack up though?
Toscana Trial:
Lancia S4 - 1:47.204
Audi S1 - 1:42.569
So it's a landslide for the 5-cylinder wonder. The Audi feels a lot more maneuverable, as opposed to the Lancia which washed out in corners. (Which, okay, yeah we are running on a low traction surface but still.) The Lancia felt a little numb, and didn't exactly capitalize on the power generated by the turbo. The Audi's turbo spooled up early and facilitated very quick acceleration out of corners and it's no wonder that it topped the car that would unfortunately cause the death of Group B rallying as a whole because it wound up making its driver and co-driver extra crispy after a wreck.
The Audi wins.
It's interesting that we're doing a dirt trial, but for the most part, I feel as though it might skew my typical results than if we did this on a tarmac track since the races in GT6 are overwhelmingly on tarmac. Anyway, we have some legends harkening from the days of big ol' turbos, enough backfires to sound like Compton on a Friday night, and messy wrecks. The Audi Quattro wound up winning titles in the early 80s and the Lancia was a fierce contender in its own right. How do they stack up though?
Toscana Trial:
Lancia S4 - 1:47.204
Audi S1 - 1:42.569
So it's a landslide for the 5-cylinder wonder. The Audi feels a lot more maneuverable, as opposed to the Lancia which washed out in corners. (Which, okay, yeah we are running on a low traction surface but still.) The Lancia felt a little numb, and didn't exactly capitalize on the power generated by the turbo. The Audi's turbo spooled up early and facilitated very quick acceleration out of corners and it's no wonder that it topped the car that would unfortunately cause the death of Group B rallying as a whole because it wound up making its driver and co-driver extra crispy after a wreck.
The Audi wins.
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Wow Audi held the global patent for the ugly stick in the 80's -
Audi Quattro vs. Lancia Delta S4
Now - Firstly I was never a fan of the Audi - 5 cylinders/ 10 cylinders - WAY too metric for me and they sound like an engine that is about to die and is crying its soul out through the outlet manifold. (I've tried to research why a bank of 5 cylinders sound as rough as a (Essex Girl/Florida Girl/insert your own horror show here)
4 cylinders in a bank - Nice, Bang them together in a V8 or a Flat 8 maybe you get creative and have a triple bank W12 or you could go full banana and have a H16 with 4 banks of Four cylinders and two cranks shafts all geared together - what could go wrong?
Or you can have a bank of six: Straight 6 just like a pucker Jag - or gear two banks together for a V12 - Great.
And why not have a Straight 8 - that would be a "Dusy" or you can get get full English and have a V16 with two banks of 8 cylinders - maybe put in a supercharger... BRM managed to get 612bhp from a 1.5litre V16 way way back in the 50's - occasionally, when it would work, from time to time...
Okat I got a bit off track - anyhow a Straight 5 or a V10 will always sound wrong - Like Shoji Tabuchi singing a Cowboy Song. (Wow that is obscure even for me!)
Also the Audi looks like a Forklift truck... I am sure it has a few nice bits (Door handles, maybe the door mirror) but the blocky slabby lack of finese makes me cringe. And can you ever excuse Audi for the KKK logo?
Not a Ku Klux Klan Logo, yesterday.
So I don't like the Engine or the way the Audi looks... anything else?
Yup the placement of that straight five engine is way way out the front... All that weight makes for so much natural understeer I am amazed the front wheels do anything. BUT it does have a short wheelbase (Front and rear axels are close to each other, just like a fork lift truck.) so could rotate quicker.
The Lancia - now The Delta is nice, but I was a fan of the previous car the "037" - a meat and tayto's mid engined/rear wheel drive car, none of this four wheel drive, girly stuff - The Delta is a step down but it is way, way better than the Audi before I turn a wheel.
Engine - It's going to be solid Italian steel and will it be lumbering over the front axel? Nope, slapped in the back, gifting the car oversteer and swift corner rotation I hope. It will be much harder to control (Much more fun to drive) - but ... Yes the slap of reality now, the 80's era Rally cars were super fast and very fragile - Normal public roads with maybe a few straw bales or a bit of hazard tape is all well and good when you are sighting a blind corner at 90 mph, but if you make a mistake then you are going straight to the accident - maybe you will get lucky and hit a farm gate and plough through a turnip field, maybe you tumble off a cliff or slam into a 50 year old tree.
