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GTP Cool Wall: Chrysler Town & Country
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...to other rednecks.
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- slashfan7964
I've never heard of a redneck stereotype paired to the Camaro. Can't say the same about trucks though.
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- GTP_GT916
- Nii916
It's cool, although I have no idea why I made that decision. 
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- GTP_Leonidae_MFT
Seriously uncool. Doesn't need explaining 
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- Noob616
It's almost like people don't buy minivans for performance! 💡
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- Antonisbob
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Yeah, just like the "yeah i gots mad tyte veetak yo" stereotype is only cool to other people who think the Vader body kit is cool. Doesn't stop some of GTP's more respected members from leading the Honda cheering section, annoyingly.
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- race_emhard
It's a wagon, therefore its cool.
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While there is a huge element of uninformed, aesthetically-challenged, loud-mouthed Honda owners (though these guys exist for almost any make), Honda Civics are a good gateway drug to track-addiction. Lightweight bodies, double-wishbone suspension, durable, revvy engines.
Sorry if some people happen to like cars that are built well and drive nice*.
Except the new Honda Civic FB. That sucks hard.
Still can't decide about the Town&Country. I like the lines, nice, clean... but then you get to the fake woody panels... though those do stir up a lot of nostalgic memories...
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It's a Woody Wagon with a big block. It's 60's nostalgia. You can haul the entire family around comfortably, while at the same time pulling that "60's Airstream" or a boat for that matter.
I won't go as far as calling it sub-zero, but it is a healthy "COOL".
I won't go as far as calling it sub-zero, but it is a healthy "COOL".
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Can't argue with you there, but a lot of GTP members will. They can be identified as the ones who insisted on defending bloated, feature-and-amenety overloaded not-so-compact cars like the Chevy Cruze and Dodge Dart.
Hard to call an engine durable when the head gaskets fall apart under a slight breeze and it's so ridiculously easy to overrev. I also take issue with any engine that must be revved high to deliver a hard takeoff, no matter how quickly they rev. Also, the engine configuration means its exhaust noise turns you into a brony and causes women to not notice you (at least not in a positive way) every time you stomp on it.
So the Civic may well be a gateway to track addiction, but definitely not to speed addiction. That probably explains a lot of the effeminate opinions on this website. And that's the heart of why I defend my Sunbird so eagerly. I want a gas pedal, not a pass gas pedal. I want a car that slams me back in my seat when I step on the gas, not one that needs mega revs to do so. 5500 RPM is where I shift when I'm really pushing it, not where acceleration begins in earnest.
sorry if some people happen to like cars that are built well and drive nice*.
Oh and speaking of, my Sunbird has so far been a very well put together car. Any quality issues can be blamed on the stealership, which has apparently had it out for that car from the beginning, or on the atrophy of disuse, which my car has suffered badly (it had been sitting out in the weather for 6 years by the time I got to it). Everything about that car is beefy. It uses extra cylinders in lieu of boost or VVT. It has 5-lug wheels where most cars of its size use 4-lug designs. Much of the interior plastic is indeed hard touch, but most of it is very solid - even some rather flimsy pieces never reveal themselves as such until you rank on them in ways most people never would. You don't break that car without trying to, or being grossly negligent.
Went to Anchorage recently to get a pair of sunglasses, saw a stupid Acura RSX sitting in the mall parking garage. By the time I got into the actual mall, he had his hood up. It was still up when I came out some time later, and by then he was talking on his cell phone. He should have bought a GM. They run bad longer than most cars run at all.
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So I'm guessing that you dislike any kind of sports motorcycle engine then.
Even a 1200cc V-twin that makes 50 more hp than your precious little 3.1L V6.
Are you seriously that dumb?
A lot of EK9/DC2 owners would like to have a word with you.
So a K20 with 200hp doesn't push you back, but a V6 with double the CC and 60 less hp does?
Smart like syrup.
Because you have a dog of an engine.
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Seriously, stop bringing up motorcycles, they're a whole other ball game. For one thing, they're lighter than even the lightest car, so it doesn't take much torque to deliver a field goal kick of a launch. Seriously, it's not hard when all you have is an engine, two wheels, and not much else. Also, motorcycles can probably run at a much higher state of tune, since they have an easier time with emissions and fuel economy regulations.
You're the one who's ignoring science. Look it up, it was a study done by some British luxury car insurance company or something. Being a company that insures specialty vehicles, they're bound to run into people who buy cars to attract women. They decided to see which car did the best job, and also included men in the study to see what the people buying the cars to attract women like. In the interests of scientific comparison, they brought along an I4 VW Polo to measure the effects that the sound of an average car had.
The results? Every woman in the study was helpless for the Maserati they used, while men were inclined to prefer a Lamborghini. That sad little Polo they brought along caused repeated testosterone drops in every single participant, as I recall. I4 engines, at least the ones used in road cars (important distinction so you don't bring racing motorcycles into it again), actually do make you less of a man. Miatas are indeed hairdresser's cars, that's scientific fact now.
