GTP Cool Wall - Ford Mustang GT S197

[Prosthetic]

Cool. Its a V8 RWD sport coupe. Oh and the fact that it wears a Mustang badge almost ticks subzero--but that is reserved for the Roush.

Leon you are smoking some weed right now aren't you? Its not heavy, its not slow and Hyundai's are not most certainly matching performance with the GT. The V6 stang yes but not GT.

I was waiting for you to post... I agree with everything you just said.

EDIT: Incidentally I checked this thread 9 minutes after you posted.. Now it looks like I was actually sitting here waiting.

 

[Jetboy.]

Cool. Its a V8 RWD sport coupe. Oh and the fact that it wears a Mustang badge almost ticks subzero--but that is reserved for the Roush.

Leon you are smoking some weed right now aren't you? Its not heavy, its not slow and Hyundai's are not most certainly matching performance with the GT. The V6 stang yes but not GT.

We are forgetting the Genesis already? 307 hp, FR, and sub 3000 lbs mean nothing eh?

Meanwhile, the car I feel is cool, but long in the tooth for styling. Affordable RWD will forever be cool, despite who drives it.


Cheers,
Jetboy

 

[Spencer]

The Genesis is only 96 pounds lighter, so the mustang is no fat cat.

 

[LSX]

Hundai = 306 hp and 266 ft·lb 3,389lbs Curb Weight...

Mustang GT (05) = 300 hp and 320 ft-lb 3,480 lb Curb weight

I'm guessing that 100 pounds difference is kinda negated by 60 ft-lbs of torque the Hundai is missing.

Not to say it will mop the place up with the Hundai though...

 

[Worst_Driver]

RWD + Coupe + V8 = Cool.

The only uncool thing about this car is that everybody owns one so it makes it kinda meh.

 

[Adamgp]

Sub zero.

Good looks, rwd, V8. An affordable car with alot of bang for the buck.

Probably picking one up when the Grand Prix dies.

 

[mustangGT90210]

Subzero

They're everywhere, parts are plentiful, they're quick and handle well enough to be more fun than you should ever have on the road, sound amazing, and best of all: I'll be able to afford one by the time my truck wears out

 

[Nicksfix]

COOL

Modern day muscle,nothing wrong with that,.I feel it could use a few more ponies under the hood being a Mustang GT.Sub-Zero would come via a Roush Mustang,or a Shelby Super Snake.

 

[Boffin]

It should be S-U.

The quality is not shining, neither is the performance. In Australia, a convirtable one of these costs 125k.....which is what you could pick up an M5 for, or an M3 - so (at least where I am) the price isn't something to behold either.

Yet.

I have always loved how this car has looked. I think Ford did a great job when designing with the perfect balace of styling cues from the old one, and a modern design. It isn't S-Z, because if I saw one going down the street, my thoughts would be how stuipic the driver had to be to buy one, but I'll give it a cool.

 

[niky]

Subzero - for being one of the few retro-modern designs of the past decade (besides the MINI Cooper) that actually worked.

Cool - because it's got a good amount of power, and despite the live rear axle, actually works. Has just enough gears (5 is enough... 6 is a chore to wade through... )

Uncool - because that live rear axle means it'll either ride well or corner well, but not both at the same time or on the same suspension settings. iPod level light customization on the interior.

Seriously Uncool - not due to the insane popularity or overabundance of "secretary specials"... since that has been the Mustang's forte from day one back in the 60's... but because Ford's relentless marketing campaigns and product placement... Knight Rider, anyone?... has made the car a "Fast and Furious" cliche.

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Grudging cool. Not any more than that, and if they do another season of Knight Rider, probably a lot less.

 

[Bones Brigade]

this is a tough one and is maybe dependent on the area of the country (or world) where you live.

it's such a popular car that it doesn't stand out enough to be uncool, but it's still a car that is centered around ego. V6 trim is seriously uncool. GT is somewhere in between cool and uncool. on average i guess it's uncool.

 

[SRV2LOW4ME]

Pray my wife doesn't read this.

