GTDesigned: A Community Vision GT Project

[Xiamoto]

Can someone please design a turbo style mag?, either sketch or CAD to include in the wheel design poll.

Needs to draw air out from under the car not just look the part in the same way as the 19's on the SLR.

That's Good input. I am assuming in this case you are proposing a traditional, hubbed, spoked, wheel design (vs. for instance, a hubless design wheel) that in turn draws air out from under the car. If so, that would be a COMPONENT CONCEPT the Community would vote on in Poll #3 and no CAD or freehand sketch that demonstrates aesthetics (styling) would be needed for that Voting Poll #3.. Then.........if your COMPONENT CONCEPT is selected in Voting Poll #3, then alternative aesthetic designs for it would be presented to the Community and voted for in Polls #11-13. Does that make sense or am I missing something here...........👍

 

[MadEpicBadger]

I have a question and its a fairly important question....
What if we do all of this and PD never even notice us? I mean they're not know for their relationship with the community.

But in the meantime I really need to get into this, I got some nice ideas in my head for a vgt tarmac rally car

Ps: if they do add this in and have the peoples names on it, Loscules should be where the drivers name is be for sure.

 

[R5]

I have a question and its a fairly important question....
What if we do all of this and PD never even notice us? I mean they're not know for their relationship with the community.

But in the meantime I really need to get into this, I got some nice ideas in my head for a vgt tarmac rally car

Ps: if they do add this in and have the peoples names on it, Loscules should be where the drivers name is be for sure.

The all mighty Jordan has asked if there will he any interest on PD's part so... they'll notice us.

 

[kembro]

That's Good input. I am assuming in this case you are proposing a traditional, hubbed, spoked, wheel design (vs. for instance, a hubless design wheel) that in turn draws air out from under the car. If so, that would be a COMPONENT CONCEPT the Community would vote on in Poll #3 and no CAD or freehand sketch that demonstrates aesthetics (styling) would be needed for that Voting Poll #3.. Then.........if your COMPONENT CONCEPT is selected in Voting Poll #3, then alternative aesthetic designs for it would be presented to the Community and voted for in Polls #11-13. Does that make sense or am I missing something here...........👍

No probs, jumping the gun a bit. Just like to see the wheels used in generating downforce and brake cooling in turn.

Was thinking traditional hub. I sold a hubless vehicle for a while called a Wheelman. Needs to be driven off the tyre and may not be that efficient as the tyre loses grip.

 

[cgg]

No probs, jumping the gun a bit. Just like to see the wheels used in generating downforce and brake cooling in turn.

Was thinking traditional hub. I sold a hubless vehicle for a while called a Wheelman. Needs to be driven off the tyre and may not be that efficient as the tyre loses grip.

I think there would be a way to drive a hubless wheel off the wheel itself. If the wheel were to have a hub, just one that was nearly as big as the wheel, it would give the effect of hubless whilst retaining the practicality of standard wheels.

 

[kembro]

Could be driven by an internal drive onto a rim gear but just not sure of the benefits.

Active magnetic bearings may reduce bearing drag though.

 

[Nessy]

Thank you everyone for the kind words, and i'm sorry @citroengt1 for hearing about your recent loss of a dear friend.

I'm just taking a short break from my own family's situation, so i'll be around for the day, though of course like others have said already, i won't be partaking/contributing in the project to the same extent i was before (may do a tiny bit of sketching when i get the chance).

With regards to the centreless wheel idea. Some may want to look into the work of 'Franco Sbarro', the guy who invented the Centreless/Hubless wheel back in 1989 (could have been earlier). I know he did a concept car back in 89 called the Sbarro Osmos, that used it, i think he did a couple of concept motorbikes that used it too (hubless wheel). 👍


[EDIT]

'Sbarro Orbital' pic of a later car he did (not the Osmos)

[EDIT 2]

Actually, the first to invent the hubless wheel was whoever invented the 'monowheel' in the early 1900's.

But i feel 'Sbarro's work is closer to what's being discussed/suggested.

 

[LosCules24SFA]

Great to see you again @Nessy ! i can see that hubless wheel can be implemented but we have to figure out how to use it more efficiently, especially when changing the tyre (if we need a pit stop sequence/action)

 

[wvmgmidget]

But in the meantime I really need to get into this, I got some nice ideas in my head for a vgt tarmac rally car .

We'd love to hear them! I was thinking of an active suspension that scans the surface and adjusts accordingly (Mercedes has been working on a system that scans but it's for comfort). It would have several settings: Off (Tunable), Track, Drag, Drift, and Rally. If that's actually feasible that would be awesome.

 

[Xiamoto]

.................I have a question and its a fairly important question....
...............What if we do all of this and PD never even notice us? .............................

