GTP Alternative Cool Wall: 1949-present AK-47

[Mike-ZENKAI]

In my humble opinion guns don't kill. The one pulling the trigger is.

The AK47 is a very well designed gun that will always work and still is in use world wide after +60 years.
It has changed a lot of countries and is the only gun used in a national flag that I know of. So I think it's SZ.

I had the change to shoot a North Korean built AK47 while overseas and it was quite impressive compared to more modern weaponary.

 

[Roger the Horse]

the one pulling the trigger uses the gun to kill.

Guns can discharge accidentally. That can kill people without anyone necessarily pulling the trigger.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

the one pulling the trigger uses the gun to kill.

Guns can discharge accidentally. That can kill people without anyone necessarily pulling the trigger.

Oke, but so many things can kill people accidentally.

Cars, trucks, trains, kitchen appliances, chainshaws, fireworks, meteoric stones, lightning, etc.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Yes, but the difference is that terrorists don't tend to storm embassies armed with kitchen appliances.

 

[Sage Ages]

What about the AK-74M then? It is used for fighting terrorists/criminals, not by them.

Nawp. It's invented to protect the country it was made in, and it makes this well.

Seriously Uncool because black rifle.

Yes, but the difference is that terrorists don't tend to storm embassies armed with kitchen appliances.

True. I don't think the uncool thing should apply to every gun, though.

 

[Mike-ZENKAI]

Yes, but the difference is that terrorists don't tend to storm embassies armed with kitchen appliances.

No, not yet, but I do believe it happend with some planes and trucks in the past...

Still, this was just my opinion. I think the AK47 is a legendary weapon and a piece of history.
And that's why it is SZ, IMO.

 

[kennylmao]

The fact that people are trying to kill you and your countrymen is uncool.

Are you saying that when someone wants to kill you and your countrymen, there's some reason behind it and that reason is actually your fault? or are you saying that you just intend to let them kill you?

True. I don't think the uncool thing should apply to every gun, though.

Messerschmidt ME262. Your thoughts? (Nomination thread needs to reopen man, haha)

 

[JAHHAJ]

Are you saying that when someone wants to kill you and your countrymen, there's some reason behind it and that reason is actually your fault? or are you saying that you just intend to let them kill you?

No, I'm just saying that it's not cool.

 

[JMoney]

Messerschmidt ME262. Your thoughts? (Nomination thread needs to reopen man, haha)

Seriously Uncool because it was used by Nazis, along with all other German WWII war machines. The concept of a jet fighter is cool, and the ME262 would be Sub-Zero had it been used by any other country. The swastiza on the tail kills it.

 

[Exorcet]

But the gun was invented to kill/injure people, which makes it uncool.

I don't see why that would impact your perception on the gun itself though.

Seriously Uncool because it was by Nazis, along with all other German WWII war machines. The concept of a jet fighter is cool, and the ME262 would be Sub-Zero had it been used by any other country. The swastiza on the tail kills it.

I was thinking about this example the whole time. The Me-262 being an Nazi weapon has as little bearing as the fact that the Ak-47 is used by terrorists every so often. The 262 was the best fighter in the world at the time. The AK-47 is a gun with a long and rich history. I think those are the points that matter the most.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Hearing the AK47 already made my day, SZ, music to my ear

 

[Sage Ages]

I don't see why that would impact your perception on the gun itself though.


I was thinking about this example the whole time. The Me-262 being an Nazi weapon has as little bearing as the fact that the Ak-47 is used by terrorists every so often. The 262 was the best fighter in the world at the time. The AK-47 is a gun with a long and rich history. I think those are the points that matter the most.

If you were flying a nazi plane, people will think you're a nazi. If you had an AK-47, people will think you're Ice Cube. Being good as a weapon has almost nothing to do with it being cool.

 

[Bopop4]

Seriously Uncool because it was by Nazis, along with all other German WWII war machines.

Wow that's ignorant.

 

[Sage Ages]

Wow that's ignorant.

Nobody is gonna look at something used by the Nazis and say "this is cool." They'd give you weird looks.

 

[JMoney]

Wow that's ignorant.

You care to explain why? I know plenty about the ME262, it was the fastest fighter at the time and I think it was a great engineering achievement and an awesome plane. In fact, it's one of my favorite aircraft. I have similar opinions of the MP40 and Stielhandgranate. But are they cool? No, they are not. They are fascist. And fascism is probably the most uncool political and social ideology in history. Anything the Nazi government built, especially for the war, is uncool.

But I'm not discussing this further here. PM me and anyone else you'd like to call ignorant. We're supposed to be talking about the AK-47, which IS cool.

Hearing the AK47 already made my day, SZ, music to my ear

It does sound incredible. Like the Jaguar F-Type of guns.

 

[DK]

To be fair, nobody really cared about the T-34's Soviet origins when it was polled.

 

[Sage Ages]

PM me and anyone else you'd like to call ignorant. We're supposed to be talking about the AK-47, which IS cool.

If it wasn't so popular with criminals and terrorists, then yes.

 

[JMoney]

If it wasn't so popular with criminals and terrorists, then yes.

The thing is I can get over unofficial usage by criminals and terrorists; they aren't really as evil as the Nazis were.

To be fair, nobody really cared about the T-34's Soviet origins when it was polled.

The USSR is a different story altogether, and while it was a terrible government, the T34 was used against the Nazis, making it cooler.