I've only run the Audi so far - and after my previous tirade it does get worse as the engine sounds like pig-vomit, even without the misfiring.
I've got to run the Lancia - but it has to win, doesn't it?
Did some more flying.
Light nimble just the job. But it wasn't all sweet sailing. the gearbox only has 5 gears, which despite the supercharger can leave you in a high gear and a low speed and unable to put down any of the Lancia's mighty 1759cc engine - the Audi has 383cc more which is like half a pint!
I also had a little look in the set up area (Mostly as I had to buy chunky tread off road tyres for them - 5,000 kazula - what a bargain! The Audi has an extra gear which can help if the engine has a narrow power band. The thing that did surprise me was the 50:50 weight distribution on the Audi and the torque split which boggled my tiny mind when I saw the Audi sent 65% of its power to the rear wheels, and the Lancia only sent 60%.
But the big two factors in these two are the weight of the Lancia - it is 200kg - 440lbs, and where that weight is, the Lancia has a 43:57 weight distribution making the back end interesting when it does break traction... For me This is a winner, counter steering opposite lock balancing the car in a cloud of smoke... and get the cherry on the top? The Lancia has a proper Italian style chirpy Beep-Beep horn.
The Audi is a capable car, safe, ponderous, awkward to pilot. The Lancia was light demanding you to dance through the apexes thinking two corners ahead as you slice through apexes like Pizza Cutter (???)
I did note down my best laps on a test track - the Lancia was a cool 3 seconds faster - probably down with my affinity to touchy oversteering cars. But to be honest if the Audi was 3 seconds faster - I'd still pick the Delta...
Diamond Medallion status does have a few perks...
Audi Quattro vs. Lancia Delta S4
Now - Firstly I was never a fan of the Audi - 5 cylinders/ 10 cylinders - WAY too metric for me and they sound like an engine that is about to die and is crying its soul out through the outlet manifold. (I've tried to research why a bank of 5 cylinders sound as rough as a (Essex Girl/Florida Girl/insert your own horror show here)
4 cylinders in a bank - Nice, Bang them together in a V8 or a Flat 8 maybe you get creative and have a triple bank W12 or you could go full banana and have a H16 with 4 banks of Four cylinders and two cranks shafts all geared together - what could go wrong?
Or you can have a bank of six: Straight 6 just like a pucker Jag - or gear two banks together for a V12 - Great.
And why not have a Straight 8 - that would be a "Dusy" or you can get get full English and have a V16 with two banks of 8 cylinders - maybe put in a supercharger... BRM managed to get 612bhp from a 1.5litre V16 way way back in the 50's - occasionally, when it would work, from time to time...
Okat I got a bit off track - anyhow a Straight 5 or a V10 will always sound wrong - Like Shoji Tabuchi singing a Cowboy Song. (Wow that is obscure even for me!)
Also the Audi looks like a Forklift truck... I am sure it has a few nice bits (Door handles, maybe the door mirror) but the blocky slabby lack of finese makes me cringe. And can you ever excuse Audi for the KKK logo?
Not a Ku Klux Klan Logo, yesterday.
So I don't like the Engine or the way the Audi looks... anything else?
Yup the placement of that straight five engine is way way out the front... All that weight makes for so much natural understeer I am amazed the front wheels do anything. BUT it does have a short wheelbase (Front and rear axels are close to each other, just like a fork lift truck.) so could rotate quicker.
The Lancia - now The Delta is nice, but I was a fan of the previous car the "037" - a meat and tayto's mid engined/rear wheel drive car, none of this four wheel drive, girly stuff - The Delta is a step down but it is way, way better than the Audi before I turn a wheel.
Engine - It's going to be solid Italian steel and will it be lumbering over the front axel? Nope, slapped in the back, gifting the car oversteer and swift corner rotation I hope. It will be much harder to control (Much more fun to drive) - but ... Yes the slap of reality now, the 80's era Rally cars were super fast and very fragile - Normal public roads with maybe a few straw bales or a bit of hazard tape is all well and good when you are sighting a blind corner at 90 mph, but if you make a mistake then you are going straight to the accident - maybe you will get lucky and hit a farm gate and plough through a turnip field, maybe you tumble off a cliff or slam into a 50 year old tree.