There are several other Software Publishers of Motorsports titles out there. AssettoCorsa, SimBin, iRacing, rFactor, Project Cars, DriveClub, RaceRoom, etc..........While GT is considered the "Big Dog" and would probably be the highest visibility Publisher to include our car in their game, they have struggled to do that type of thing in the past if you look at their SEMA Car Program. Please read the OP Spoilers in this thread we have just created. One of the Project Positions we have created and are trying to fill with a volunteer is the Software Publication Manager" whose sole responsibility is to research ALL Software Publishers for possible release into one of their games. Ultimately, why not think out of the box and try to position this project so that Software Publishers COMPETE with EACH other for the rights to publish our car...............lets think big.............

 

[Xiamoto]

Could be driven by an internal drive onto a rim gear but just not sure of the benefits.

Active magnetic bearings may reduce bearing drag though.

O yeah, and here's a technology to allow a hubless rim to evacuate air out from underneath the car..................👍

https://www.google.com/search?q=bladeless fan&safe=off&rlz=1C1OPRB_enUS530US530&espv=2&biw=1679&bih=898&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=zn66VJ2wEsGZNpudgdAH&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAw

And I still have an interest in serving up water cooled tires that I proposed in my original entry..........

 

[Nessy]

I remember Dyson doing one of those a few years ago.

[EDIT]

I like the idea of water cooled tyres, but wouldn't it add unnecessary weight? and would you really need cooling in something that operates better at a heated temperature?

I'm not against the idea, i think it just needs some explaining behind the concept of it. 👍

 

[Xiamoto]

I remember Dyson doing one of those a few years ago.

[EDIT]

I like the idea of water cooled tyres, but wouldn't it add unnecessary weight? and would you really need cooling in something that operates better at a heated temperature?

I'm not against the idea, i think it just needs some explaining behind the concept of it. 👍

Agreed. Yes, I'd have a lot more explaining to do and it may not even make sense. Once I begin to see how the various alternative Component Concepts are coming together (for eventual Vote!) I may or not propose them.

 

[cgg]

Here's an interesting one, but I think it could be a reasonable idea.

The hubless wheel allows anything to go through the wheel itself due to the large hole. And if you look at this design it has been used to add more downforce to the area around the wheel itself.

If we were able to do this the aerodynamic benefits could be huge. Wings like this on the front (steered) wheels could allow a type of active aero that has never been seen before. Just an idea though, and I'm not sure if it would work, so I'll look into it.

In terms of hubless wheels and pitstops, I think I have a solution. The wheel would be a large ring gear, held in place by a hub/casing of almost the same size. Within this casing there would be a gear driving the ring gear, driven by the diff. If this whole unit (Ring gear, casing and driving gear) could be taken off in one unit and be replaced by an identical unit it would allow for tyre changes. Inn essence the wheel would consist of a small part of the drivetrain, after the diff, which would be a single unit, which could easily be swapped. Now all I need is a mechanism to hold the wheels on!

The wing/aerofoil could be attached to the hub/casing in order for it to move with the wheel.

 

[citroengt1]

So guys, i am now the Freehand Sketching Contributor (FSC) on this project, and
i am starting the sketches for various design ideas on the car.
And just so you don't think i'm not a designer,
here's a sketch of the BMW VGT i drew in a hurry when the car was released.

The original pic and my sketch bellow.

Soo, i am working on some sketches, rear wing and rear end...
Posting pics soon.

 

[Xiamoto]

.....................So guys, i am now the Freehand Sketching Contributor (FSC) on this project, and
i am starting the sketches for various design ideas on the car.
.........................................

@citroengt1 - That is fantastic, welcome aboard. 👍

Be sure you register as BOTH a Freehand Sketching Contributor AND Aesthetic Design Contributor. Technically, they are two different functions. The Freehand Sketching Contributors essentially will execute aesthetic design ideas (in the form of sketches) that originate from themselves AND from others (who have great ideas but can't sketch well enough to be fairly represented when sketches are released for the Voting Polls. Also, when you are designing, be sure to clarify if you are doing COMPONENT DESIGN or AESTHETIC DESIGN, as they are both very different. See Member roles for those definitions. Yes, feel free to work on AESTHETIC DESIGN ideation right now, but understand that it is a bit premature because CONCEPT IDEATION is not complete yet. So....as an example.....it is possible that a REAR WING (although there is one in 787b's winning design) may never even make it to the cars final design if it is voted down in the COMPONENT DESIGN Voting Polls.

There are have been alot of questions about the "Phased Process", roles of Contributors, Design Managers, etc., that we have now put in place so I'll attempt to answer as many of them as they come along.

 

[citroengt1]

Thx for clearing that up.
And sure, i'll ask LosCules to add me to ADC section too.
As for the rear wing and rear bumper, i just wanted to draw those since we don't have many as front views and wheel sketches.

[EDIT]
As for the Component design, if i understood correctly, you need to know a bit of physics and engineering for that, yes?
In that case, i'm not good at, so just sketching and ideas is good for me.

 

[cgg]

As for the Component design, if i understood correctly, you need to know a bit of physics and engineering for that, yes?
In that case, i'm not good at, so just sketching and ideas is good for me.

In that case, you'll be able to help sketch my ideas, because my drawing is not good enough for this design process!

 

[787bcgr]

Some sketches. An idea hit me, what about a floating cockpit?

 

[citroengt1]

Sure cgg, just write in details and (or without some pictures) on your idea.

787bcgr, nice sketch, a bit narrow with the lights? Perhaps a more widder, to cover the wheel arches?
A floating cockpit?
That is actually pretty good idea, to have the entire interior floating few cm of the body.
Like on magnets.Imagine a sphere shaped interior floating in a magnetic bowl.
Sure it would require a lot of engineering and solutions, but it can be done with electric steering and electric gas/brake controls.Yes, this way the passenger wouldn't feel any vibration, so this way, we can make the car more stiffer and faster, without compromising the drivers comfort.

 

[YukinoSuzuka]

On the previous pages there was some talk about the rear wing.. should it be like a LMP wing, with the vertical wing too over the center of the car.

I had a silly idea, inspired by this vertical wing.

Like dragracing, they use parachutes to brake hard after reaching high speeds. I thought, what about a 'permanent chute' ?
I didn't have time to draw a car for this example, so I opened up SketchUp after a long time and used the 3D warehouse for a good 'example' car , luckely my podium render is still working ;

Driving mode ; Looks the same as a normal 'vertical' wing from a LMP car. What you don't see, it isn't 1 wing, but 2 wings collapsed into 1.

When braking heavily, the wing is opening and the permanent chute is doing his job.

I have to say, it is a silly and inefficient way of braking. The wings would collapse very quickly (& often) after braking otherwise you are loosing time while cornering. It won't last long and it's looking weird afterall...

Isn't it a good idea to make a poll for all innovations we had in the last 20/30 pages of this thread ? What are our fsvorites and which innovations suites the best for the VGT ?

 

[Smurfybug]

On the previous pages there was some talk about the rear wing.. should it be like a LMP wing, with the vertical wing too over the center of the car.

I had a silly idea, inspired by this vertical wing.

Like dragracing, they use parachutes to brake hard after reaching high speeds. I thought, what about a 'permanent chute' ?
I didn't have time to draw a car for this example, so I opened up SketchUp after a long time and used the 3D warehouse for a good 'example' car , luckely my podium render is still working ;

Driving mode ; Looks the same as a normal 'vertical' wing from a LMP car. What you don't see, it isn't 1 wing, but 2 wings collapsed into 1.

When braking heavily, the wing is opening and the permanent chute is doing his job.

I have to say, it is a silly and inefficient way of braking. The wings would collapse very quickly (& often) after braking otherwise you are loosing time while cornering. It won't last long and it's looking weird afterall...

Isn't it a good idea to make a poll for all innovations we had in the last 20/30 pages of this thread ? What are our fsvorites and which innovations suites the best for the VGT ?

Wow..... That escalated quickly

 

[wvmgmidget]

We're planning on it.

 

[Exorcet]

Here's an interesting one, but I think it could be a reasonable idea.

The hubless wheel allows anything to go through the wheel itself due to the large hole. And if you look at this design it has been used to add more downforce to the area around the wheel itself.

Won't work on a car, the ducting for brake cooling air will go into the wheel well and then spill out as low total pressure turbulent separated flow. The wing will be immersed in this and basically won't do anything. Also it would be surrounded by the trailing vortex of the diveplanes on the front of the car (if there are any, and there should be if you want serious downforce).

When braking heavily, the wing is opening and the permanent chute is doing his job.

I have to say, it is a silly and inefficient way of braking. The wings would collapse very quickly (& often) after braking otherwise you are loosing time while cornering. It won't last long and it's looking weird afterall...

It's probably better to just have a wing that can swivel. Make it go to an AoA over 45 degrees and you get to have downforce to increase braking along with a large amount of drag. Another way to use aero for braking is to have active brake cooling ducts that only open when the brakes are hit hard at high speed. Obviously with those you get to go really overboard with brake cooling when you might need it most and it might allow you to reduce size and weight of brake components.

 

[citroengt1]

Well, i have my first sketch of the rear end.

I don't know for the wing though, short on ideas for that.

 

[cgg]

Could you try a 'goose neck' style wing? Like the one is this post.

 

[TVR27]

Maybe something like the Ford Indigo

 

[citroengt1]

Could you try a 'goose neck' style wing? Like the one is this post.

Ill try something, but i have to improvise the design of the goose neck style a bit better.
The picture you posted, the ca has a racing style spoiler, so wouldn't fit the taste.

Ford Indigo?
Looks interesting, but that's a hot rod/open wheel car.

 

[cgg]

The main point of the that wing design is the straight line stability that it creates/improves. If you can just put the fins on the along the top of the wing without the long neck stays, it should have the same/similar effect.

 

[sk8er913]

Can someone update me on the last 10 pages, in 2 or 3 sentences?