GTP Cool Wall: 1990-1993 Mitsubishi GTO / 3000GT

[Wiegert]

It may weigh about as much as a whale shark. But unlike later versions that lacked all the nifty '80s aero and steering gimmicks, it actually looked like it belonged on the road rather than in the Indian Ocean. Big beauty.

Cool.

 

[squadops]

I own an '89 starion esi-r and I love it to death, it's a tank with a truck engine It's something mitsu used to do and the vr4 is not much different to me, only newer.

I gave it a solid cool. There is something about driving them that you either like or don't, FAT.

 

[mustafur]

So it went from "the 3000GT was heavier because it was more technologically advanced than anything else", which it wasn't; to "the 3000GT was heavier because it was larger than its closest competitors and had a heavier drivetrain", which it wasn't appreciably and didn't; to "the 3000GT was heavier because the GT-R extensively used aluminum" which beyond the front fenders and hood it didn't; to (bizarrely), "the 3000GT was heavier because the interior was nicer than the GT-R's," which I suppose it was, but they didn't put 600 pounds of more stereo or better air conditioning into it and neither of them were horning in on an 500 SL or 840Ci.



When can we skip the middleman and get to how "the 3000GT was heavier because Mitsubishi didn't do a very good job designing it to hide that they built it off of a full size FWD pseudo-luxury sedan", something borne out by how it was an also-ran before it even came out?

No, it went from me explaining it was different to me explaining how it was different.

Nothing is different all those things apply, please continue with your simplistic condescending argument.

 

[Tornado]

Nothing is different all those things apply

That's particularly strange, since none of "those things" are actually true. The 3000GT wasn't a particularly larger car than the R32 (certainly not the also-significantly-lighter R33). The 3000GT's drivetrain definitely didn't contribute to its heavier weight over the 90's Skylines. The 3000GT wasn't a particularly lavishly equipped car in comparison to the 1990s Skylines. The R32 didn't feature a particularly aluminum-intensive construction, since the few body panels that were done in aluminum was primarily done to try and offset the horrible weight distribution caused by the the (again, significantly heavier than the Mitsubishi's) engine. And while the Skyline didn't have the electronic adjustable dampening that the 3000GT did, Nissan already had a similar system in the Z32 that they deliberately did not include in the R32. And both the R32 and the Z32 also had a more advanced 4WS system than the one in the Mitsubishi. And the R32 had a dramatically more advanced AWD system than the Mitsubishi did.
The 3000GT was a car that weighed over 600 pounds more than its most direct rival on paper despite not matching it in mechanical sophistication, to the extent that even in markets that never came close to getting said rival it was considered a bit of a pig; and the best justification you can give to defend why was that it had "fat cushy seats". The stripper base model Dodge sold, which would have had trouble outrunning a contemporary Buick Regal and had absolutely none of that amazing exciting tech that Nissan had already debuted on the market (or even a cassette player), was by itself almost as heavy as the GT-R.




And since this is hardly the first time you've staggered into a thread, spouted a bunch of nonsense and then continuously devolved your argument from the initial one to try and find something that can stick, I think my "simplistic condescending argument" has quite a bit more basis than the one where (once again) you didn't feel even basic fact checking was required before making it.

 

[-Fred-]

We rarely ever see those nowadays, I guess for that reason alone it's worthy of a "cool" rating, but only for people who know what it is. However, people who know what it is also happen to know it's an absolute nightmare to work on (transversely mounted twin turbo V6 is genius, although in that regard the Z32 TT is also an absolute packaging nightmare), the replacement parts are not cheap because they're scarce, all those electronic doodads will eventually fail... It's like a Japanese 7 series.

Anyone remember they also had a version later on that was a metal-roofed convertible (the Spyder) that could be available as an automatic, non-turbo front wheel drive? That it was available in a sort of watered down pee yellow color? And that they sold those for nearly 60k? And that it could barely beat the Earth's rotation in a drag race?

 

[mustafur]

That's particularly strange, since none of "those things" are actually true. The 3000GT wasn't a particularly larger car than the R32 (certainly not the also-significantly-lighter R33). The 3000GT's drivetrain definitely didn't contribute to its heavier weight over the 90's Skylines. The 3000GT wasn't a particularly lavishly equipped car in comparison to the 1990s Skylines. The R32 didn't feature a particularly aluminum-intensive construction, since the few body panels that were done in aluminum was primarily done to try and offset the horrible weight distribution caused by the the (again, significantly heavier than the Mitsubishi's) engine. And while the Skyline didn't have the electronic adjustable dampening that the 3000GT did, Nissan already had a similar system in the Z32 that they deliberately did not include in the R32. And both the R32 and the Z32 also had a more advanced 4WS system than the one in the Mitsubishi. And the R32 had a dramatically more advanced AWD system than the Mitsubishi did.
The 3000GT was a car that weighed over 600 pounds more than its most direct rival on paper despite not matching it in mechanical sophistication, to the extent that even in markets that never came close to getting said rival it was considered a bit of a pig; and the best justification you can give to defend why was that it had "fat cushy seats". The stripper base model Dodge sold, which would have had trouble outrunning a contemporary Buick Regal and had absolutely none of that amazing exciting tech that Nissan had already debuted on the market (or even a cassette player), was by itself almost as heavy as the GT-R.




And since this is hardly the first time you've staggered into a thread, spouted a bunch of nonsense and then continuously devolved your argument from the initial one to try and find something that can stick, I think my "simplistic condescending argument" has quite a bit more basis than the one where (once again) you didn't feel even basic fact checking was required before making it.