I've only run the Audi so far - and after my previous tirade it does get worse as the engine sounds like pig-vomit, even without the misfiring.
I've got to run the Lancia - but it has to win, doesn't it?
Did some more flying.
Light nimble just the job. But it wasn't all sweet sailing. the gearbox only has 5 gears, which despite the supercharger can leave you in a high gear and a low speed and unable to put down any of the Lancia's mighty 1759cc engine - the Audi has 383cc more which is like half a pint!
I also had a little look in the set up area (Mostly as I had to buy chunky tread off road tyres for them - 5,000 kazula - what a bargain! The Audi has an extra gear which can help if the engine has a narrow power band. The thing that did surprise me was the 50:50 weight distribution on the Audi and the torque split which boggled my tiny mind when I saw the Audi sent 65% of its power to the rear wheels, and the Lancia only sent 60%.
But the big two factors in these two are the weight of the Lancia - it is 200kg - 440lbs, and where that weight is, the Lancia has a 43:57 weight distribution making the back end interesting when it does break traction... For me This is a winner, counter steering opposite lock balancing the car in a cloud of smoke... and get the cherry on the top? The Lancia has a proper Italian style chirpy Beep-Beep horn.
The Audi is a capable car, safe, ponderous, awkward to pilot. The Lancia was light demanding you to dance through the apexes thinking two corners ahead as you slice through apexes like Pizza Cutter (???)
I did note down my best laps on a test track - the Lancia was a cool 3 seconds faster - probably down with my affinity to touchy oversteering cars. But to be honest if the Audi was 3 seconds faster - I'd still pick the Delta...
Diamond Medallion status does have a few perks...
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Rally Duel...
Well, simply put... the Audi is my go to weapon of choice in this area of the racing world. Armed with a Triple K turbocharger (yes @Ryk , I'm looking at you) this WORLD famous car held numerous WORLD records, including multiple records at the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. It was a technological marvel at the time, where most cars simply failed to keep up to it's dust, let alone the car itself.
As for the Delta, well the ancient Greek alphabet describes it perfectly... Alpha, Beta, Gamma, THEN Delta! The first 3 simply laugh at it from up high on the podium. As for ugly... well the designer was some Italian child who drew the Hunchback of Notre Dame and put wheels on it!!! 'Nuff Said!!!
(mic drop)
AUDI for the win!!! EVERY TIME!!!
Cheers
Well, simply put... the Audi is my go to weapon of choice in this area of the racing world. Armed with a Triple K turbocharger (yes @Ryk , I'm looking at you
) this WORLD famous car held numerous WORLD records, including multiple records at the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. It was a technological marvel at the time, where most cars simply failed to keep up to it's dust, let alone the car itself.As for the Delta, well the ancient Greek alphabet describes it perfectly... Alpha, Beta, Gamma, THEN Delta! The first 3 simply laugh at it from up high on the podium. As for ugly... well the designer was some Italian child who drew the Hunchback of Notre Dame and put wheels on it!!! 'Nuff Said!!!
(mic drop)
AUDI for the win!!! EVERY TIME!!!
Cheers
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Alright, this week we had some offroad fun in Toscana with two Group B rally cars from the heyday of the era. Before these monsters were banned, they were quite the fearsome rides with crazy turbos and four wheel drive technology. Some were famously described as "Formula One Cars in a box".
The Audi Sport Quattro rally car is easily faster around the track with its faster turbos. It gets the power down much more efficiently than the Lancia, making it the easy choice for any would-be rally racers here. It also looks quite spectacular with the iconic wing and front aero. Overall, it is the more competitive car.
The Lancia would be for the gamers who prefer style over their performance. Sporting the iconic livery of Martini, it certainly looks stunning wherever it drives. The rear aero is also a lot less mental, it looks actually quite simple. Certainly the slower car as it takes longer to spool up.
Overall, for simple competitiveness, I'd side with Audi, but for photo ops, gotta shoot the Lancia.
Let's see what you have to say...
Lancia 1
Audi 3
Looks like this week is quite the decisive win for Audi's rallying team, so the winner is the..
