GT6 Nürburgring Lap time board -- CLOSED - Look for new thread to be started

[ildd]

I ran a 9:18 with the stock Hudson Hornet back in December.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Some new production times:

07:16.116 Mercedes SLR McLaren '09 (Johnnypenso) NEW

07:09.246 Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package '12 (Johnnypenso) NEW

07:08.112 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08 (Johnnypenso) NEW

SLR was slightly understeery and suffers from a poor gearbox. I was in 3rd gear for about half the lap I blew a 7:14 in the last few corners but was tired of driving so I packed it in. LFA is a rocketship on wheels, oversteery but controllable. Suspension feels quite stiff so I struggled a bit with the curbs. Lambo was just about perfect for me and the 4wd came in handy.

 

[Arnold Wong]

They limited the steering angle because:

1. It's a race car, not a drift car.

2. You don't need to steer that far while racing in a car with as much downforce as that.

3. You have to take into account that PD is making a SIMULATOR. So if your tires clip into the body and/or suspension parts it's not very realistic. Because the tire touching anything still will damage what's standing still, and the tire severely.

I guess you misunderstand what I meant........in fact I don't steer a lot as you can see my tyres are not going "red" for a lot in my videos.....................the problem of the fan car is that it has a extremely quick steering which you can directly turn the front wheels to the lock at low speed anytime(at high speed it is normal)........that makes you can't take the racing line accurately in your mind(the X2010 doesn't have this steering ratio function so it's a much better car to drive under 200kph).......

 

[Stotty]

Stotty,

Nice lap time, My Spec C '04 lap time is 2 seconds slower than yours. I found its handling is bit better than its rivals EVO VIII GRS/RS which show excessive under-steering at 'Ring.

I haven't tried any of the Evo's other than the Mines, but the Spec C has very little understeer 👍

Realised I didn't send you the replays you asked for - I'll do them tonight, but Denilson's already gone faster in the CSL, so you might want to ask him for that one.

 

[Denilson]

06:11.681 Pagani Zonda R '09 (Denilson) NEW

Don't know which category the Zonda R belong in.. Either "race" or "production" obviously though.
The car comes with Racing Hard tires from the dealer, so that was the compound I used for my run.
And an oil change that boosted power to 775 hp..
Everything left stock ofcourse, and real grip reduction and no aids but ABS. 👍

I feel I can push it below a 6:10, but the car is so twitchi I won't bother for such a small potential gain for me.
I don't doubt someone will take it around way faster than that in a not too distant future.

As in the case with the CSL, I got the replay on my phone directly recorded from the screen. So no value in the video except as proof if needed. 👍

EDIT: I listed my PSN, and not my GTP username in my CSL submission, so here's the correct one for that:
07:28.979 - BMW M3 CSL '03 (Denilson) BEATEN

 

[Arnold Wong]

06:11.681 Pagani Zonda R '09 (Denilson) NEW

Don't know which category the Zonda R belong in.. Either "race" or "production" obviously though.
The car comes with Racing Hard tires from the dealer, so that was the compound I used for my run.
And an oil change that boosted power to 775 hp..
Everything left stock ofcourse, and real grip reduction and no aids but ABS. 👍

I feel I can push it below a 6:10, but the car is so twitchi I won't bother for such a small potential gain for me.
I don't doubt someone will take it around way faster than that in a not too distant future.

As in the case with the CSL, I got the replay on my phone directly recorded from the screen. So no value in the video except as proof if needed. 👍

EDIT: I listed my PSN, and not my GTP username in my CSL submission, so here's the correct one for that:
07:28.979 - BMW M3 CSL '03 (Denilson) BEATEN

The Zonda R is a track car in real life, so it should be in the race category

 

[nosebluntbob]

I would say race category, may have a go with the zonda myself later, was fun lapping it in5 with sports keeps ure attention

 

[nosebluntbob]

Is ther anyone who can take my PS file and film/record it with their video capture device please

 

[TSracing]

Hi guys!

Great thread. I wanted to join in on the fun. So did a lap in the RUF RGT to begin with.

