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I've completed the poll. Well, to be honest, I just filled the poll from my point of view what would be better for the car.
Again Nessy did some awesome sketches and made cars I want to drive. I can't hide my happyness to see those cars and hoping to see one of them in real life, as a 3d model, or maybe....whenever, in a GT-game. Thats my start for filling the car with my most favourite components.
Rotation-engine, because it's compact, makes a lovely sound and can produce the same horsie-powers out of a smaller engine, less volume/cc's, compared with what a 'normal' 4 cylinder can do. Put a turbo charger to it, and a smart hybride system (in-wheel) and you've a dream of a drive-train, together with a more civilized 6 speed sequential gearbox.
It's early to do, but that's my wishlist for Santa this year. And hopefully, not unrealistic.
Again Nessy did some awesome sketches and made cars I want to drive. I can't hide my happyness to see those cars and hoping to see one of them in real life, as a 3d model, or maybe....whenever, in a GT-game. Thats my start for filling the car with my most favourite components.
Rotation-engine, because it's compact, makes a lovely sound and can produce the same horsie-powers out of a smaller engine, less volume/cc's, compared with what a 'normal' 4 cylinder can do. Put a turbo charger to it, and a smart hybride system (in-wheel) and you've a dream of a drive-train, together with a more civilized 6 speed sequential gearbox.
It's early to do, but that's my wishlist for Santa this year. And hopefully, not unrealistic.
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Three days? That sound good with everyone?
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Let's not be too quick to determine an end date for the Poll just yet. Maybe the more important question is how many Voters are needed for us to be confident that the results are valid and that the results truly reflect the wishes of the Community?
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Give it more time. We'll need all the input we can get.
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Looks like things are shaping up wonderfully! Thank you, @wvmgmidget , and of course everyone else. This is so awesome.
Decided to answer the poll with my own personal preferences on actual motors in a sort-of do-anything way; hope the responses help
Decided to answer the poll with my own personal preferences on actual motors in a sort-of do-anything way; hope the responses help
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From a car design point I would tend to agree on a number of these things in general. However if we look to the car industry and see what is taking place in the most modern cars, we can see what we need. Many new cars have 8 or even 9 speed gearboxes as it means the car will be more fuel efficient. It's the same with the hybrid system. To keep to the theme of Vision Gran Turismo I think these features HAVE to be implemented as they are the future of automotive design.
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For a racingcar it isn't really helpfull to have more then 6 transmissions, you don't have time for revving the engine up to 6000tpm before you have to brake again. An 8 or 9 speed gearbox would make sense for a diesel engine, but for a petrol/hybrid racer, i don't see why we need so many gears to go through.
Otherwise, would a dsg/msg kind off gearboxx an idea? A sort of a dual gearbox? 6 manual gears for sequential shifting, 2 or 3 for the hybrid system. I call it the HB-gears from now on. Those HB-gears you only will use when the car isn't in racing mode while you are accelerating BUT they can be used by braking / decreasing speeds slowly. Also a good way for using the hb-gears (1st gear) for the pit limiter.
In Sport (semi-race) mode you have the ability to choose between 3 configurations:
-Manual + HB. 8 or 9 speed, the hb gears are available for up & downshifting + shortshifting into a hb-gear, downshift automatically to a manual gear and accelerating faster out a corner without burning rubber.
-Manual. 6 speed gearbox, sequential, without any help of the hb-gears and hybride engine. Maybe a smart way to recharge your battery if it's possible to change gearbox-style in game, during a race.
- HB- 2 or 3 speed *fully* electric racing. Using the engine now as range extender on a permanent low rev, for example just 800tpm, no more fuel = no more range extender. And that with the option to do no fuel pitstops, would make it a very cool e-endurance (tiny) championship contender.
So, besides we are aiming for a hybrid engined car, it could be a double hybride when the gearbox itself is also a hybrid.
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Besides, what I'm imagine now, wouldn't be wrong that a 8 or 9 speed gearbox is actually also a silent muscle killer for people who drive without steering wheel? Shifting up and down all the time with L1 & R1 was annoying me sometimes by races more than 10 laps. For users with a steering wheel it's a bit easier, but there the material would last a little bit shorter when you drive this car all the time?
I know it's maybe thinking too far and nothing is sure yet about our VGT and the chance that our car could be implented, but I think, if we are making a VGT, we have to consider anything very wisely.
Otherwise, would a dsg/msg kind off gearboxx an idea? A sort of a dual gearbox? 6 manual gears for sequential shifting, 2 or 3 for the hybrid system. I call it the HB-gears from now on. Those HB-gears you only will use when the car isn't in racing mode while you are accelerating BUT they can be used by braking / decreasing speeds slowly. Also a good way for using the hb-gears (1st gear) for the pit limiter.
In Sport (semi-race) mode you have the ability to choose between 3 configurations:
-Manual + HB. 8 or 9 speed, the hb gears are available for up & downshifting + shortshifting into a hb-gear, downshift automatically to a manual gear and accelerating faster out a corner without burning rubber.
-Manual. 6 speed gearbox, sequential, without any help of the hb-gears and hybride engine. Maybe a smart way to recharge your battery if it's possible to change gearbox-style in game, during a race.
- HB- 2 or 3 speed *fully* electric racing. Using the engine now as range extender on a permanent low rev, for example just 800tpm, no more fuel = no more range extender. And that with the option to do no fuel pitstops, would make it a very cool e-endurance (tiny) championship contender.
So, besides we are aiming for a hybrid engined car, it could be a double hybride when the gearbox itself is also a hybrid.
Edit :
Besides, what I'm imagine now, wouldn't be wrong that a 8 or 9 speed gearbox is actually also a silent muscle killer for people who drive without steering wheel? Shifting up and down all the time with L1 & R1 was annoying me sometimes by races more than 10 laps. For users with a steering wheel it's a bit easier, but there the material would last a little bit shorter when you drive this car all the time?
I know it's maybe thinking too far and nothing is sure yet about our VGT and the chance that our car could be implented, but I think, if we are making a VGT, we have to consider anything very wisely.
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Brilliant! Yes, well said. Do you have an interest in becoming our "Software Publication Manager"? We still need to fill that position. Check the OP for the Position Description. If PD does not have an interest in this Project....then that person's role is to contact Forza, GTA, DriveClub, AssettoCorsa, Project Cars, RaceRoom, GSCE, rFactor and iRacing to gauge their interest.....................👍
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While a 6 speed gearbox sounds good because, I suppose because it has a balance between too many and too few of gears, and it sounds traditional, I think an 8 speed would be as, if not more effective than a 6 speed mainly due to benefits in efficiency, and extra speeds allow for more effective acceleration and top speed performance.
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High-count gearboxes are becoming the norm with modern cars. They can be extremely beneficial, especially from a performance perspective. More gears allow better use of the power band.
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This is the main reason Ford went along with developing a 10-Speed automatic for the next F-150. More speeds=better efficiency.
BMWs, Rolls Royces, and Bentleys currently use an 8 speed, and future Maserati vehicles will soon join in the crowd.
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Good comment! Let me clarify: I have no authority to place anyone in any position.....👍 The "Software Publication Manager" Position is an electable position as stated in the OP. So, if someone has an interest to fill the "Software Publication Manager" position, or if someone wishes to Nominate a person to fill that Position, then per the OP, they should contact @LosCules24SFA . If more than one person applies to fill an electable Position, then there will be an election.........
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Kind of breaking the current subject of concern, but I have noticed that seeing how we are making a MR hybrid vehicle, the car might end up being very rear end heavy. Would it hurt to add something like ballast to the front of the car?
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Put the battery (unless were using structural batteries) there, pretty decent ballast.
Ah rightGood comment! Let me clarify: I have no authority to place anyone in any position.....👍 The "Software Publication Manager" Position is an electable position as stated in the OP. So, if someone has an interest to fill the "Software Publication Manager" position, or if someone wishes to Nominate a person to fill that Position, then per the OP, they should contact @LosCules24SFA . If more than one person applies to fill an electable Position, then there will be an election.........
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So far nothing has changed
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This also helps with the 2 Stroke Engine. Because 2 Strokes are prone to having specific power bands, an 8 speed gearboxes will allow us to use this power band more effectively, giving us power that is more usable.
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Why can't we have a standard 4 stroke?
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Boring
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Alright it's been a while since I crafted up a design, and so, as a result of mashing up designs together ( @787bcgr 's core design cue, @Nessy's concept design shaping, my old GTP-VGT15 body styling, and much more), this was the result:
Reminds me of a frog.
Thoughts?
That figure in the upper left shows an attempt at making an active aero gooseneck spoiler.
Reminds me of a frog.
Thoughts?
That figure in the upper left shows an attempt at making an active aero gooseneck spoiler.
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Because Community voted in a previously held Poll that it doesn't want a standard 4-stroke. This is, after all a Community designed car.....👍
Now, that being said, we are currently polling the community to determine if they have an interest in amending any of the currently approved features including "# of strokes", so cast your vote here.......
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EgKukWZoM_YFqesAtD3pySEh3eh88nstUPLzmzo0JZg/viewform?c=0&w=1
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Hey guys, been following this thread for a good while, but haven't commented until now. I just had a couple of things I wanted to ask/add.
1. Has a decision been made on whether it's going to be a chainsaw-style "total loss" 2 stroke, where the engine oil is mixed with the gas? Or is it going to be a forced induction, sump-style 2 stroke? I ask because that's going to make a big difference in how the car comes out.
Personally, I think a little, sump-style, makes the most sense for this application since total loss engines burn tons of oil and create a lot of pollution which sort of goes against the whole hybrid idea. Something like a 1.0L, 3-cylinder, supercharged, sump-style engine would be great.
Actually! An electric supercharger would work perfectly for what's trying to be done! It wouldn't draw nearly the kind of power from the engine that a normal one would and fits really well with the bleeding edge tech that you guys seem to be going for.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a8965/why-electric-superchargers-make-sense-now/
Edit: One more thing I'd like to add is that it's important to remember that a 2-stroke is going to make a lot more power than a comparably sized 4-stroke. If you have a 1.4L i4 that makes 100 hp, the equivalent 2-stroke is going to be putting out something like 180-200 hp. This is because you have a power stroke every cycle, instead of every other cycle. This means you don't need nearly the same sized engine you would in a normal car to get the desired 300 hp. especially if it's going to have a hybrid system as well.
2. Is the car going to be a road car, or a race car? I ask because if it's going to be a road car I don't think the proposed wing would really work. There would be pretty much no rearward visibility at all, unless you guys want to try and integrate some kind of camera system into the car...which could be cool.
1. Has a decision been made on whether it's going to be a chainsaw-style "total loss" 2 stroke, where the engine oil is mixed with the gas? Or is it going to be a forced induction, sump-style 2 stroke? I ask because that's going to make a big difference in how the car comes out.
Personally, I think a little, sump-style, makes the most sense for this application since total loss engines burn tons of oil and create a lot of pollution which sort of goes against the whole hybrid idea. Something like a 1.0L, 3-cylinder, supercharged, sump-style engine would be great.
Actually! An electric supercharger would work perfectly for what's trying to be done! It wouldn't draw nearly the kind of power from the engine that a normal one would and fits really well with the bleeding edge tech that you guys seem to be going for.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a8965/why-electric-superchargers-make-sense-now/
Edit: One more thing I'd like to add is that it's important to remember that a 2-stroke is going to make a lot more power than a comparably sized 4-stroke. If you have a 1.4L i4 that makes 100 hp, the equivalent 2-stroke is going to be putting out something like 180-200 hp. This is because you have a power stroke every cycle, instead of every other cycle. This means you don't need nearly the same sized engine you would in a normal car to get the desired 300 hp. especially if it's going to have a hybrid system as well.
2. Is the car going to be a road car, or a race car? I ask because if it's going to be a road car I don't think the proposed wing would really work. There would be pretty much no rearward visibility at all, unless you guys want to try and integrate some kind of camera system into the car...which could be cool.
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In Phase 3.5 there will be an opportunity to for the Community to vote on what type of 2-Stroke they desire. So you'll want to lobby for the technology you describe.
Keep in mind however, that we are currently Polling the community to see if they have an interest in revisiting the current component specifications for possible revision. That includes the current 2-Stroke Spec. Here's the Poll:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1EgKukWZoM_YFqesAtD3pySEh3eh88nstUPLzmzo0JZg/viewform?c=0&w=1
You can find more details on the Phased Process in the updated OP..........👍
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Kind of a strange question, but do you think it would be a nice addition if someone designed the engine?
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