GT6 LMP1 cars

[dr_slump]

Actually the Toyota TS30 already beat it three times.
6 hours of Interlagos
6 hours of Fuji
6 hours of Shangai.

Well, he said can't!

 

[Samus]

Race cars can be tricky due to very specific licenses.

For example, there is simply no way GT6 is going to the 2010 and 2011 NASCAR cars in it, due the the differences in sponsor licenses and car design. NASCAR isn't going to want older cars in the game because they're hell bent on pushing the 2013 cars to no end. The other race cars probably have similar issues, which is why I think that whole "every car from GT5" thing must actually mean every street car from GT5.

I don't see why that would be an issue, most race cars in GT5 were not the current year models. If they meant "every street car" they would have said that.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Actually the Toyota TS30 already beat it three times.
6 hours of Interlagos
6 hours of Fuji
6 hours of Shangai.

Nuh Audi just had mechanical problems those three times

 

[APXCaramel]

I assume not since both Forza and iRacing have the license. It's just a matter of Sony buying the rights

Since NFS and FM4 have Porsche, its only a matter of time until Porsche is here (15 years and counting). See what I'm saying?

Also, the people who make the "NASCAR Inside Line" IIRC has the current rights to the Gen6 car (other than iRacing) and IIRC Codemasters has FIA rights

 

[Samus]

Since NFS and FM4 have Porsche, its only a matter of time until Porsche is here (15 years and counting). See what I'm saying?

Also, the people who make the "NASCAR Inside Line" IIRC has the current rights to the Gen6 car (other than iRacing) and IIRC Codemasters has FIA rights

That's the difference between an exclusive license and...well....not. Porsche is an exclusive license agreement with EA meaning nobody else can call up Porsche and ask for a license. As far as we know ALMS is not an exclusive deal so anyone can call them up and ask for a license.

 

[APXCaramel]

Yeah, ALMS does.

according to Scott Atherton on twitter (who kinda sorta runs the ALMS), the Turn 10 exclusive contract for the ALMS and the iRacing exclusive contract for Grand-Am are both now void (thanks in no small part to both series being technically gone forever and the new series being technically an entirely new entity), but both will likely stay exclusive partners with the new series when the new contracts are drawn up: PC exclusivity for iRacing, console exclusivity for Forza. again, none of this is final (negotiations are probably six months out), but it's a good hint of what to expect in the future.

 

[RACECAR]

That's just great

 

[Scuderia Paul]

I would take the WEC over the ALMS any day. It has the very best contemporary LMP cars in the Toyota TS030-HYBRID and Audi R18 e-tron quattro. Besides we have some of the WEC circuits already so we are closer!

I would like to get Sebring as I have never tried it in a game. Actually, ALMS has some decent circuits plus the horribly dull Laguna Seca - Corkscrew aside it is awful with featureless 90 degree corners.

 

[freshseth83]

I prefer the wec myself. Also, Rebellion is there as is an HPD lmp1. Muscle Milk are even rumored to join wec next year and we know Porsche will be there. LMP1 is wec. T10 can keep the uscr licsense, they don't even want lmp1 cars!

 

[RACECAR]

Is anyone going to even try to get the WEC though? Think about it: Outside F1 and WRC, what other FIA license can you think of that any racing game has gotten in recent memory?

 

[IceMan PJN]

It was disgraceful that GT5 was so far behind with Audi LMP1 cars. As I recall, they not only lacked the R18, but didn't even have the R15.

Why wouldn't they be in? Over 1200 cars in gt6 includes every car from gt5.

It won't have all GT5 cars. I believe I read that they tweaked some sub-Standards so that they look less crappy and, relevant here, dumped the worst-looking ones.

 

[TheMokafan]

Since NFS and FM4 have Porsche, its only a matter of time until Porsche is here (15 years and counting). See what I'm saying?

Also, the people who make the "NASCAR Inside Line" IIRC has the current rights to the Gen6 car (other than iRacing) and IIRC Codemasters has FIA rights

There's a difference between exclusive license and non-exclusive license. EA has the exclusive Porsche license, and allows Turn 10 to use Porsche anyway. Eutechnyx has the NASCAR license, but it's not exclusive. That's why Activision, iRacing, and anyone else who want NASCAR in their game just have to pay NASCAR. I assume the LMP license iRacing has isn't exclusive, so only money is stoppng PD/Sony from using them.

 

[Tornado]

I think more important than new ones is finally making the ones that they have have realistic specifications. I don't want to have an Audi R18 if it has 800 horsepower and weighs 100 pounds less than it should or whatever.

 

[freshseth83]

Those specs are not entirely inaccurate. Audi clakm the R18 could weigh ~750-775kg witbout ballast. And is there really a reason to think their 3.7 liter turbo diesel can only make Audi's claimed "490hp"? Actually, the air restrictor size is what is limiting the power number. These cars can easily make 800+hp. Theyre breathing through air restrictors ~30MM in size (about an inch in diameter). Just 3 years ago, the Peugeot 908 was said to make around 750-850hp. Before they put smaller restrictors on the engines they could 'breathe' more air which lets the engine make more power. F1 engines are a liter smaller but make close to 800hp because of the size of the 'airbox' above the drivers head.

What PD COULD do is have cars like lmp's have a setting for adjustable restrictor sizes. That would be the most accurate way to go about it. Thats how they do it irl.

 

[toospiciecc]

How about More WEC LMP1/LMP2 cars from 2013/2014? Because Porsche are coming in 2014 joining Audi,Toyota and a possible appearance of Nissan.

 

[Tornado]

Those specs are not entirely inaccurate.

They are for the normally aspirated cars, so I have little belief that they did anything besides apply a power multiplier to all of them until they were within a certain horsepower/PP range rather than present them under the guise of what they could make without restriction.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

Those specs are not entirely inaccurate. Audi clakm the R18 could weigh ~750-775kg witbout ballast. And is there really a reason to think their 3.7 liter turbo diesel can only make Audi's claimed "490hp"? Actually, the air restrictor size is what is limiting the power number. These cars can easily make 800+hp. Theyre breathing through air restrictors ~30MM in size (about an inch in diameter). Just 3 years ago, the Peugeot 908 was said to make around 750-850hp. Before they put smaller restrictors on the engines they could 'breathe' more air which lets the engine make more power. F1 engines are a liter smaller but make close to 800hp because of the size of the 'airbox' above the drivers head.

What PD COULD do is have cars like lmp's have a setting for adjustable restrictor sizes. That would be the most accurate way to go about it. Thats how they do it irl.

The Peugeot 908 was a 5.5l V12 not a 3.7l V6 with a 45.1mm air restrictor like Audi currently use. Peugeot left before the new regulations came into effect.

 

[sumbrownkid]

The Peugeot 908 was a 5.5l V12 not a 3.7l V6 with a 45.1mm air restrictor like Audi currently use. Peugeot left before the new regulations came into effect.

Even if it was just a 3.7L, many folk such as that Mulsanne Corner guy chuckle at the notion of the Audi only making around 500HP, but yet can make lap times in the 3:25 region.

Now with hybrid power thrown into the mix, no wonder the ACO is going to ditch the restrictor system and going with a fuel flow formula.

 

[Clark]

The Peugeot 908 was a 5.5l V12 not a 3.7l V6 with a 45.1mm air restrictor like Audi currently use. Peugeot left before the new regulations came into effect.

They didn't leave before then.

The 908 HDI FAP had a 5.5 twin-turbo V12 diesel, the newer 908 had a 3.7 twin-turbo V8 diesel.

 

[Yukon]

I remember back in 2007 - early 2008, before GT5P was released and I was thinking about all the things that I expected to be in the next game. I was hoping and almost expecting the entire ELMS to be included. It's quite funny thinking about how much I wanted to be included back then.

I guess it was after having so much experience using the prototypes on GT4, I had gained so much more knowledge than I had before when I would only see them once a year at Le Mans, which I didn't entirely understand when I was younger - I thought that was their only race.