Thats why I said "most" and not all, plus added "IMO" at the end. Its kinda like my safety shute in case I have to bail due to too much hot air causing turbulence.

 

[Omnis]

The Shelbies are cool. The regular GT isn't though. The tails are too tall. The previous one was cooler.

 

[niky]

The problem is:

Too many women drive these things which scares me as its too much power for most to handle IMO

You're assuming many women who drive have trouble handling powerful cars.

They don't.

My aunt is a school secretary. She drove a Dodge Viper to work for a year. That's a car that can light its tires on less-than-perfect roads at anything more than half throttle in the frst few gears... and she lives in Washington State... the great white northwest.

No problems.

"Most women" aren't tempted to light up the tires at every stoplight, or go 150 in a 75 zone or street-race every guy in a Z that revs at them (though there are exceptions...). "Most women" are perfectly fine driving "powerful" vehicles.

What should scare you is if "powerful" cars are in the hands of teenage males, who think they can handle power, but obviously can't resist actually using it at the wrong place and at the wrong time.

 

[Boffin]

The problem is:



You're assuming many women who drive have trouble handling powerful cars.

They don't.

My aunt is a school secretary. She drove a Dodge Viper to work for a year. That's a car that can light its tires on less-than-perfect roads at anything more than half throttle in the frst few gears... and she lives in Washington State... the great white northwest.

No problems.

"Most women" aren't tempted to light up the tires at every stoplight, or go 150 in a 75 zone or street-race every guy in a Z that revs at them (though there are exceptions...). "Most women" are perfectly fine driving "powerful" vehicles.

What should scare you is if "powerful" cars are in the hands of teenage males, who think they can handle power, but obviously can't resist actually using it at the wrong place and at the wrong time.

Couldn't have said it much better myself.

 

[Slicks]

Cool, nothing more and nothing less.

RWD+Manual+Affordable gets it going in the right direction.
The V8 burble helps out.

But the styling isn't great. The car looks 'clean' enough in some guises (Preferably with the polished torq-thrust wannabes with no scoops or spoilers, and the big round foglights in the grille) that it's passable.
Live axle is outdated, and 300bhp felt like less when I drove a GT 5mt a year and a half ago.

 

[Duke]

Too many women drive these things which scares me as its too much power for most to handle IMO, added with the rear wheel drive layout and I'm surprised there isn't more accidents each year.

Oh, yeah, there's a well-considered and enlightened statement if I ever saw one.

 

[homeforsummer]

Cool. It's a V8 Mustang.

As far as designs go, it's the first retro car that really took off, now look where that's gone!

MX-5? PT Cruiser? MINI? Beetle?... Ford didn't get there first

 

[Mrs. Famine]

Pray my wife doesn't read this.

Too late.

What a wonderfully stereotypical opinion you have. From my knowledge, if a lady cannot handle a powerful car, then she will not drive one. Where are the statistics which suggest that women driving powerful cars leads to serious accidents? The amount of "fast" cars I've seen on the roads and tracks are 9/10 piloted by men.

niky hit the nail on the head when he suggested that the young male driver is the one who causes all the problems - the (circa) 19 year old who is desperate to drive a fast car and when he finally gets his hands on one, ends up stacking it because he just cannot handle it. Or, he drives his 1.3 shopping trolley like a tit because he's so determined to prove he can drive fast.

I recently drove a Mustang. Granted, it was the V6 so a bit low on power but I'm in no doubt that I could quite happily handle the V8. After all, I've driven a full rally prepped Evo V (ex-rally car) which had around 400 bhp. I think that's the most powerful car I've driven, but I forget because I've driven so many different ones

So, SRV2LOW4ME, I'll give you the opportunity to retract your statement and apologise for stereotyping women...

