GTP Cool Wall: 1990-1996 Renault 19 16V
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How
do these
equate
uncool?
I didn't know that a car had to be available in my DM in order to think it cool. I'll take back all of my votes for USDM, AUSNZDM and JDM cars.
And I know I've asked why, but please, we don't need more FWD = uncool nonsense. Just get over it.
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If anything, driving around in a car that wasn't sold there makes it more cool, to me at least.
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The way I see it, if a car isn't available where I live, it makes it cooler because there's something quite cool about something that's unobtainable.. although the car is getting close to being obtainable due to import laws.
I guess this is uncool then as well. FWD, asymmetric hood, not "a lot of power" since it doesn't have 200hp...
I guess this is uncool then as well. FWD, asymmetric hood, not "a lot of power" since it doesn't have 200hp...
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@JMoney689 Seriously uncool because asymmetry:
Really? Be careful with the reasons for uncool, they will apply to many other cars.
Really? Be careful with the reasons for uncool, they will apply to many other cars.
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So just run from answering.
My bike has the same P/W ratio as a 700whp C6 Corvette, yet many times I feel it lacks power.
My car has the same amount of power as my bike, and on paper it accelerates much slower.
Yet when I open the throttle on both, the car does not feel that much slower than the bike.
Is the bike slow? No, it'll lift the front wheel at 100mph.
Is the car fast? No, it takes 10 seconds to get to 60mph.
Just because the specs don't indicate it, it doesn't mean that the vehicle feels slow or fast.
A small sporty car like this will have a much better connection to you and the road than some V8 that was just thrown in the nearest frame.
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@Liquid I like the car, was more a fan of the 19 hatch though, no the saloon. Power or performance doesn't affect my rating.
Just think it has always had an image problem for me, too many were owned by the type of person who would chav it up a bit.
Without trying to sound really poncy, they have too much of whiff of council estate to them. (no dig at council estates as I was born on one and spent a good few of my early years living on one.
Just think it has always had an image problem for me, too many were owned by the type of person who would chav it up a bit.
Without trying to sound really poncy, they have too much of whiff of council estate to them. (no dig at council estates as I was born on one and spent a good few of my early years living on one.
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@JMoney689 Seriously uncool because asymmetry:
Really? Be careful with the reasons for uncool, they will apply to many other cars.
Yes, but there's a reason for it on the Shelby. Not on the Renault. They could have put the intake in the middle, but they decided to be weird and put it off to the side.
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I've seen you use this image several times and it almost never seems applicable.
Anyway, my Dad used to have a bog standard R19 phase 1 when I was a little kid. For that reason, I always wanted a 16v far more than most hot hatches (or saloons, in the case of the Chamade). I still do, to be honest.
If my Dad's 19 was anything to go by, it was an amazingly tough car, contrary to the reputation of most French cars of the time. More than one person crashed into it, and despite the perpetrators suffering detached bumpers and wing mirrors bouncing down the road, the R19 always came away without even a scratch. The only reliability issue in 100,000 miles of use was a worn fan belt.
I'll have a phase 1 hatch, please. I'm going for sub zero, just to counteract the people who don't like it "because it is French."
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Not only do you have a strange allergy to logic, but now you're a time traveler? I mean, since you know the reasoning for the intake placement and all, being on the design team back then must've been fun.
Also, cue the Shelby Daytona Coupe and the Murcielago both being uncool for "can't buy it easily" and "asymmetrical styling", respectively.
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I would expect more respectful statements from a moderator. Now anytime someone mentions my logic they get several likes. Good grief, stop insulting me and insult my arguments. Personal attack shouldn't be part of a coolness debate. I don't attack you guys, why do you feel the need to attack me?
It's a garbage 90's sedan, nothing more. Not a supercar. The asymmetry on the Murci and the Shelby isn't ugly or noticeable; most don't even know about the Murci's intakes. And as for being hard to obtain? The Shelby and the Murci are fast, limited production cars. They are hard to obtain no matter where you are in the world. The Renault? They made plenty of them, and it's relatively easy to get in Europe, but not in America. Being excluded from something isn't cool.
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Try getting off your high horse next time. Maybe then your opinions won't get "attacked". 
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Perhaps you ought to reconsider what you write. Is there a pattern to exactly what points you mention and the amount of likes other people get for pointing it out? As I mentioned earlier, opinions are not carte blanche to say what you want and have it accepted and unchallenged. You deal with the consequences of what you say; what others say back to you.
Subjective.
So what? Many, if not most, supercars are uncool. If you're treating this on a case by case basis, compare it with other individual cars and cases instead. Comparisons to other classes of cars is not the way to go about a case by case basis.
Except you already said you find every French car ever to be uncool. Again, a blanket statement.
Assumption. Besides, if people don't care about the asymmetry on a Shelby or Lamborghini, why would they necessarily care about it on this Renault?
It was made in, and for, the EDM. So what? Why hold that against a car you don't even want anyway? Your opinion on it wouldn't change if it was available in the US.
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It's a 90s sedan, not something that deserves seriously uncool. And they didn't sell it in the USA, because Americans decided that they want Camry instead, which was not sold in most of Europe, because most of Europeans didn't want one. So we are excluded from ability to own a Camry that doesn't make it less cool (or more cool).
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No, I said I don't like them, which slightly affects their coolness to me. I voted cool on the Renault R8, and I think several 70's Alpines are cool. I just think they look weird, which is mostly why I don't like them.
I'm stating that as opinion, not a fact. "Garbage" is my opinion; it's obviously not literally garbage. That has nothing to do with my knowledge of the car.
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With respect, if you've pointedly never driven one because its hard to get in the States, how could you possibly call it a 'garbage 90s sedan'?
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First, I really should nip this in the bud - nobody cares about likes.
Calling an illogical person out on their illogical statements isn't an insult. That you wish to view it as such says a lot; but then again, you've repeatedly dodged any questions (*ahem*), misconstrued a point (*ahem*), so I suppose that's par for the course.
By your supremely flawed "power over everything" logic, things like an Elise aren't a sports car. Your own comment was this:
...and only after you got called on that nugget of ignorance did you move it to a comparison vehicle from the same time frame, yet still spectacularly missed the point that the two cars were not designed to meet the same criteria. A smaller, sporty car - remember, this was roughly Golf-sized - doesn't make as much power as a much larger-engined car from at least one size class up? You don't say!
Judging a hot hatch based solely on it's horsepower - using today as the yardstick no less, nevermind the 20+ years ago it was actually made - is like judging a pickup truck solely on its skidpad data.
This is the most accurate thing you've said so far. Not that it has any real effect on coolness, but it's a start.
Arguable on all counts. So again, the goalposts have moved, from "asymmetry is uncool" to "it's only uncool on this one car, for nebulous reasons I'll make up in an attempt to strengthen my point". I suppose you can argue the Lambo's asymmetry is less noticeable, but good luck trying that with the Shelby.
On the contrary; coolness most certainly isn't for everyone.
So that we're on the same page, you've got an (admittedly, British) man waving a giant American flag as your avatar, you drive the quintessential American vehicle (in "Freedom Edition" no less), and you're arguing that a car can't be cool if it wasn't sold in the US?
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