The car was bigger, it was significantly wider then every generation of GT-R from R32 to R34(and that's including the widened wheel arches not body of the GT-R over the Skyline Chassis(the GTO didn't have extended wheel arches as it was the car it was intended to be).

It also used less aluminium like I said even though the GT-R didn't have much that stuff was still Hugely expensive at the time and does shave off big weight.

The GT-R was based on a Car that was much narrower but the same sort of length, in reality the 3000GT is just a bigger car like a SWB Full size.

The Chassis of the Skyline(the body not including extended wheel arches) is 145mm narrower then the 3000GT, it's soo narrow its the same width as my Mazda 2 at 1695mm.

The 3000GT was a much wider 1840mm, the difference is massive.

 

[Grandea GTR]

I'm so lost right now.

 

[McLaren]

We rarely ever see those nowadays, I guess for that reason alone it's worthy of a "cool" rating, but only for people who know what it is. However, people who know what it is also happen to know it's an absolute nightmare to work on (transversely mounted twin turbo V6 is genius, although in that regard the Z32 TT is also an absolute packaging nightmare), the replacement parts are not cheap because they're scarce, all those electronic doodads will eventually fail... It's like a Japanese 7 series.

Anyone remember they also had a version later on that was a metal-roofed convertible (the Spyder) that could be available as an automatic, non-turbo front wheel drive? That it was available in a sort of watered down pee yellow color? And that they sold those for nearly 60k? And that it could barely beat the Earth's rotation in a drag race?

I have a friend at work who owns about 4-5 of these cars for that reason alone....

I gave it a cool, though. Have a soft spot for them.

 

[TexRex]

Meh.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Amusing video might tickle the fancy of people who fondly remember the car from GT1

I mean... this is what GT is

Laughed at the Impala SS

 

[Stephan]

This car gave me GT1 nostalgia especially since this is the car where GT1 gamers would normally choose for the Megaspeed Cup. And let's not forget the GTO LM.

But unfortunately this is the later version of the GTO.

Cool for the pop up headlights GTO
SZ for the later version.

 

[INEEDNAWZZZ]

All GT told me was that you could get 900+ HP out of one direction f these with a Stage 4 turbo (whatever that actually is). Although being a 90s Mitsubishi, it probably wouldn't last too long in real life.

Mid range cool all the same, based purely on looks and looks alone. Only thing that drags it down (as mentioned before) are that most you do see these days are smoky, base FWD models. Still a likable car though.

 

[Tyger]

I'm so lost right now.

That's most likely because there are those who, rather than disagreeing with an opinion or even frequently seeming to not offer a clear opinion of their own, instead go to great lengths to discredit others' arguments in a very patronising and condescending manner. And man does it start to get old.

 

[Liquid]

The memories have come back so strongly I've deleted my GT1 save just so I can start again with the right machine.

 

[Dennisch]

Warum ist es ein gebrauchtwagen and not a used car?

 

[Liquid]

Warum ist es ein gebrauchtwagen and not a used car?

Sometimes I set the languages of the games I play to German für die lulzen.

 

[C-ZETA]

I feel very sorry for the 3000GT because there are so many reasons to laugh at it and many people do just that.
But I don't care. I just love it sooo much. And not in the soft spot way everyone's saying, which is very sweet in itself. I have always found the 3000GT so, so awesome. The poor thing doesn't know it was force-fed so many gizmos it ended up with a weight problem. And its weight has never affected how good it looks. I mean, there's nothing wrong with a plus-size model, is there? Besides, it's not so plus-size that it takes away from what a killer engine it can have.
I almost want to set up a charity against abuse towards it. Cool.

As a side note I seem to have seen more of them than any other 90s JDM car. (Although I've seen the face-lifted one more than the original.) I even saw one in Croatia, for crying out loud!

 

[Sp3edst3r]

I think ive seen 2 of these in real life.. Ever..
I absolutely love the car, 4WD 2 door sports car that went up against the skylines of its time, and unlike most 90's cars, the gto/3000gt hasnt become riced/awfully modified (that ive seen).
And the looks *drool* i do prefer the later version with the fixed headlights but its still a very pretty car and I would buy one of these over any other 90's JDM anyday

Sub Zero

 

[Razor440]

Epic car. One of the greatest cars from what I call the "90's Japanese sports car craze." I'll take a Twin Turbo variant, thank you very much. I also like the rebranded version, the Dodge Stealth R/T.

Sub-Zero

 

[tankuroded]

Voted cool, because Megaspeed Cup. But not many of you know that Midnight Rose in TXR0 took this generation of 3000GT and turned it into this:

 

[Tyger]

That looks like they gene-spliced it with a C3 and a 288GTO...nifty

 

[Wolfe]

When I was in gradeschool, I often saw a 3000GT parked along the bus route. I'll never forget thinking how cool and capable it looked, like a Ferrari or Lamborghini. It's utterly undesirable now that I know better, but no less cool.

 

[MoLiEG]

Subzero.

 

[TheCracker]

Here's an interesting fact; 83% of people who bought 3000GTs from new, had grey hair and had undergone prostate examinations in the last six months. Also. Had it been available at the time, may have just asked their doctor for a Viagra prescription instead.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

One of the last cool Mitsubishis to be made. One of the nicest looking ones too and pop up headlights place it as cool.

 

[mustafur]

Although not the same generation still an interesting watch: