Joey D
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Just to lend a bit of credibility here, I too have a reliable source at GM and they've said the same thing to me. There's probably a hybrid version in the works too.
GTP Cool Wall: 2020- Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C8)
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Just to lend a bit of credibility here, I too have a reliable source at GM and they've said the same thing to me. There's probably a hybrid version in the works too.
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I my case, no. I wont disclose the nature of my source either, other than to say I trust it 100%. Sorry I cant do more here.
Joey D
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Corvette enthusiasts: Boo! It's no longer a V8.
Also Corvette enthusiasts: Yay! It's no longer mid-engined.
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Say what you will about how it looks and how only balding boomers are going to buy it, but this car revolutionized the performance car market the instant the base price was announced.
Cayman? Irrelevant.
Supra? Irrelevant.
This car is faster than both while being cheaper and more of a supercar at the same time.
Cool.
Cayman? Irrelevant.
Supra? Irrelevant.
This car is faster than both while being cheaper and more of a supercar at the same time.
Cool.
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We're talking about a car here that has the performance to rival Ferrari (3-second 0-60, near 200mph top speed) in a mid-engine package that is still inexpensive enough that you could buy multiple for you and your friends and still have enough left over afterwards to buy a daily commuter if you so desire. This car truly is the first "supercar for the masses" or the closest the car industry has gotten to it. I think it's quite the engineering achievement on GM's part to have obtained such a price to performance ratio here.
It doesn't necessarily have to invent an entire new market segment to be revolutionary.
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Cool.
I don't think the styling is bad at all, either.
I don't think the styling is bad at all, either.
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Sure, but aside from the body in chassis, it's just a parts bin GM. It may be half the price of a Ferrari, but that comes at the cost of material quality. A Ferrari is going to have high quality Alcantara and wood. The GM thin pleather plastic. I mean, you are trying to compare a Kroger choice strip steak to a A5 wagyu dry aged ribeye. Ultimately, the Vette isnt a competitor to Ferrari, cause it's not in the same class. Fancy fenders do not make a super car, and we have yet to see if it's all show and muscle, or if it has the chops to actually keep up with a super car.
I'll hold out on calling anything until the road car makes it out into the wild and the reviews start coming in.
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This sounds more like you just repeating stuff of old, without any actual truth to the current model. The car is actually not just "parts bin", according to those who have had hands on with the car. And the quality is exceptional as well, according to those same people.
And if anything, GM has proved time and time again that performance is something their Corvette will always be able to achieve at much lower prices. I can't see anyone casting doubt on those figures at this day and age. The Corvette has always been a performance monster, in the modern age.
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What planet do you live on where one of these things is cheap?
A car can cost a third as much as a Ferrari and still be out of reach for the vast majority of the population, mostly because even if the price comes down on the secondhand market the running costs will still be astronomical compared with any ordinary car
A car can cost a third as much as a Ferrari and still be out of reach for the vast majority of the population, mostly because even if the price comes down on the secondhand market the running costs will still be astronomical compared with any ordinary car
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I don't think anyone called the car cheap....
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Honestly the Corvette as an object completely confounds me.
For all but a comparitively small minority of owners who might have more serious intentions of utilising its performance on the track its sole purpose seems to be showing off to people that you can afford a Corvette. But at the same time it has to be cheaper than other cars whose primary purpose is to show off one's wealth; the Bugattis and Ferraris and Lamborghinis and McLarens and Aston Martins and Porsches of the world.
It's stuck in a paradox of serious uncoolness where simultaneously anyone who buys one looks like a prat who wants to show off how much money they spent on it rather than buying a GT86 and donating the rest of the money to charity or something; but they also look like a prat who either couldn't afford or was too cheap to pay for one of its more expensive rivals.
And maybe that's an unfair judgement of many Corvette owners. Maybe it's not. But it's how the Corvette comes across. In terms of image it's the McMansion of cars, and even if in reality it's just as much the real deal as its afforementioned competitors that's not what matters when it comes to coolness.
I could extend this into a longer "no seriously what even is the appeal of a 700HP sports car that if you'll be terrified you're gonna crash if you even try to slightly lean into its performance when you could be having a lot more fun in an MX-5" rant but that almost seems beside the point.
The real oddity to the Corvette is that it appeals to the market it appeals to as a high performance sports car rather than as a luxury grand tourer, which with the golf club accomodating boot is clearly something it wants to be but can't fully commit to.
