(GTOR) | [GTTCC-3] Gran Turismo Touring Car Championship S3 - xflow1390 takes back to back titles!Finished

[xflow1390]

One thing that irritated me a bit was seeing people starting on SM and pitting after only 1 or 2 laps. I know that there is nothing in the rules that says you can't do it, so I don't blame anyone for choosing that strategy, I just think that it's a bit cheeky really.

cant argue with this, it is a bit cheeky, but in my short working out it was the quicker strategy.
but as you proved it probably wasn't, 30 seconds to gain over a 1 stop left me needing to push a bit to hard come the end, but I was happier pushing hard than potentially making mistakes on SM.

 

[Pamellaaa]

One thing that irritated me a bit was seeing people starting on SM and pitting after only 1 or 2 laps. I know that there is nothing in the rules that says you can't do it, so I don't blame anyone for choosing that strategy, I just think that it's a bit cheeky really.

That's what me and @xflow1390 did, just seemed logical for me as the SS don't go off quickly enough to make time on the SMs worthwhile if you are two stopping. Minimising the time spent on them was the most sensible option. The SMs might be more competitive with tyre wear on fast cutting down the amount of laps you get from the SS.....

I did a long stint on SM at Laguna before switching to the SS and I was fairly pleased with the outcome. Your mistake probably helped you win last week.

I think on balance I would have been about the same doing more laps on the mediums and taking one less pit stop, mathematically that was the best way so it should have been better than my eventual strategy but I found I made more mistakes on the SMs so it would probably have evened out, could have been close though!

 

[Ian_83]

cant argue with this, it is a bit cheeky, but in my short working out it was the quicker strategy.
but as you proved it probably wasn't, 30 seconds to gain over a 1 stop left me needing to push a bit to hard come the end, but I was happier pushing hard than potentially making mistakes on SM.

Yep, I made the better call and it paid off. So I'm not bitter about your decision at all. I just think that we should all have to endure the misery of rubbish tyres for a while.

It's just not entirely fair that the mandatory compound change only lasts for 1 lap. Where is the skill in that?..... Other than having to claw back 30 seconds on SS, which looks like good fun.

 

[Pamellaaa]

Yep, I made the better call and it paid off. So I'm not bitter about your decision at all. I just think that we should all have to endure the misery of rubbish tyres for a while.

It's just not entirely fair that the mandatory compound change only lasts for 1 lap. Where is the skill in that?..... Other than having to claw back 30 seconds on SS, which looks like good fun.

I think the problem is the Softs are too good, if you can do over half a race on tyre heavy track in the tyre heaviest car on the soft option something isn't right.

I honestly think it would be better to have wear on fast to spice things up a bit, maybe say the pit lane isn't open for 5 mins at the start and end of the race as well?

@True-blue-8?

 

[Storm_SP17]

Ok, so when I'm doing mid 16's and a PB of 1:16.2's in the Volvo, AND it was with an extra 30kg... I'm in the wrong car...

 

[True-blue-8]

I think the problem is the Softs are too good, if you can do over half a race on tyre heavy track in the tyre heaviest car on the soft option something isn't right.

I honestly think it would be better to have wear on fast to spice things up a bit, maybe say the pit lane isn't open for 5 mins at the start and end of the race as well?

@True-blue-8?

the main problem I have with that is the Rear wheel drive cars really are better that way. They'll be too good on the tyres

but I think a 15/20 min window sounds good

 

[Pamellaaa]

Ok, so when I'm doing mid 16's and a PB of 1:16.2's in the Volvo, AND it was with an extra 30kg... I'm in the wrong car...

It suits the track well, the Golf and the Integra don't particularly.

 

[Ian_83]

I think the problem is the Softs are too good, if you can do over half a race on tyre heavy track in the tyre heaviest car on the soft option something isn't right.

I honestly think it would be better to have wear on fast to spice things up a bit, maybe say the pit lane isn't open for 5 mins at the start and end of the race as well?

@True-blue-8?

