GTP Alternative Cool Wall: 1949-present AK-47

[Bopop4]

Right. My accused ignorance of cars means I MUST be ignorance of WWII aircraft as well.

Where did I say that, oh wait, nowhere.
The ignorance comes from this.

The Beetle isn't uncool for the reason it was designed by Nazi's (after all, it wasn't built by them), it's uncool because it's ugly, underpowered, and overrated. The I-15 is a Soviet aircraft, not a Nazi one. No idea what your reasoning was there. The XX1 is uncool for that reason, and the Japanese Auto Industry example was such crap I'm not even going to respond to it.

And that proves my point perfectly.

You've proved time and time again that anything that isn't "Merican" is uncool in your eyes, with no reason other than it's from another country. You don't even try to learn about a car before making a blanket judgement based on incorrect notions of its country of origin.

The avatar doesn't help it either.







Can't make mind up on the AK, timeless design has been hyped, but nevertheless a good weapon.
Just missed out on WW2 so it loses that coolness factor, and I don't like to vote meh.

 

[JMoney]

Where did I say that, oh wait, nowhere.
The ignorance comes from this.

And that proves my point perfectly.

You've proved time and time again that anything that isn't "Merican" is uncool in your eyes, with no reason other than it's from another country. You don't even try to learn about a car before making a blanket judgement based on incorrect notions of its country of origin.

The avatar doesn't help it either.

What the 🤬 did I just read? Do you need me to go through a list of all the non-american cars I've voted cool on? Or all the non-american Alternate Cool Wall posts? My favorite car brand isn't even American, it's German. My second favorite isn't American either, it's Italian.

Now many GTP users have accused me of voting based only on engine size, or horsepower, which makes a little sense, but this is a new one. I just voted Sub-Zero on the AK-47. I just said it was better than the American M16. What in the world are you trying to accomplish by making such an accusation that is so clearly false?

Good grief, this is ridiculous. You call me ignorant when you don't even know what my opinion is. Your argument is so bad I'm starting to think it was just a lame joke to get me worked up.

 

[kennylmao]

No, I'm just saying that it's not cool.

K

Edit: I wonder, is Albert Einstein cool?

 

[Lizard]

Stielhandgranate..

I think you will find that was made at the end of WW1 so not a Nazi invention at all.

 

[Rage Racer]

Europeans, you're too military-phobic
Reminds me of this:

 

[Legro]

Europeans, you're too military-phobic

That's because after WW2 (West-)Germany, who pretty much leads the EU nowadays, had to be almost completely rebuilt. They managed to to do it, because they didn't focus on military.

 

[JMoney]

Europeans, you're too military-phobic
Reminds me of this:

I like how the Russians use simple engineering to build weapons that are cheap and can last. We Americans spend too much on our military, even though most of our vehicles are probably more effective than yours. The effectiveness hardly matters anymore anyway; the U.S. and Russia will probably never fight an actual war against each other.

 

[Exorcet]

Okay, I guess you have a bit of a point, but the giant swastika on the back isn't really helping out.

For what it's worth a swastika is a good symbol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

A car isn't really that comparable to a military plane. Sure the connection is there, but it didn't last long before that died out and unlike the plane and the AK, it isn't a notorious killing machine.

A fascist state doesn't run on weapons. It needs an economy and things as mundane as spoons. They all contribute to the state being what it is.

Again, Terrorists didn't build AK-47's, they are only using them. And as Niky pointed out, so are freedom fighters. The MP40 is directly related to the Nazis, while the AK-47 is not directly related to terrorism.

I don't think it matters much who built them. If Hitler personally invented the internet and the refrigerator I wouldn't care. I'd never want to live without them. No matter what Hitler's intentions were it wouldn't change any technical details nor how much good the inventions did, if any.

Also, in the case of the Me-262 you could even say it helped defeat the Nazis. Hitler kept spending the money to build them without using them correctly.

 

[JMoney]

For what it's worth a swastika is a good symbol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

 

[niky]

The Swastika is a holy symbol in several regions, and a potent symbol for luck.

Well, it was... which was why the Nazis co-opted it. And after they did, it fell completely out of favor.

 

[Northstar]

Seriously Uncool. I personally find it hard to find a gun cool as they usually don't have much going design wise so there really isn't much artistic value and they also don't usually have badass stories to go along with them like tanks and planes do. Those things are enough to make the AK uncool, the fact it's the Civic of the gun world knocks it down to seriously uncool.

 

[Sage Ages]

He is right. The Nazis just ended up screwing everyone over.

 

[JMoney]

The swastika WAS a good symbol. Now it isn't. It's similar to what happened to the rainbow; an ancient symbol was used for political purposes unrelated to the symbol's meaning, and now it is known for the political meaning rather than the original one.

On another note, Civics are primarily bad because they are ruined by their owners. There aren't any ricey modifications to an AK-47 (unless you are a COD fanatic and are afraid of noob tubes). I'd say the AK-47 is the Toyota pickup of guns; it's durable, old-fashioned, and everyone uses them.

 

[Bopop4]

What the 🤬 did I just read? Do you need me to go through a list of all the non-american cars I've voted cool on? Or all the non-american Alternate Cool Wall posts? My favorite car brand isn't even American, it's German. My second favorite isn't American either, it's Italian.

Now many GTP users have accused me of voting based only on engine size, or horsepower, which makes a little sense, but this is a new one. I just voted Sub-Zero on the AK-47. I just said it was better than the American M16. What in the world are you trying to accomplish by making such an accusation that is so clearly false?

Good grief, this is ridiculous. You call me ignorant when you don't even know what my opinion is. Your argument is so bad I'm starting to think it was just a lame joke to get me worked up.

And that proves my point perfectly.

I think you will find that was made at the end of WW1 so not a Nazi invention at all.

The swastika WAS a good symbol. Now it isn't. It's similar to what happened to the rainbow; an ancient symbol was used for political purposes unrelated to the symbol's meaning, and now it is known for the political meaning rather than the original one.

On another note, Civics are primarily bad because they are ruined by their owners. There aren't any ricey modifications to an AK-47 (unless you are a COD fanatic and are afraid of noob tubes).

So, wrong on all counts including a weapon of your choice were you could've taken 10 seconds to look it up to confirm if you knew what you were talking about.

And so you're comparing Nazism to homosexuality, my god I think we've come full circle.

Wow that's ignorant.

 

[JMoney]

So, wrong on all counts including a weapon of your choice were you could've taken 10 seconds to look it up to confirm if you knew what you were talking about.

And so you're comparing Nazism to homosexuality, my god I think we've come full circle.

Nope, I'm afraid you are wrong. I'm comparing rainbows to swastikas.

And despite my innacuracy on the Steilhandgranate, my point still stands; it was used solely by the Nazis during the war. Even if it had been previously used by Germans in WWI, it's still uncool.

Don't even try to tell me I'm wrong on all accounts. You just accused me of thinking everything non-American is uncool when I had just voted Sub-Zero on a Russian Gun in the same thread we are posting in. That's the biggest joke of an attack on my opinion I've ever seen on GTP. Every time you challenge me again, every time you call me ignorant, I'm going to mention that. The best thing you can do now is leave this debate before you say something even more self-destructive, but I'm not even sure that's possible.

 

[Lizard]

You just accused me of thinking everything non-American is uncool when I had just voted Sub-Zero on a Russian Gun in the same thread we are posting in. That's the biggest joke of an attack on my opinion I've ever seen on GTP. Every time you challenge me again, every time you call me ignorant, I'm going to mention that.

1 thing doesn't exactly prove your point. It would be like the government cutting an insignificant tax and raising every other tax and saying they are committed to cutting taxes and using that one example.

 

[JMoney]

1 thing doesn't exactly prove your point. It would be like the government cutting income tax and then raising it again and raising every other tax and saying they are committed to cutting taxes and using that one example.

I'm not trying to prove my point, I'm trying to point out hypocricy and thus dismantle false attacks made on me. And no matter how many inaccurate statements I make, and I admit I will make them, they'll never be that bad. Ever.

 

[Bopop4]

The best thing you can do now is leave this debate before you say something even more self-destructive, but I'm not even sure that's possible.

Have you even been reading what you're posting?
I don't even have to say anything, all I have to do is quote one of the many, many ignorant things you've posted in this thread.

The swastika WAS a good symbol. Now it isn't. It's similar to what happened to the rainbow; an ancient symbol was used for political purposes unrelated to the symbol's meaning, and now it is known for the political meaning rather than the original one.

I'm comparing rainbows to swastikas.

 

[JMoney]

Have you even been reading what you're posting?
I don't even have to say anything, all I have to do is quote one of the many, many ignorant things you've posted in this thread.