Question is, is my lap valid?
100% stock car and stock tires (Sport Hard). But it had oil-change and around 200km on the clock. That makes it faster than a 0km car without oil-change. I often do an oil-change after buying a car. Grip reduction on edge of track was "low".

If the above setting are okay, please add:

Production:
7:26.765 - RUF RGT '00 - (TSracing) BEATEN

 

[Denilson]

The Zonda R is a track car in real life, so it should be in the race category

Hmm, yeah.. But the FXX is not?
A production car (note: not necesseraly "road legal") is a car built in multiple units (be it 50, 399 or 20000) available for the public ( who can afford it)...

I'm not saying that I'm right here, but I'm saying I'm not sure it belongs in the "race car" category either..

Hi guys!

Great thread. I wanted to join in on the fun. So did a lap in the RUF RGT to begin with.

Question is, is my lap valid?
100% stock car and stock tires (Sport Hard). But it had oil-change and around 200km on the clock. That makes it faster than a 0km car without oil-change. I often do an oil-change after buying a car. Grip reduction on edge of track was "low".

If the above setting are okay, please add:

Production:
7:26.765 - RUF RGT '00 - (TSracing) BEATEN

Your car is perfectly fine. However, grip reduction should be set to "real".
Can seam like a silly rule, but at the ring, the slightest of touches on the grass in the wrong place could destroy your lap with the "real" setting, and could gain you in the "low" setting.
Note that I'm not saying anything about your perticular lap or assume anything.
Just stating what is stated in the OP, and added a reason to why the track settings need to be as stated by Mike. 👍

 

[Stotty]

Hmm, yeah.. But the FXX is not?
A production car (note: not necesseraly "road legal") is a car built in multiple units (be it 50, 399 or 20000) available for the public ( who can afford it)...

Personally, I don't think the FXX belongs in the 'Production' category as it's not road legal, but at least it comes on sports hard tyres... the Zonda is on slicks, so surely can't be production?

We'll await Mike's decision

 

[TSracing]

Thanks Denilson.
I missed that bit in OP. No need for my lap to be added then. Ill do future laps with correct track setting.

 

[Impreza WRX]

I haven't tried any of the Evo's other than the Mines, but the Spec C has very little understeer 👍

Realised I didn't send you the replays you asked for - I'll do them tonight, but Denilson's already gone faster in the CSL, so you might want to ask him for that one.

Stotty:

Yes, I was noticed Denilson's CSL lap, kind thrilling to me because of the huge gap, I still want to see your replay because I found most my laptimes were consistently 2~4 seconds slower than yours, I was interested in finding at what part I was doing wrong.

Denilson:

I am very interested in studying your CSL replay for the purpose to reduced my laptime, even though I know it will be very tough job to me to cut 10s off... Anyway, if you don't mind, could you please share the CSL laptime with me?

In the case you guys have difficulties to find online drive, you can try send attachment to my email: yanqi@hotmail.com

Thank you again

Y. Ding

 

[Johnnypenso]

This should be "BEATEN" (barely)as opposed to "NEW"

07:42.538 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec II Nur (R34) '02 (GTP_Stotty) NEW

I mistakenly left out the "II" after "V-Spec" ...sorry...

07:43.252 - Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec Nur (R34) '02 (Johnnypenso)

 

[Stotty]

This should be "BEATEN" (barely)as opposed to "NEW"

I did have a glance over the leaderboard 1st, but must have missed it

 

[TSracing]

Personally, I don't think the FXX belongs in the 'Production' category as it's not road legal

I agree. TopGear took it of their leaderboard for same reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test_track_Power_Lap_Times

 

[Denilson]

Personally, I don't think the FXX belongs in the 'Production' category as it's not road legal, but at least it comes on sports hard tyres... the Zonda is on slicks, so surely can't be production?

We'll await Mike's decision

I'm not sure that a car is'nt "production" solely on what compound it comes with.
IMO. A production car is a car produced in multiple units available to the public.. 599XX, FXX, Zonda R fit in to that description.. But yeah, my interpretation of "production" should not determine this obviously.. As you said, we'll await what Mike decides. 👍

I agree. TopGear took it of their leaderboard for same reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test_track_Power_Lap_Times

I believe that reason was due to the tires, not due to it not beeing regarded as a "production" car.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

I think if a car has a license plate it on it, its street legal. A majority of those cars are production cars. The FXX, if I remember correctly, does not have a license plate on it.

 

[TSracing]

I believe that reason was due to the tires, not due to it not beeing regarded as a "production" car.

"The Ferrari FXX owned by Michael Schumacher (1:10.7) was taken off the board after because it both failed to meet road legal standards and used slick tyres."

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track

 

[Denilson]

"The Ferrari FXX owned by Michael Schumacher (1:10.7) was taken off the board after because it both failed to meet road legal standards and used slick tyres."

Reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track

Yes, I get that.. What I'm saying is that if it is road legal or not, or if it comes with slicks or not does'nt by default determine if it's a production car or not.
It's not a road legal production car, yes..
But is it not a production car?

 

[ProjectWHaT]

Guinness says a "Production car" must have a least made 30 units.

Hennessey says it couldn't have qualified for a Guinness record. "For whatever reason, Guinness made a decision that to qualify [for a production car world record], you have to build 30 units," John told us. "We're only making 29 Venom GTs. To date we've built and delivered 11."

Even though he's talking about the Venom GT, you get the idea.

 

[Meesbaker]

On hat FXX/Zonda R thing here's my 2 cents...

The categorization of the car in reality is not relevant in this thread because gt6 seperates street cars and race cars VERY strongly and in order to have comparable lap times in relation to the pp in a certain category we should stick to the seperation of gt6. I can feel a street car with only my hands on the wheel and my eyes shut its so obvious that fxx belongs to the production category while Zonda R is a race car.

Street cars have:
-Sport hard stock tyres
-Incomplete stock setup, many parts have to be bought that allow setting up the car
-Tuning parts unavailable to race cars exist, e.g. NOS
-The cars have no, very small or unadjustable downforce
-overall ****** grip

Race cars have:
-Racing Hard stock tyres
-all important parts installed, only engine3 and turbo3 can be added sometimes
-high range of adjustable downforce both front and rear
-Very good grip and handling

Now easily fxx is road and Zonda R is race car....
Imo it also makes sense categorizing cars that way as the laptimes are in some relation to the pp. Zonda R would bust the production category with very few pp while fxx cant keep up with race cars of half that power and pp.

I think its good as it is

 

[Denilson]

On hat FXX/Zonda R thing here's my 2 cents...

The categorization of the car in reality is not relevant in this thread because gt6 seperates street cars and race cars VERY strongly and in order to have comparable lap times in relation to the pp in a certain category we should stick to the seperation of gt6. I can feel a street car with only my hands on the wheel and my eyes shut its so obvious that fxx belongs to the production category while Zonda R is a race car.

Street cars have:
-Sport hard stock tyres
-Incomplete stock setup, many parts have to be bought that allow setting up the car
-Tuning parts unavailable to race cars exist, e.g. NOS
-The cars have no, very small or unadjustable downforce
-overall ****** grip

Race cars have:
-Racing Hard stock tyres
-all important parts installed, only engine3 and turbo3 can be added sometimes
-high range of adjustable downforce both front and rear
-Very good grip and handling

Now easily fxx is road and Zonda R is race car....
Imo it also makes sense categorizing cars that way as the laptimes are in some relation to the pp. Zonda R would bust the production category with very few pp while fxx cant keep up with race cars of half that power and pp.

I think its good as it is

That's ofcourse one way to look at it.. And I agree, mixing real life with GT6 will only confuse things.
Only thing that is sad is that those cars are compared irl, and PD messed that up when they for some reason fitted SH tires on the FXX.