 

[SRV2LOW4ME]

Although many will see it as a stereotype, I'm seeing it from the "seen too often" category. Now I will only speak from my experiences with women drivers in cars that belong in the category of which we speak (HP+RWD) and not include all of my other experiences with women in drivetrains that fall into other categorys. Although, I will add that ALL accidents that I have been in have been caused by a women behind the wheel with either me in the car, or me in my own car sitting at a red light. Yes thats right, the 3 times I've been hit by a woman, I wasn't even moving, but thats for another debate.

On atleast 2 occassions I've seen a woman try to pull out into traffic in dry conditions only to give it too much gas and slide the back end out in a car they obviously couldn't control (Camaro, Mustang) with one resulting in the driver blocking traffic by coming to a halt in the opposite direction and the other actually causing a small accident with a car in the far lane. Other times include a friends GF driving his Supra into and over a curb when she gave it too much gas while making a turn and an aunt who put her Corvette into a ditch while trying to pass someone on a highway in damp conditions. I have seen more, but don't remember full details and don't want to make assumptions, so I'll leave those out for now. There are also a few involving trucks (one of which was my first accident infact), but I'll put those in another category as well. Basically, from personal experience, I've always found the opposite sex to have trouble with the RWD layout, especially when the HP is above the norm.

I agree fully with what niky said and honestly believe young teens/new drivers should have a HP limit (with exceptions, ie. work related) but its also my personal opinion from experiences while driving and driving with others that the majority of female drivers have trouble handling/getting used to certain types of cars.

 

[Ardius]

I liked the 60s and 70s Mustangs but the rest are meh. Never really liked this design. Uncool.

 

[Mrs. Famine]

Perhaps it's a US vs UK opinion, then. As I said previously, it's rare to see a woman piloting a high powered car - it's usually men behind the wheel (how many stories have you heard about UK footballers totalling their Lambo/Porsche/*insert generic high powered car here*?)

I'm the first to admit that women are crap drivers and I will continue to agree with the stereotype that they cause more low speed bumps than men do, but they're usually in their 1.1 Micra or similar, I have yet to see a woman pootling about in a Porsche GT or whatever we have that's similar to your Mustang/Camaro/Corvette!

I do take some offence about being tarred with a brush - I'm not a typical woman and therefore not a typical woman driver. But, there are exceptions to every rule after all.

 

[Ardius]

Perhaps it's a US vs UK opinion, then. As I said previously, it's rare to see a woman piloting a high powered car - it's usually men behind the wheel (how many stories have you heard about UK footballers totalling their Lambo/Porsche/*insert generic high powered car here*?)

What? Almost all the high powered cars I see lately have female drivers, its just as much a fashion statement for them as it is a measuring stick for men.

Ok, so they don't usually buy Lambo's, but then I barely see those to begin with.
But Porsches, Jaguars, Ferrari's, high end Mercedes and Beamers, you name it, I've seen both genders drive them.

I don't see how press on footballers is proof, seeing as its a very male-orientated game and they make a lot of money from it. Women don't really have the same opportunity to make a fool of themselves in that way, at least I can't think of a comparable example anyway.

And please don't try and make out your opinion as a "UK thing".

I'm the first to admit that women are crap drivers and I will continue to agree with the stereotype that they cause more low speed bumps than men do, but they're usually in their 1.1 Micra or similar, I have yet to see a woman pootling about in a Porsche GT or whatever we have that's similar to your Mustang/Camaro/Corvette!

I do take some offence about being tarred with a brush - I'm not a typical woman and therefore not a typical woman driver. But, there are exceptions to every rule after all.

How can you take offense but then justify it?

I'd just like to make it clear though that I don't see any difference between the relative skill of either gender. But I somewhat disagree with it being somehow factual that its rare to see high powered cars in the hands of women, at least from my experience anyway, maybe I just live in a weird area

I think all I will agree on is that from an early age we are split as genders and hence its a little more natural for men to be more actively interested in cars and hence perhaps more alert when driving them. Thats a big perhaps though.

 

[Famine]

How can you take offense but then justify it?