I think that's the sum of it. The Corvette is trying to be a sports car, a muscle car, a grand tourer, a supercar, an aspirational item, and an "affordable" alternative to other aspirational vehicles and it can never quite commit to being any of those things, and all the while it has to maintain a semblance of heritage which all the time seems increasingly tenuous.
I just don't understand the appeal at all, and the idea of driving or riding one in public rather than at a track seems extraordinarily embarassing
For all but a comparitively small minority of owners who might have more serious intentions of utilising its performance on the track its sole purpose seems to be showing off to people that you can afford a Corvette. But at the same time it has to be cheaper than other cars whose primary purpose is to show off one's wealth; the Bugattis and Ferraris and Lamborghinis and McLarens and Aston Martins and Porsches of the world.
It's stuck in a paradox of serious uncoolness where simultaneously anyone who buys one looks like a prat who wants to show off how much money they spent on it rather than buying a GT86 and donating the rest of the money to charity or something; but they also look like a prat who either couldn't afford or was too cheap to pay for one of its more expensive rivals.
And maybe that's an unfair judgement of many Corvette owners. Maybe it's not. But it's how the Corvette comes across. In terms of image it's the McMansion of cars, and even if in reality it's just as much the real deal as its afforementioned competitors that's not what matters when it comes to coolness.
I could extend this into a longer "no seriously what even is the appeal of a 700HP sports car that if you'll be terrified you're gonna crash if you even try to slightly lean into its performance when you could be having a lot more fun in an MX-5" rant but that almost seems beside the point.
The real oddity to the Corvette is that it appeals to the market it appeals to as a high performance sports car rather than as a luxury grand tourer, which with the golf club accomodating boot is clearly something it wants to be but can't fully commit to.
I think that's the sum of it. The Corvette is trying to be a sports car, a muscle car, a grand tourer, a supercar, an aspirational item, and an "affordable" alternative to other aspirational vehicles and it can never quite commit to being any of those things, and all the while it has to maintain a semblance of heritage which all the time seems increasingly tenuous.
I just don't understand the appeal at all, and the idea of driving or riding one in public rather than at a track seems extraordinarily embarassing
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I had a rather large reply but I just erased it. I don't quite understand than particular remark. Why would driving this specific car lead to any kind of embarrassment? I'm perplexed.
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It's the American BMW. It's what American ****s drive...
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What in the hell.
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No, you're right, they apparently moved on to Audi's....
And for the American comparison....
And just in case is not clear, I am joking.
And for the record, I am working on buying an Audi....
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I've always been a fan of the Corvette. Don't like it any less now that it's mid-engined. Cool.
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Those are some hard lined opinions, there. From what I gather most of the 2020 stock has been claimed already. Sounds like someone out there likes it.However, both examples provided are infinately more desireable to a more-than-significant number people, which weirdly instantaneously made them both relevant again.
Strange.
I personally would rather have this new 'Vette than a Cayman or that new Supra. I'm sure there are others.
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As long as you realize that's just, like, your opinion man, and not an industry statement, then we are all good.
And also, as long as you realize that 90% of new Corvette purchases have almost always been special order, not bought off the lot like a typical car, then we can continue knowing that "nearly all stock has been spoken for" isnt really that exclusive, especially pitted against actual exclusive companies like ferrari and porsche. Hell, even the Supra has sold nearly all its "2020 stock". And that is a pick it up at the lot car. It's not all that meaningful since it's likely an aspect worked out in the marketing end of selling cars like these, helps create a bit of demand that helps them keep the hype and price a bit higher than if they pushed out a bucket load of them.
Again, I'll reserve my final opinion for the day they have had some good, long term reviews out of the corvette (and the other cars as well) before I crown a "best of the 50k-100K" segment. If GMs previous attempts at a mid engine car are anything to go by, well, hopefully they work some magic on the EV side....
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I understand that perfectly, which is why I worded it how I did. My point is that you seem to be speaking in absolutes, for what seems like a large majority of others.
What other mid engine attempts...? You mean the damn Fiero, from 1984? 35 years ago? Lol. C'mon, bro.
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I never said they didnt, at all. The post i quoted said the cayman and the Supra are now obselete because the C8 exists, which is utter nonsense. I never said the C8 wasnt liked by anyone.
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Thats all good. Sorry if I came across disgruntled, I had just woken up