...Audi Sport Quattro Rally Car
The Audi Sport Quattro rally car is easily faster around the track with its faster turbos. It gets the power down much more efficiently than the Lancia, making it the easy choice for any would-be rally racers here. It also looks quite spectacular with the iconic wing and front aero. Overall, it is the more competitive car.
The Lancia would be for the gamers who prefer style over their performance. Sporting the iconic livery of Martini, it certainly looks stunning wherever it drives. The rear aero is also a lot less mental, it looks actually quite simple. Certainly the slower car as it takes longer to spool up.
Overall, for simple competitiveness, I'd side with Audi, but for photo ops, gotta shoot the Lancia.
Let's see what you have to say...
Lancia 1
Audi 3
Looks like this week is quite the decisive win for Audi's rallying team, so the winner is the..
...Audi Sport Quattro Rally Car
This week has @ThrasherDBS taking the crown in the Group B category at Toscana. Good job setting the fastest laps in both times, I'm sure his co-driver did all the work though. 
Also, our romp with the GT1 category saw many entries attempting to become the fastest around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The corkscrew proved tricky, but the overall fastest time out of our event was @Baron Blitz Red with the Nissan R390 GT1 race car! What will the special trial be next week? find out in a few hours!
Also, our romp with the GT1 category saw many entries attempting to become the fastest around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. The corkscrew proved tricky, but the overall fastest time out of our event was @Baron Blitz Red with the Nissan R390 GT1 race car! What will the special trial be next week? find out in a few hours!
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That's where you're both wrong.
We're taking an actual venomous snake from the viperae familiy and testing its speed against a small warship.
We're taking an actual venomous snake from the viperae familiy and testing its speed against a small warship.
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This week's time trial will be interesting in that case!
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Week 109: Viper vs Vette!
This week returns us to a classic American conflict that has shaped the foundation of two opposing sides of a great war... No! Not the Civil War and certainly not the Union or Confederacy, we're talking about a much more important battle in the eyes of the car enthusiast breed. A tale as old as the 50s, the Chevrolet corvette has defined American sports cars for half a century. A long nose, short rear deck and a rumbling V8 worthy of Daytona or Carroll Shelby. But then, the Chrysler corporation sought out to challenge that throne in the 90s with a growling V10 and huge rear tires. The result was the Dodge/SRT Viper, a bright red exotic machine that was faster and meaner than the Corvette. Fast-forward to 2009, Chevrolet releases the mighty ZR-1 variant of the C6, which far out-powered and out-preformed the then-current viper. Chrysler sought to get back at Chevrolet, so they formed SRT as a separate company. SRT developed the next-generation Viper GTS with performance in the ball park of the ZR1, so the battle continued. Let's see how this battle pans out within a digital environment.
Welcoming the...
... Chevrolet Corvette (C6) ZR1
and the
... SRT Viper GTS
The time trial this week will take place onIndianapolis Motor Speedway's Autumn Ring's long course. Familiarize yourself with the 90-degree turns and figure-of-eight layout. This might prove to be a close battle!
As for our special trial this week...
GT3 at Suzuka in the rain!
Choose from a variety of GT3 cars, put on your intermediate tires, and set the best time possible in your racing-converted street car of choice.
This week returns us to a classic American conflict that has shaped the foundation of two opposing sides of a great war... No! Not the Civil War and certainly not the Union or Confederacy, we're talking about a much more important battle in the eyes of the car enthusiast breed. A tale as old as the 50s, the Chevrolet corvette has defined American sports cars for half a century. A long nose, short rear deck and a rumbling V8 worthy of Daytona or Carroll Shelby. But then, the Chrysler corporation sought out to challenge that throne in the 90s with a growling V10 and huge rear tires. The result was the Dodge/SRT Viper, a bright red exotic machine that was faster and meaner than the Corvette. Fast-forward to 2009, Chevrolet releases the mighty ZR-1 variant of the C6, which far out-powered and out-preformed the then-current viper. Chrysler sought to get back at Chevrolet, so they formed SRT as a separate company. SRT developed the next-generation Viper GTS with performance in the ball park of the ZR1, so the battle continued. Let's see how this battle pans out within a digital environment.
Welcoming the...
... Chevrolet Corvette (C6) ZR1
and the
... SRT Viper GTS
The time trial this week will take place on
As for our special trial this week...
GT3 at Suzuka in the rain!
