GTP Cool Wall: V6 Hyundai Genesis Coupé . Voting Open!

[Jim Prower]

Eh...Cool. For some reason, I'm a bit more drawn to the turbo four.

 

[Boffin]

Because we are judging the car based upon "Coolness" not how good it is or how much it sucks.. And car's with terrible badges are uncool (in my opinion) no matter how good they are until that badge gets a nice reputation for "coolness" after a while. So if hyundai keeps producing cars that are fun and exciting to drive then they will deserve "cool", this might be a one hit wonder for all we know.

This is absolutely spot on.

It has nothing to do with good/bad cars. It has to do with cool/uncool brands. The Genesis is one of many cars which might change Hyundai's fortunes in the cool stakes and, in the future, may be remembered as a trailblazing and cool car.

But here and now, it's a Hyundai. And even awesome Hyundais are uncool.

So you guys both think that the Ferrari Mondial is a cool/sub-zero car? I honestly would have one of these over that dampest of damp Ferraris.

 

[mPWRD]

What? Hyundai? Uncool 👎

Oh, Jesus. I had a feeling I would find a "Hyundai = uncool" post very soon. I get where you're coming from, but with their recent resurgence, I'm surprised so many people aren't even giving this car a decent look. Since when have we had a legitimate alternative to the V8 Mustang that won't break the bank? Aside from the Mustang, this thing can blow the doors off anything within its price bracket. Also, it proves that V6s can be powerful AND cheap. I seriously don't know why Ford is floundering with that old boat anchor of a V6, but I hear the next Mustang will have an EcoBoost V6. Until that, this is the king of the hill when it comes to V6-powered coupes under $30K.

 

[Irons]

Considering it's a new car that I'm not appalled at how ugly it is, this actually looks decent. Nod-Worthy.

COOL

 

[Omnis]

Seriously uncool.
First: It's a hyundai
Second: For a couple more dollars you can get a brand camaro that is cool.
Third: The back looks a lot an Infiniti G37 Coupe.

To close this up I just hate this car.

First: I'll give you that.
Second: Yeah, because you'd look great in your seriously uncool bunker-car.
Third: No, it doesn't.

 

[JCE]

Subzero. It looks like it will Kung Fu grip your face and kill you. I love it.

 

[Dragonistic]

Being a Hyundai doesn't make this car uncool, this car makes a Hyundai cool.

 

[niky]

Cool. Despite the Hyundai badge... either way.

Not sub-zero because it has no street-cred... not yet.

Not uncool because it's a 300 horsepower V6 sportscar for less money than any other 300 horsepower V6 sportscar... grunty, growly engine... lots of power... halfway decent chassis... unique looks.

 

[Famine]

So you guys both think that the Ferrari Mondial is a cool/sub-zero car?

Why would you come to that conclusion from what was posted? That's one hell of a leap...

In any case, no. Ferrari = uncool.

300+ hp stock out of a v6 is pretty impressive.

Why?

It has 3.8 litres worth of V6. It's bang on the money for the average specific power output, nasp engine.

 

[Boffin]

Because we are judging the car based upon "Coolness" not how good it is or how much it sucks.. And car's with terrible badges are uncool (in my opinion) no matter how good they are until that badge gets a nice reputation for "coolness" after a while. So if hyundai keeps producing cars that are fun and exciting to drive then they will deserve "cool", this might be a one hit wonder for all we know.

This is absolutely spot on.

It has nothing to do with good/bad cars. It has to do with cool/uncool brands. The Genesis is one of many cars which might change Hyundai's fortunes in the cool stakes and, in the future, may be remembered as a trailblazing and cool car.

But here and now, it's a Hyundai. And even awesome Hyundais are uncool.

Why would you come to that conclusion from what was posted? That's one hell of a leap...

Well you may put an umbrella of uncoolness over Ferraris, and that's personal taste, which is fine. But there are a hulluva lot of Ferrari fans that hate the Mondial.

Why did you think it was a large leap? Both of you said that a badge makes up for a alot of what detirmines whether a car is cool or not - in this case Hyundai being uncool as a brand. I then asked about the lemons of lemons (Mondial) from a (widely regarded as) cool brand (Ferrari) which goes against the general idea being conveyed in your statements. Wherein lies the confusion?

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[Famine]

Wherein lies the confusion?

Well... I was talking about Hyundai being an uncool brand. There's no way on Earth to logically get from that to "you must think the Ferrari Mondial is cool".

 

[Boffin]

Well... I was talking about Hyundai being an uncool brand. There's no way on Earth to logically get from that to "you must think the Ferrari Mondial is cool".

