GT6 PSN version+SSD, Optimum Setup?
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The vastly better access times than 5400 rpm 2.5" hard disks (about 100 better: ~0.1 ms vs ~10 ms) and better transfer rate over small random reads (40-60 times better. Hard disk: ~0.5 MB/s, SSD: ~20-30 MB/s) should decrease or eliminate texture/model pop-up problems that other games have with hard disks. Having the PSN version means that the entire game will be loaded from your SSD with an immediate (no waiting for the game to install resources on the drive) and all-around benefit from those SSD qualities. You will also wear down your PS3 less (no heat, no BD drive usage) than with the disk version.
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I have bougth an SSD just for this game. My old Fat PS3 died, and i pick up a new super slim ( so ugly in my opinion ), i bought the 12Gb version, and added the SSD a couple of days ago.
I also have the DL version, exactly for the same, full install in SSD, so no BlueRay drive access at all.
I have seen a lot of benchmarks, reviews, etc ... and the main points are :
- A good 7200rpm HDD, is very near to the SSD in read speed (SATA1 limit = 150Mbps).
- Write Speed better in SSD ( GT6 doesnt save large amount of data, so it's not significant )
- Super fast seek and random reads in SSD -> That's important, loading large bunch of small files, are improved a lot by the super fast seek, it loads a lot faster than HDD, for example, my old GT5 garage was a pain in the ass to load every time, you have to download all the thumbs, specs, etc ...
- BlueRay : Big bottleneck : BR Drive throws about 8Mbps of transfer rate, and thats veeeery slow, compared with the SSD using all SATA1 bandwidth, so when the game access to the BR to load a map, or something, it's going to be a big difference.
So in perfomance, comparing a good 7200rpm drive, SSD will be lot faster in certain moments, little bit faster in others, or perhaps the same in someones, but never slower.
And important for me, as my old "fat" died by overheating, SSD runs a lot cooler than a 7200RPM, make no noise at all, and also you dont use the BR drive, so less heat and noise again.
We're going to be happy with our SSD's
I also have the DL version, exactly for the same, full install in SSD, so no BlueRay drive access at all.
I have seen a lot of benchmarks, reviews, etc ... and the main points are :
- A good 7200rpm HDD, is very near to the SSD in read speed (SATA1 limit = 150Mbps).
- Write Speed better in SSD ( GT6 doesnt save large amount of data, so it's not significant )
- Super fast seek and random reads in SSD -> That's important, loading large bunch of small files, are improved a lot by the super fast seek, it loads a lot faster than HDD, for example, my old GT5 garage was a pain in the ass to load every time, you have to download all the thumbs, specs, etc ...
- BlueRay : Big bottleneck : BR Drive throws about 8Mbps of transfer rate, and thats veeeery slow, compared with the SSD using all SATA1 bandwidth, so when the game access to the BR to load a map, or something, it's going to be a big difference.
So in perfomance, comparing a good 7200rpm drive, SSD will be lot faster in certain moments, little bit faster in others, or perhaps the same in someones, but never slower.
And important for me, as my old "fat" died by overheating, SSD runs a lot cooler than a 7200RPM, make no noise at all, and also you dont use the BR drive, so less heat and noise again.
We're going to be happy with our SSD's
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Thanks for the info
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I have bougth an SSD just for this game. My old Fat PS3 died, and i pick up a new super slim ( so ugly in my opinion ), i bought the 12Gb version, and added the SSD a couple of days ago.
I also have the DL version, exactly for the same, full install in SSD, so no BlueRay drive access at all.
I have seen a lot of benchmarks, reviews, etc ... and the main points are :
- A good 7200rpm HDD, is very near to the SSD in read speed (SATA1 limit = 150Mbps).
- Write Speed better in SSD ( GT6 doesnt save large amount of data, so it's not significant )
- Super fast seek and random reads in SSD -> That's important, loading large bunch of small files, are improved a lot by the super fast seek, it loads a lot faster than HDD, for example, my old GT5 garage was a pain in the ass to load every time, you have to download all the thumbs, specs, etc ...
- BlueRay : Big bottleneck : BR Drive throws about 8Mbps of transfer rate, and thats veeeery slow, compared with the SSD using all SATA1 bandwidth, so when the game access to the BR to load a map, or something, it's going to be a big difference.
So in perfomance, comparing a good 7200rpm drive, SSD will be lot faster in certain moments, little bit faster in others, or perhaps the same in someones, but never slower.
And important for me, as my old "fat" died by overheating, SSD runs a lot cooler than a 7200RPM, make no noise at all, and also you dont use the BR drive, so less heat and noise again.
We're going to be happy with our SSD's
^This matches my experience exactly of a good 7200RPM drive vs an SSD on GT5. The SSD doesn't always show a big advantage but, for some things, like adding tuning parts to a car, or large garage load etc it was a huge difference.
A bit of history for what its worth, not sure if this will apply to GT6. For the GT5 time trial challenge demo we got in late 2009 (used for 2nd euro GT Academy), it had some frame rate issues that were definitely improved by going to a faster hard disk (SSD were not real common/affordable back then) Going from a 5400rpm to a good 7200rpm drive with better seek time seemed to mostly eliminate the frame rate issues (which were just brief random pauses, similar to the GT6 demo we had last summer). However running the GT6 demo on an SSD still had plenty of frame rate issues in 1080p, less so in 720p. So maybe it will not help frame rate in GT6.
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I guess I'll get GT6, input the preorder code on the PSN, return it (unopened), and download the PSN version after getting an SSD. I know how it will improve those random reads, which means faster garage loading alone.