Perhaps put the Zonda in the race car category, and make an exception for the FXX by allowing that car only to use another compound (RH's) to fit both in the same category for comparison reasons. One of the biggest pro's with this leaderboard for me as one who administrate a lot of online competitions is to be able to get a good overview of a cars performance in stock form.
Or, ofcourse, ban the Zonda from RH tires and allow SH's for it only. But fitting the FXX with RH's is probably the better option since that would be more representative to real life for both cars.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Only thing that is sad is that those cars are compared irl, and PD messed that up when they for some reason fitted SH tires on the FXX.

Perhaps put the Zonda in the race car category, and make an exception for the FXX by allowing that car only to use another compound (RH's) to fit both in the same category for comparison reasons. One of the biggest pro's with this leaderboard for me as one who administrate a lot of online competitions is to be able to get a good overview of a cars performance in stock form.
Or, ofcourse, ban the Zonda from RH tires and allow SH's for it only. But fitting the FXX with RH's is probably the better option since that would be more representative to real life for both cars.

👍👍
In hindsight (sorry Mike) maybe we should have standardized the maximum tire in the stock classes. Either stock tire or sports hard (if a car comes with better than sports hards) to make them all comparable on an equal footing. Some "production" cars come with SS tires. The Trial Celica for example, and a few other cars. It makes their lap times outrageously low for their PP level.

If tires are limited, then a handful of cars like the FXX and Zonda R, Amemiya RX-7 etc. could fit into both categories. More options, more lap times to set, everyone wins...except Mike who has to do the paperwork

 

[Johnnypenso]

Some more times for the production board:

07:33.778 Ruf 3400S (Johnnypenso) BEATEN

07:01.260 Ferrari Enzo '02 (Johnnypenso) BEATEN

07:25.488 SRT Viper GTS '02 (Johnnypenso) NEW

07:23.273 Spyker C8 Laviolette '01 (Johnnypenso) NEW

07:12.745 Honda NSX Concept '13 (Johnnypenso) NEW

3400S is a wonderful car, sticks like glue, predictable, you can attack with confidence. Slightly understeery at times but not a hinderance.
Viper GTS was a little unbalanced. Some entry understeer, then a tendency to lift off oversteer and to spin the rear wheels under power.
Spyker drives a little better than in GT5 but still understeers on entry and massive wheelspin under power. On your out lap you can spin the wheels on the front straight in 2nd gear at 130km/h!!
NSX concept was not quite as good as I thought it would be. A little understeery on entry and you still had a fair chance to spin the rear wheels in spite of the 4wd. Thought it would be several seconds faster.

After driving so many cars on the 'Ring, I figured I'd take a crack at the Enzo to see if I'm making any progress and was able to shave a couple of seconds off. I think I should be able to get it under 7 minutes soon

 

[mike_gt3]

I will switch the FFX into the race/non-production category, i left it there until we decide where it should go. sound like the decision have been made


The Zonda will definatly go in the race/non-production category as well

I will update later in the week, i just got back from work , had a 18h shift and im tired.

@TSracing , like @Denilson said the only thing you would need to change is grip set to real

 

[Denilson]

I will switch the FFX into the race/non-production category, i left it there until we decide where it should go. sound like the decision have been made

How about the FXX's tires? Move it to race/non-production as is, or allow the FXX only to fit RH tires to be in line with the rest of the cars in that category?

I'm eager to have a go in it, so need to know what tires to use..
Maybe I'll try it on both compounds (SH's and RH's), and post the times here so @mike_gt3 can decide which one to go with in the race/non-production category.

 

[Stotty]

I don't think the FXX has set a Nurburgring time - only the 599 FFX has a published time (which was set on Michelin slicks).

The Zonda R was on a hand cut Pirelli slick IIRC - they fitted the same tyres with more cuts to the Huayra for its Top Gear lap.

 

[Denilson]

@Impreza WRX

BMW M3 CSL '03:




Pagani Zonda R '09:

 

[GiovyLM]

This is a great post .... anyway here my best time (for now) with this car :

Race/Non Production Category

07:50:634 - Suzuki GSX-R/4 '01 (GiovyLM) NEW