And by not explaining my ignorance, as usual, you are doing...what exactly?

Oh that's right, whenever to try to explain yourself, you end up saying something that is so obviously false. All you had to do was look at the poll results, or look up the first few posts I made here, but no. You said the I miss debating McLaren and LMS, those guys knew what they were doing. You? Not quite.

Better for you to quote me than explain things. Because according to you, the AK-47 must be American.

 

[Bopop4]

Oh that's right, whenever to try to explain yourself, you end up saying something that is so obviously false.

Incorrect, feel free to find a quote that says otherwise.

You said the I miss debating McLaren and LMS,

Incorrect, feel free to find a quote that says otherwise.

Because according to you, the AK-47 must be American.

And that literally makes no sense.

 

[GranTurismo916]

Because according to you, the AK-47 must be American.

What...what?

 

[Roger the Horse]

The rainbow became an apolitical symbol of love, equality, and freedom; the swastika became a political symbol of genocide, war crimes, and pyramid schemes. What the hell are you on about @JMoney689?

Now, BACK to the AK-47. You know, the Soviet Assault Rifle?

 

[JMoney]

@Roger the Horse The swastika originally had a different meaning before the Nazis used it, just as the Rainbow is a Christian-Jewish that represents God's word. So both symbols had ancient religious meanings before being used for political purposes for very different reasons.

Incorrect, feel free to find a quote that says otherwise.

And that literally makes no sense.

Really?

You've proved time and time again that anything that isn't "Merican" is uncool in your eyes, with no reason other than it's from another country. You don't even try to learn about a car before making a blanket judgement based on incorrect notions of its country of origin.

The avatar doesn't help it either.

What...what?

If only American things are cool to me, and I voted SZ on an AK-47, according to @Bopop4, that AK-47 must be American.

 

[Roger the Horse]

I am not aware of the rainbow being used as a political symbol, at least in the UK. As I said, it is used as an apolitical symbol to represent love, peace, respect, equality, freedom, understanding, and general awesomeness, but it is an apolitical symbol.

Unlike the AK-47. The AK-47 is a political symbol. It is a symbol of despot dictatorships oppressing their peoples. Massacring protesters. Killing people. It's less cool than the core of the sun.

 

[Rage Racer]

I like how the Russians use simple engineering to build weapons that are cheap and can last.

Kalashnikov used to say: "It is more difficult to design something simple".

Unlike the AK-47. The AK-47 is a political symbol. It is a symbol of despot dictatorships oppressing their peoples. Massacring protesters. Killing people. It's less cool than the core of the sun.

No. The AK is not a political symbol. It's the most common rifle in the world and is used by very various people. From rebels fighting for freedom against the oppressing regimes (like the one you've mentioned) to peacekeeping forces inspecting conflict zones under UN's order, and armies of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, India, Venezuela and others, who use AKs to protect the peace of their people. It's kinda weird to focus on the "bad" AK users only.
I think the AR-15 has a lot more negative associations than the AK.

 

[a6m5]

I don't know about AR having more negative association, but I do agree that perception of the AK has changed dramatically since the Cold War Era, at least IMO.

 

[niky]

The AK-47 is a political symbol. It is a symbol of despot dictatorships oppressing their peoples. Massacring protesters. Killing people. It's less cool than the core of the sun.

The AK-47 is a political symbol. It is a symbol of the oppressed rising up against the dictators, of the poor man taking on the rich man, of the natives throwing out their imperial overlords.

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Like I've said... the AK-47 has been used by almost everybody... you can't pin it down to any one group or ideology. And whether it is a symbol of fear or freedom depends on what end of the gun you're looking down.

 

[Jet Badger]

And all firearms and the whole concept behind them are the symbol of humans using their brains to find ways to willingly and efficiently maim and kill each other. The fact that we actually need guns to solve conflicts is seriously uncool on it's own.

 

[Exorcet]

And all firearms and the whole concept behind them are the symbol of humans using their brains to find ways to willingly and efficiently maim and kill each other.

I still contend that this has never been true.

 

[Jet Badger]

I still contend that this has never been true.

I'd argue that it is now and has been for awhile. Mention or show a firearm to any random person in the world and the first association they'll make will be that it's tool of war and to be used against other people. And rightfully so as that's indeed what they're best known for and with what in mind they are being developed, even though they can be and are used for a variety of other activities.