I'd love to see more LMP's included, but I don't expect there to be anything more than a select few of the very top competitors, such as Toyota and Audi, (I highly doubt Rebellion will be included). I'd put this down to PD's obsession with regular road cars and the GT series. Top motorsport series like the WEC and ALMS don't seem to gather much interest from them, unfortunately.

The list is endless, really. There's so much to endurance racing that they simply cannot make everything that we'd love to see accessible on the next Gran Turismo.

 

[Scuderia Paul]

They didn't leave before then.

The 908 HDI FAP had a 5.5 twin-turbo V12 diesel, the newer 908 had a 3.7 twin-turbo V8 diesel.

Yes, that's correct my mistake. How I forgot Toyota sped up development of it's LMP1 hybrid programme to replace Peugeot is beyond me. So much for me being a huge endurance fan!
:$

 

[Coiler]

There is not that much LMP cars 1or2 , wonder why is it so hard for PD to make them?
Really hope for the WEC grid some time...

 

[Foxiol]

I´ll be a happy man if we get the ones we already have with the new ones from the WEC and ILMS. (also classes P1, P2 and P3)

I can live without Porsches if not possible...but add Aston Martin, Lola, Acura, Nissan, Audi, Toyota, Peugeot...and the old ones like Sauber Mercedes C11...etc.

 

[RattijuoppoFIN]

They are for the normally aspirated cars, so I have little belief that they did anything besides apply a power multiplier to all of them until they were within a certain horsepower/PP range rather than present them under the guise of what they could make without restriction.

That's not all. Even the torque figures are entirely wrong in some cars. I don't have any proofed numbers to give you but I can tell you that i.e. the Audi R8 P900/LMP1 has like 300 Nm more torque than its got in reality. And that makes the nature of that Fsi engine all wrong.

 

[apff]

For sure PoDi will include some LMP car in GT6, and it seems impossible they forget the R18 which the first hybrid car winning le Mans.
I think the 908 (2011) should also be include due to the dramatical battle in 2011, with the shortest gap never seen in le Mans between the winning R18 and the first 908.
As a japanese car, I believe PoDi will also include the TS030.

I would like to see more LMP in GT6, but I'm affraid I could be too disapointed when the official car list will be published... But if I could choose the LMP who had to be in GT6, I'll choose:
- Audi R18 Etron Quattro
- Deltawing
- Dome S102 '08 or S102.5 '12
- HPD ARX 01e
- HPD ARX 03a
- Lola Aston Martin B09/60
- Lola Rebellion
- Pescarolo 01 '09
- Peugeot 908 (2011)
- Toyota TS030
- some LMP2 as the Signatech's Oreca 03 (which was the Ordonez's and Tresson's car), the HPD 03b, the Morgan and the Zitek.

 

[Coiler]

Some fuel to the fire

 

[TexasTyme214]

What PD COULD do is have cars like lmp's have a setting for adjustable restrictor sizes. That would be the most accurate way to go about it. Thats how they do it irl.

A lot of race cars need to go that route. This would be easy to implement too. In "stock" form, they can deliver the car @ its claimed 490hp and set the power limiter to some arbitrary number below 100%. It's basically the same thing. They could dress it up by calling the power limiter "Restrictor Size" if necessary. All the LMP cars in the game need to be that way with their real horsepower figures.

 

[apff]

A lot of race cars need to go that route. This would be easy to implement too. In "stock" form, they can deliver the car @ its claimed 490hp and set the power limiter to some arbitrary number below 100%. It's basically the same thing. They could dress it up by calling the power limiter "Restrictor Size" if necessary. All the LMP cars in the game need to be that way with their real horsepower figures.

I wish PoDi will reduce the engine power of the LMP car to put it to the normal power diagram. For those who wanna more horse power, an option to remove of the restrictor would be the best way to let us choose between a normal LMP car or a cheated and undriveable one.

 

[TetreRouge]

If you can skip frame by frame through the time-lapse section of the extended trailer you'll see a few.

 

[apff]

If you can skip frame by frame through the time-lapse section of the extended trailer you'll see a few.

Nothing new while I saw it... It looks like GT5. Premium are premium, and standard remain standard. There is no new car too.