Easily. Tell me how this isn't offensive:

Too many blacks drive these things which scares me as its too much power for most to handle IMO

(that's not what he said - though I only changed one group for another)

As for justifying it, I don't think she did. She did say that women typically have low speed collisions - compared to the typical high-speed impact for men. This is the basis of UK car insurance - actuarial data says that women make fewer and cheaper claims than men simply because the typical accident of a female driver is a lower speed collision.

Of course the implication from that is that if men have more and more expensive claims because they're going faster - and to go faster requires more power - it's men who typically can't handle more power...

What? Almost all the high powered cars I see lately have female drivers, its just as much a fashion statement for them as it is a measuring stick for men.

Ok, so they don't usually buy Lambo's, but then I barely see those to begin with.
But Porsches, Jaguars, Ferrari's, high end Mercedes and Beamers, you name it, I've seen both genders drive them.

I don't see how press on footballers is proof, seeing as its a very male-orientated game and they make a lot of money from it. Women don't really have the same opportunity to make a fool of themselves in that way, at least I can't think of a comparable example anyway.

And please don't try and make out your opinion as a "UK thing".

Surprisingly, I agree with my wife here. I can count on the fingers of no knees how many times I've seen any female driver of the first four (though I recall she has a friend who is a dentist [as is her husband] and drives a 996 Carrera). Mercedes and BMW, yes (though again, apply an AMG or ///M badge and it's back down to knees again).

I'd just like to make it clear though that I don't see any difference between the relative skill of either gender. But I somewhat disagree with it being somehow factual that its rare to see high powered cars in the hands of women, at least from my experience anyway, maybe I just live in a weird area

Well... you are in WAGland.

I've lived and worked all over the UK - though predominantly the east side - and I genuinely can't recall ever seeing a woman at the wheel of a Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche or Jaguar. Or Aston Martin, Lotus (with the exception of my wife, on a track day) or Maserati. BMW yes, BMW M Sport... rarely (usually E46 M3 convertibles), Mercedes all the time, AMG Mercedes never. Audi very much so (A4 convertible particularly), Audi RS never (again, with the exception of my wife and ///M-Spec's wife, both of whom I was passenger in an RS4 they were driving).

 

[Ardius]

^Its not so much the taking offense, its the then justifying it. If I was to be offended by something but still be open-minded to understand, then I don't consider myself very offended.

And yes, I guess its different for me consdering not 5 miles away from me is the place where Porsche sold the most Cayenne's.

 

[Prosthetic]

Might be a regional thing because I see women driving high powered cars EVERYWHERE. The one CGT that I've seen was a female driver. Those Z3M and Z4M seem to be very popular with women too.. I could hazard a guess that about 40% of Mustang drivers are female in this area... Majority of the men here are badge snobs so Mustang's aren't good enough for them.. Especially teens, they have to have the E36's y0.

 

[Jim Prower]

Most of the ladies around here with Mustangs have the V6 model...truth be told, it's the guys in the Mustangs I fear more, because they tend to drive their V8-equipped cars like a bat outta hell. "I has a bigger engine and bigger balls than you." geez.

Same group of young, blue collar men also has pickup trucks on mud tires, and with powerboat exhaust pipes, or...um....Gen IV F-bodies. Thankfully, the Challenger hasn't fallen into their hands yet, (though the Camaro is not far from it...I blame Transformers for that one...)

If there are women I fear, it's the ones in high-spec or entry-lux SUVs. They're the source of the bad woman driver stereotype, at least, for me...of course, I can't usually tell if it's a man or woman driving those things like they do....because both sexes in that upper-middle-class range tend to drive like that.

So, I guess I dont' really consider women bad drivers as a whole. Just...almost rich people.

 

[Watchman]

 

 

[Famine]

And yes, I guess its different for me consdering not 5 miles away from me is the place where Porsche sold the most Cayenne's.

That wouldn't be Alderley Edge by any chance?

You know, thinking about it, I've never seen a Cayenne moving. I've seen piggin' loads parked up, but never moving...

 

[Jim Prower]

Heh...I actually see a surprising number of (low-spec) Cayennes 'round here. Saw one last night...almost woulda missed it, save for the Xenon lamps...