EDIT: If disc + SSD is optimal, then I'll just re-buy the disc. I'm actually going to hold off on my re-purchase to see what the better setup is.
EDIT: If disc + SSD is optimal, then I'll just re-buy the disc. I'm actually going to hold off on my re-purchase to see what the better setup is.
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On GT5 the entire game stuttered when it loaded from the disk, even though the game was installed on the SSD. I think the disk version avoids installing "low-priority" data like movies and music. But if you're dedicating and entire SSD for the game, then it makes sense to have as much data as possible from the game on it. I don't know if GT6 behaves the same, but I doubt very much that on an SSD the disk version will bring you a better experience.
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What about HDD download vs. disc?
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On GT5 it does. Night and day difference on load times, especially coming from the stock 5400rpm disk.
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The framerate will never get faster by an SSD. The only way the framerate will improve is if Sony magically makes the PS3 hardware run faster and unlock some hidden ram that we never knew about.
The fan in my Super Slim PS3 is loud as hell when playing GT5.
I dont get stuttering when my game is loading from the disk and I have a 160GN SATA II Intel SSD installed in my PS3
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Sorry I quoted the other guy and when I posted it it turned out that the forum quoted you instead. Go figure
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I have the disk (BD) version of GT5 and unfortunately it reads often from it after installation, often for seemingly no reason at all even when the content you're viewing is supposed to have already been cached/installed. This is especially noticeable in the arcade mode when viewing cars and when the game tries loading a different background music in menus. In the latter case, for a split second, while the BD drive makes seek noises, user control cursor of the on screen cursor is removed for a split second, and this makes you question why you installed an SSD if the game still attempts loading data from the disk.
However, this won't be a problem anymore with the DL edition of GT6 I purchased.
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Remember,
The problem with HDs at 7200rpms is that they are not recommended for use in any PS3, only 5400rpms.I have bougth an SSD just for this game. My old Fat PS3 died, and i pick up a new super slim ( so ugly in my opinion ), i bought the 12Gb version, and added the SSD a couple of days ago.
I also have the DL version, exactly for the same, full install in SSD, so no BlueRay drive access at all.
I have seen a lot of benchmarks, reviews, etc ... and the main points are :
- A good 7200rpm HDD, is very near to the SSD in read speed (SATA1 limit = 150Mbps).
- Write Speed better in SSD ( GT6 doesnt save large amount of data, so it's not significant )
- Super fast seek and random reads in SSD -> That's important, loading large bunch of small files, are improved a lot by the super fast seek, it loads a lot faster than HDD, for example, my old GT5 garage was a pain in the ass to load every time, you have to download all the thumbs, specs, etc ...
- BlueRay : Big bottleneck : BR Drive throws about 8Mbps of transfer rate, and thats veeeery slow, compared with the SSD using all SATA1 bandwidth, so when the game access to the BR to load a map, or something, it's going to be a big difference.
So in perfomance, comparing a good 7200rpm drive, SSD will be lot faster in certain moments, little bit faster in others, or perhaps the same in someones, but never slower.
And important for me, as my old "fat" died by overheating, SSD runs a lot cooler than a 7200RPM, make no noise at all, and also you dont use the BR drive, so less heat and noise again.
We're going to be happy with our SSD's
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A fully installed disc copy of GT6 vs the Digital version - initial installation of the digital copy will be faster due to the slower read speeds of the BR drive. However, once both are installed there will be no/minimal difference between them when GT6 requires additional installation during gameplay.
HDD vs SSD - While data access will be quicker on an SSD, which will aid in game on demand installs, it will only marginally improve load speeds (a few seconds at most). Why? A PS3 is not a PC and the architecture is not designed to utilise the bandwidth of a SSD drive, also GT6 coding will not be optimised to be processed any faster that the standard 5400 rpm drive in the base PS3 model allows.
As previously mentioned, nothing will affect FPS......until PD optimise certain things, we are stuck with what we have. Your 'optimal setup' will gain you next to no performance increases.
I will concede that a digital copy of GT6 with a SSD will result in slightly faster access but only marginally so due to the bandwidth/pipeline restrictions that the PS3 has and there is certainly no time gains that warrant the increased cost of either the SSD and the higher cost of the PSN GT6 version.
HDD vs SSD - While data access will be quicker on an SSD, which will aid in game on demand installs, it will only marginally improve load speeds (a few seconds at most). Why? A PS3 is not a PC and the architecture is not designed to utilise the bandwidth of a SSD drive, also GT6 coding will not be optimised to be processed any faster that the standard 5400 rpm drive in the base PS3 model allows.
As previously mentioned, nothing will affect FPS......until PD optimise certain things, we are stuck with what we have. Your 'optimal setup' will gain you next to no performance increases.
I will concede that a digital copy of GT6 with a SSD will result in slightly faster access but only marginally so due to the bandwidth/pipeline restrictions that the PS3 has and there is certainly no time gains that warrant the increased cost of either the SSD and the higher cost of the PSN GT6 version.
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I have to disagree with this. I went from a 5400RPM HDD PS3 to an SSD in my new PS3 and I saw a massive difference with pressing start race in the SSD. With my PS3 slim 250GB when I pressed the start race button It felt like an eternity to get into the race , but with my SSD in my new PS3 superslim 12GB the game takes nearly quarter the time to go into the race after pressing the start race button.
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It has been measured in GT5, so I'll withhold judgement until the same is done in 6. However, results showed that a SSD will half the initial load up of the game and speed the initial installation but it will only improve transitions between races/menus by a matter of seconds. It was deemed to be an expensive tradeoff for a minimal gain.
IIRC, it was a Digital Foundry/Eurogamer investigation.
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