The only reason I did such a long stint on the SS was because I knew how much slower I was going to be per lap on the SM.

I'm also finding that the SM tyres don't actually last much longer than the SS, probably because I'm pushing too hard on the SM in order to do the fastest laps possible and overheating them mid-corner.

Tyre wear rate and the drop-off in pace seems good. I just think we need ac closed pit lane for the first and final 10 minutes of the race. At least then we all have to show our skill on the SM.

 

[Pamellaaa]

the main problem I have with that is the Rear wheel drive cars really are better that way. They'll be too good on the tyres

but I think a 15/20 min window sounds good

I honestly don't think this will be as bad as you think, both endurance races have been won by FF cars and the wear on them hasn't been that much worse than the FRs if at all. I just think that at the moment the SM is too much of a penalty and not really something you would choose as a strategy which is a shame.

 

[True-blue-8]

I honestly don't think this will be as bad as you think, both endurance races have been won by FF cars and the wear on them hasn't been that much worse than the FRs if at all. I just think that at the moment the SM is too much of a penalty and not really something you would choose as a strategy which is a shame.

no. however we tested it in pre-season for race 2. The FR cars could drive an extra 15 mins before they fell to pieces

 

[Ian_83]

It suits the track well, the Golf and the Integra don't particularly.

This. 👍

The Volvo is the best car for that track. I tried other cars myself earlier and I found the Volvo better at Rome than any other. Every time I try the Citroen on a track (tried it on several now) I find that the Citroen is quicker, the only exception so far has been Rome. I tried the Citroen earlier arouhnd Rome and for the 1st time ever I wanted to get back into the Volvo.

 

[Pamellaaa]

no. however we tested it in pre-season for race 2. The FR cars could drive an extra 15 mins before they fell to pieces

I just don't understand how the wear can be pretty much even on normal and then have a huge gap on fast, if they are close to even on one they should be close on another.

It will all be track/car/driver specific anyway I suppose. I am just a bit gutted that we don't have the sort of strategy calls where someone might go SM/SM/SS and drive carefully to make the tyres last while someone else goes SS/SS/SS/SM pushing hard the whole way.

 

[Ian_83]

I honestly don't think this will be as bad as you think, both endurance races have been won by FF cars and the wear on them hasn't been that much worse than the FRs if at all. I just think that at the moment the SM is too much of a penalty and not really something you would choose as a strategy which is a shame.

Maybe a lack of fast FR drivers at the first round might have had something to do with it too.

 

[Pamellaaa]

This. 👍

The Volvo is the best car for that track. I tried other cars myself earlier and I found the Volvo better at Rome than any other. Every time I try the Citroen on a track (tried it on several now) I find that the Citroen is quicker, the only exception so far has been Rome. I tried the Citroen earlier arouhnd Rome and for the 1st time ever I wanted to get back into the Volvo.

Citroen is probably the next best car as well, it's a big power track and the Volvo has plenty of that, will be interesting to see how you and Evo cope with penalties come Wednesday

 

[Ian_83]

Citroen is probably the next best car as well, it's a big power track and the Volvo has plenty of that, will be interesting to see how you and Evo cope with penalties come Wednesday

I've just had a great idea. How about scrapping penalties? 👍 eh eh?

Ahh well, it was worth a try.

 

[Pamellaaa]

Maybe a lack of fast FR drivers at the first round might have had something to do with it too.

Still I don't think wear has been a factor, even the FR today pitted more than the FF, used the softer tyres for more of the race and still didn't win, I think we might have misinterpreted the early test a bit because I really don't think the wear is that much different between the two layouts.

 

[True-blue-8]

I just don't understand how the wear can be pretty much even on normal and then have a huge gap on fast, if they are close to even on one they should be close on another.

It will all be track/car/driver specific anyway I suppose. I am just a bit gutted that we don't have the sort of strategy calls where someone might go SM/SM/SS and drive carefully to make the tyres last while someone else goes SS/SS/SS/SM pushing hard the whole way.

on normal it is so minute you hardly notice it. however on fast then it really starts to make a difference

 

[Pamellaaa]

on normal it is so minute you hardly notice it. however on fast then it really starts to make a difference

I guess it would make it more obvious, I might run a test tomorrow if I get some time while I am not at work

 

[Ian_83]

It's isn't the actual amount of tyre wear that's the problem, it's the drop-off in actual lap time between the two drivetrains. With a good driver in an FR, the grip remains good for longer.

 

[NinjaEvo]

It's isn't the actual amount of tyre wear that's the problem, it's the drop-off in actual lap time between the two drivetrains. With a good driver in an FR, the grip remains good for longer.

It's the fact that Mediums are awful. Put it this way, why would I box for Mediums and lose 35 seconds when after 35 laps I'm 2 tenths off of the fresh Medium Pace? A set of Softs will be as fast or faster than Mediums until you get down to about a 5.

Fronts were on 4/7, Rears were on 5/7 for anyone who is wondering.

 

[Ian_83]

It's the fact that Mediums are awful. Put it this way, why would I box for Mediums and lose 35 seconds when after 35 laps I'm 2 tenths off of the fresh Medium Pace? A set of Softs will be as fast or faster than Mediums until you get down to about a 5.

Fronts were on 4/7, Rears were on 5/7 for anyone who is wondering.

I'm not disagreeing with you. The difference in the two compounds is huge. I ran the SS for as long as possible too.

 

[NinjaEvo]

I'm not disagreeing with you. The difference in the two compounds is huge. I ran the SS for as long as possible too.

I know, I'm not actually sure why I quoted your post to be honest...

I'm sleepy, ignore me...

 

[Ian_83]

I know, I'm not actually sure why I quoted your post to be honest...

I'm sleepy, ignore me...

I usually do.

 

[Storm_SP17]

I know, I'm not actually sure why I quoted your post to be honest...

I'm sleepy, ignore me...

Sorry mate, I got distracted watching paint dry... Did you say something?

 

[NinjaEvo]

Meh, you all suck...



Don't ask me why I'm posting this, but it's still awesome...

 

[Mikey24]

Meh, you all suck...



Don't ask me why I'm posting this, but it's still awesome...

Oosh. 👍

 

[Storm_SP17]

It's isn't the actual amount of tyre wear that's the problem, it's the drop-off in actual lap time between the two drivetrains. With a good driver in an FR, the grip remains good for longer.

I have always thought of this as being a thing to consider. It's why in the GTES stuff I was always annoyed that people testing would only consider pace over one lap compared to overall pace based on the effect the tyre wear has on drop-off in time.

 

[NinjaEvo]

I have always thought of this as being a thing to consider. It's why in the GTES stuff I was always annoyed that people testing would only consider pace over one lap compared to overall pace based on the effect the tyre wear has on drop-off in time.

Yup, but since we didn't and we ran some ridiculously long stints we won... 👍

 

[Storm_SP17]

Yup, but since we didn't and we ran some ridiculously long stints we won... 👍

This is true. 👍

I think that's why the GT Cup class whittled down to two cars in the end, that and the 2 dropped cars were largely poor to drive in comparison. I'm just surprised that PASM could only manage the time he did for the VW Scirocco in testing, considering the pace he had in GT3...

 

[Ian_83]

I have always thought of this as being a thing to consider. It's why in the GTES stuff I was always annoyed that people testing would only consider pace over one lap compared to overall pace based on the effect the tyre wear has on drop-off in time.

Yep, being mega fast is great for qualifying and for fastest lap points. But overall race pace is much more important especially when tyre wear is involved the rate that the pace can drop-off is not to be overlooked.

That's why when I practice for a race, I try to take my tyres to the extreme.

At Rome I got the front tyres down to 2/2 and I was setting laps of 1:20+ just to see what would happen. I learnt how far I could expect the tyres to go before I began to suffer too much.......and then went a bit further so that I was used to well worn tyres. After running with such bad tyres SM felt great.