Right up until smoke starts pouring out their grills in a stunning display of synchronized simultaneous head gasket failure and piston-to-valve contact.
Well, it depends. Can you stomp on it from 3000RPM and get an immediate hit, or do you have to bounce it off the rev limiter and fry the clutch? Not that I don't abuse my clutch pretty badly sometimes, but if you get a bad launch, or the circumstances preclude revving up before you go, that'll be important.
Sled dog, sure.
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Ok, you've parroted this "study" multiple times in multiple threads now. Please link us to this "scientific study" that you keep quoting. We need a citation.
Oh, even if you do find this study, please also cite a scientific study published in a peer-reviewed journal that backs up your claims.
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I guess you didn't read anything I said.
I wasn't talking about the acceleration, I was talking about the power.
What you're saying is that a 600 that is launched from 8 grand is automatically bad because of its launch rpm.
So you are that dumb, taking the word of a company that used supercars against a Polo as law.
You listen to the V6 out of a Sunbird and people will set themselves on fire before jumping into a river of gasoline filled with sharks.
You listen to a proper V6 and it'll sound much better.
Using a Polo engine as the standard for I4 is ridiculous.
And when would you see that?
I know that the build quality and reliability on those engines are excellent.
We have 150k+ on a K24, and it's never had so much as a peep of trouble.
It's just getting broken in.
For speed, you launch at the optimal rpm for that engine, tires, chassis, and road conditions.
Whether that be 2000rpm in a Duramax or 12 grand on an RC162.
If you're bouncing the limiter on takeoff, or burning a clutch, you're doing something seriously wrong.
3.1L V6 not even making 150hp.
A CR-V makes more power with 2 less cylinders, half a litre less, and a much nicer exhaust note.
Oh, and unless you plan on somehow tripling your cars power, you're not going to be getting slammed into your seat.
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http://www.hiscox.com/news/press-releases/2008/02-09-08.aspx
Somehow, I managed to find the actual, orginial link this time, despite only being able to find references before. Testosterone levels were measured via saliva, and confirmed that pretty much every woman in the study was turned off by that sad little heap of a car, the Polo. The study wasn't nearly as exhaustive as it could have been, but I don't see much reason to think other standard I4s would have much of a different effect.
Somehow, I managed to find the actual, orginial link this time, despite only being able to find references before. Testosterone levels were measured via saliva, and confirmed that pretty much every woman in the study was turned off by that sad little heap of a car, the Polo. The study wasn't nearly as exhaustive as it could have been, but I don't see much reason to think other standard I4s would have much of a different effect.
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The 3vz Toyota put in the camry cranked out 185hp, and you could easily push that to 200+ with a better y pipe and leaning out the fuel mix a tad. You're 3.1 is only useful to the Feiro owners with 2.8s that want a cheap power boost without having to dive into wiring.
Civics are quick and can go forever as long as you change their oil every once in a while. But I've seen more busted 2.8s, 3.1s, and 3.4 (all the same engine thats been stroked), theres a reason Feiro owners largely get rid of that dog of an engine.
It's okay to be proud of you're car, but I don't run around screaming about how my Corolla gets 40 mpg so it must be better than modern ecno cars. It's not and I accept that. Acceptance is the first step.....
Edit: the 3vz, a 3.0 v6, was a camry motor by the way.
Civics are quick and can go forever as long as you change their oil every once in a while. But I've seen more busted 2.8s, 3.1s, and 3.4 (all the same engine thats been stroked), theres a reason Feiro owners largely get rid of that dog of an engine.
It's okay to be proud of you're car, but I don't run around screaming about how my Corolla gets 40 mpg so it must be better than modern ecno cars. It's not and I accept that. Acceptance is the first step.....
Edit: the 3vz, a 3.0 v6, was a camry motor by the way.
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You're taking the wrong message from that study.
They were trying to prove that supercars were more exciting than A to B cars, which is true.
You put a 4-AG or K20 against your car, and a V8 truck, and you're going to see different results.
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Women attracted by car that sounds expensive shocker.
You really are an uninformed, closed-minded, tedious arse sometimes W&N.
You really are an uninformed, closed-minded, tedious arse sometimes W&N.
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It's funny because whenever I show up at my daughter's school in the MX-5, I'm drowning in schoolmum clunge. Moreso now it's a bit throatier.
I imagine when I turn up in the even more oppressively loud supercharged V6, they'll think I'm a tosspot.[QUOTE="Dr" Fox]And that's a scientific fact. There's no actual evidence for it, but it's scientific fact.[/QUOTE]
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I can believe you are foolish enough to use this as if it was a compliment when the statement is analogous to FIAT's "Fix it again, Tony;" but it's still surprising that you did.
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