 

[Sage Ages]

The thing is I can get over unofficial usage by criminals and terrorists; they aren't really as evil as the Nazis were.

Terrorists are pretty damn evil. It doesn't make them cool.

 

[JMoney]

Terrorists are pretty damn evil. It doesn't make them cool.

I'm not saying they are, but they didn't build the AK-47, they just bought and used them (or given them by us). It's like judging BMW's based on their drivers, when really there's nothing wrong with the car.

 

[Sage Ages]

It's still uncool by association.

 

[GranTurismo916]

If I based coolness on association, there would be way too many things I'd vote SU on.

 

[Sage Ages]

Even then, military weapons are often just plain uncool.

 

[Bopop4]

Nobody is gonna look at something used by the Nazis and say "this is cool." They'd give you weird looks.

A 262, 190, and Panther are all cool.
Go to an airshow to see how cool a Zero or Dora is.

You care to explain why?

I would but then I'd be wasting my breath.
It only takes looking at a few posts in this thread or several other threads to prove that it's not worth the bother.

I guess a Beetle is uncool then, or an I-15, or a type X X I submarine, or the entire Japanese auto industry for that matter.

 

[Exorcet]

If you were flying a nazi plane, people will think you're a nazi.

Maybe in 1945.



There are enough of them flying at airshows. I don't think those are secret Nazi conventions. They're not unpopular in the virtual world either.

If you had an AK-47, people will think you're Ice Cube.

Maybe if all they did was watch TV.

Being good as a weapon has almost nothing to do with it being cool.

I think it matters far more than association (which I wouldn't count at all), but I'm not really arguing ratings so much.

You care to explain why?

What gets me is that thinking the Me-262 is uncool because Nazis sounds a lot like saying the AK-47 is uncool because terrorists/war, but you were against the second thing.

I know plenty about the ME262, it was the fastest fighter at the time and I think it was a great engineering achievement and an awesome plane. In fact, it's one of my favorite aircraft. I have similar opinions of the MP40 and Stielhandgranate. But are they cool? No, they are not. They are fascist. And fascism is probably the most uncool political and social ideology in history. Anything the Nazi government built, especially for the war, is uncool.

None of those are fascist. They were built by fascists. Then they were captured by all the non fascists and used by those same non fascists.

 

[niky]

If it wasn't so popular with criminals and terrorists, then yes.

Welp... there goes the cool wall ratings of the Toyota Hilux, Microsoft Flight Simulator, smartphones, Nokias (great detonators!), Skype, Twitter... and the Internet in general.

Like I said, though... the AK47 is popular with terrorists for the same reason it's popular with freedom fighters. Cheap, easy to use, easy to fix.

Rebels with AK47s took out Gaddafi.

Israeli soldiers have used AK47s.

American soldiers have used AK47s, in Vietnam.

As such, any association it may have with any particular group is relatively neutral. The Hilux was made by free people... didn't stop it from becoming a terrorist weapon. The Beetle was commissioned by the most evil fascist in the world, didn't stop it from becoming a symbol of peace and equality in the 60's.

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Still... the AK47 is undoubtedly iconic. Perhaps the only modern firearm to become so. But whether that makes it "cool" or not... still on the fence.

 

[Sage Ages]

Maybe in 1945.



There are enough of them flying at airshows. I don't think those are secret Nazi conventions. They're not unpopular in the virtual world either.

None of those are fascist. They were built by fascists. Then they were captured by all the non fascists and used by those same non fascists.

Okay, I guess you have a bit of a point, but the giant swastika on the back isn't really helping out.

I guess a Beetle is uncool then,

A car isn't really that comparable to a military plane. Sure the connection is there, but it didn't last long before that died out and unlike the plane and the AK, it isn't a notorious killing machine.

 

[Bopop4]

You mean the car designed by the same guy who designed tank turrets?

Ok, got it.

 

[Leggy1]

Okay, I guess you have a bit of a point, but the giant swastika on the back isn't really helping out.

That isn't a swastika, it's the symbol of the German Air Force or military as a whole. It's on modern planes such as the Eurofighter, which have nothing to do with the Nazi party.

Edit: on closer inspection there is also a Swastika.

 

[JMoney]

I would but then I'd be wasting my breath.
It only takes looking at a few posts in this thread or several other threads to prove that it's not worth the bother.

I guess a Beetle is uncool then, or an I-15, or a type X X I submarine, or the entire Japanese auto industry for that matter.

Right. My accused ignorance of cars means I MUST be ignorance of WWII aircraft as well. The Beetle isn't uncool for the reason it was designed by Nazi's (after all, it wasn't built by them), it's uncool because it's ugly, underpowered, and overrated. The I-15 is a Soviet aircraft, not a Nazi one. No idea what your reasoning was there. The XX1 is uncool for that reason, and the Japanese Auto Industry example was such crap I'm not even going to respond to it.

What gets me is that thinking the Me-262 is uncool because Nazis sounds a lot like saying the AK-47 is uncool because terrorists/war, but you were against the second thing.

Again, Terrorists didn't build AK-47's, they are only using them. And as Niky pointed out, so are freedom fighters. The MP40 is directly related to the Nazis, while the AK-47 is not directly related to terrorism.

None of those are fascist. They were built by fascists. Then they were captured by all the non fascists and used by those same non fascists.

Of course weapons aren't actually fascists, they are merely assemblies of metal and wooden parts. But being designed and assembled by fascists makes them uncool.