Choose from a variety of GT3 cars, put on your intermediate tires, and set the best time possible in your racing-converted street car of choice.
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So just a friendly question since I work a whole bunch between now and next week, are the trials going to be up by Sunday?
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I've been busy earlier this week but I'm free this morning so I'll go and do that now.
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Though my pick is not too hard to guess, I honestly wouldn't have guessed that it would be so fun to drive the Viper around such a technical track. It had just the right amount of oversteer while looking and sounding awesome, plus racing stripes. My vote goes to the Viper.
By the way, I'm perfectly fine with this not being at Indy road course.
By the way, I'm perfectly fine with this not being at Indy road course.
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Well, somethings wonky. I can make a room for the duel, it accepts my entry, then the screen just sits there and does nothing. Can't got to the track for practice nor start the time trial. It's done it several times over two days now. It's not me ( I don't think ) as I have no troubles elsewhere online.
I'll give the GT1 TT a go and see what happens.
Weird.
I'll give the GT1 TT a go and see what happens.
Weird.
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The modern American rivalry goes strong between these two hot supercars. Big throaty engines, masochistic rear tires, and delicious sounding exhausts. Let's see how America's sports car stacks up against the most recent version of what was actually supposed to be the spiritual successor to the Shelby Cobra.
Autumn Ring Trial:
Corvette ZR1 - 1:23.264
Viper GTS - 1:23.885
Saying it right now, I prefer the Viper a million times over the Corvette. The Corvette suffers from wayyy too much understeer into corners, and if you breathe on the gas pedal, it immediately assumes that you want to go the same way you just came and tries to spin around. The Viper on the other hand is an absolute joy to drive, being nice and responsive, but it only bites you when you're being way toostupid bold with the gas and the corners. Much like the Shelby Cobra, this is a car I'd happily drive around just to enjoy driving it around.
But this is a duel where I figure out which one is faster, and even though I felt like a freaking driving maestro with the Viper, the dumb unrefined Corvette is the one that wound up faster, but I'll be damned if the Viper didn't put up a good fight.
So in the end, the small, hard-to-steer warship was faster than a maneuverable, land-based venomous serpent. Who knew.
Autumn Ring Trial:
Corvette ZR1 - 1:23.264
Viper GTS - 1:23.885
Saying it right now, I prefer the Viper a million times over the Corvette. The Corvette suffers from wayyy too much understeer into corners, and if you breathe on the gas pedal, it immediately assumes that you want to go the same way you just came and tries to spin around. The Viper on the other hand is an absolute joy to drive, being nice and responsive, but it only bites you when you're being way too
But this is a duel where I figure out which one is faster, and even though I felt like a freaking driving maestro with the Viper, the dumb unrefined Corvette is the one that wound up faster, but I'll be damned if the Viper didn't put up a good fight.
So in the end, the small, hard-to-steer warship was faster than a maneuverable, land-based venomous serpent. Who knew.
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Well in my hands, the TT went like this...
SRT Viper GTS 2013: 1:22.888
Corvette C6 ZR1 2009: 1:22.823
With less than a tenth of a second difference, the winner will be picked by some other things besides time... my hatred for the Corvette in general borders on prejudice, which could be the reason why my ZR1 was still a virgin before this duel. After running it, I see no reason to change my mind about them either. The Viper had better braking, better turning characteristics, and overall is just a better looking car. How the ZR1 snuck by with a slightly faster time is beyond me. The stats between the two cars are minimal, but my feelings are not... I wouldn't piss on the Vette if it was on fire. I'd be trying to find marshmallows.
The Viper wins!!!
Cheers
SRT Viper GTS 2013: 1:22.888
Corvette C6 ZR1 2009: 1:22.823
With less than a tenth of a second difference, the winner will be picked by some other things besides time... my hatred for the Corvette in general borders on prejudice, which could be the reason why my ZR1 was still a virgin before this duel. After running it, I see no reason to change my mind about them either. The Viper had better braking, better turning characteristics, and overall is just a better looking car. How the ZR1 snuck by with a slightly faster time is beyond me. The stats between the two cars are minimal, but my feelings are not... I wouldn't piss on the Vette if it was on fire. I'd be trying to find marshmallows.
The Viper wins!!!
Cheers
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