And I was wondering if the same rule (of brand dictating alot of the cool factor - as you said in your post):

It has to do with cool/uncool brands.

can be applied the other way round - taking a (usually considered) cool brand and the most uncool car from it and I ask (to the people who find Ferrari cool) does the fact that its a Ferrari make the Mondial cool? I think not IMO.

 

[Famine]

And I was wondering if the same rule (of brand dictating alot of the cool factor - as you said in your post) can be applied the other way round - taking a (usually considered) cool brand and the most uncool car from it and I ask (to the people who find Ferrari cool) does the fact that its a Ferrari make the Mondial cool? I think not IMO.

The same rule applies because Ferrari are uncool.

But considering I said nothing about Ferrari in general or the Mondial specifically, I fail to see how me saying Hyundai are uncool means I must think the Ferrari Mondial is cool. As I said, there is no logical way to get from one to the other.

 

[Boffin]

The same rule applies because Ferrari are uncool.

But considering I said nothing about Ferrari in general or the Mondial specifically, I fail to see how me saying Hyundai are uncool means I must think the Ferrari Mondial is cool. As I said, there is no logical way to get from one to the other.

...and when did I say that you MUST think the Ferrari uncool. I asked do you (and we'll go over this one again) think that the same rule can apply to other brands such as Ferrari, as you said :

It has to do with cool/uncool brands.

Putting an 's' after the word 'brand' usually mean you are talking about more than one, brands in general and not strictly about Hyundai, which you seem to be getting caught up with. So that lead me to ask whether the same applies with Ferrari and the Mondial. I know very well that you were talking about the Hyundai - seeing as I've actually managed to turn on the computer and log myself into GTP doesn't mean I'm entirely incompetent. Talking about the Mondial may seem to be "far off" from the conversation in your eyes because a Ferrari is not a Hyundai (yeah, thanks - I could've deducted that one on my own), but I believe it has relevence because the case in point about a cool car from an uncool brand is similar to Ferrari's uncool car from a cool brand - just inverted. You agreed with the general statement that its about cool/uncool brands and the actual car has less relevence - so I am asking whether the Mondial (an uncool car) can have its coolness lifted by the fact its a Ferrari. Of course this rhetorical point won't have much impact on you because you instantly say that a Ferrari is uncool, but the same question directed at minds more open to the idea of a Ferrari I think would say that the Mondial is still an uncool car - even if its a Ferrari and they like Ferraris - thus contradicting your point to some degree.

 

[Famine]

...and when did I say that you MUST think the Ferrari uncool. I asked do you (and we'll go over this one again) think that the same rule can apply to other brands such as Ferrari

Er, no.

So you guys both think that the Ferrari Mondial is a cool/sub-zero car?

Why that assumption? Did I say anything at all regarding Ferrari?

I'll give you an example of why that's ridiculous:
Person 1: I think the Ford GT is an uncool car.
Person 2: Oh, so you think the Jiangling Landwind is cool then?

Putting an 's' after the word 'brand' usually mean you are talking about more than one, brands in general and not strictly about Hyundai

Correct. That's why I pluralised it. The concept can be applied to any brand. Other cool/uncool concepts can be applied to any brand too.

You agreed with the general statement that its about cool/uncool brands and the actual car has less relevence - so I am asking whether the Mondial (an uncool car) can have its coolness lifted by the fact its a Ferrari. Of course this rhetorical point won't have much impact on you because you instantly say that a Ferrari is uncool, but the same question directed at minds more open to the idea of a Ferrari I think would say that the Mondial is still an uncool car - even if its a Ferrari and they like Ferraris - thus contradicting your point to some degree.

Which would be fine if the two were connected in any way. Which they aren't.

Thinking car A is cool has no bearing on car B, even if the two cars are directly related. Thinking brand A is cool has no bearing on brand B, even if the two brands are directly related. And of course last and most important... cool is subjective. And of course people who think Ferrari are cool and the Mondial specifcally is also cool are entitled to hold that opinion, what with cool being subjective and all.

I reckon we could find about an even number of people who think Hyundai are cool but Ferrari are not (H+F-) and who think Hyundai are cool and Ferrari are also (H+F+) and that neither are cool (H-F-). There'd probably be more people who think Ferrari are cool but Hyundai are not (H-F+). Ultimately you'd have to conclude that there is no correlation at all.

Which begs the original question. Why bring the Ferrari Mondial up because someone says Hyundai are uncool?

 

[Jim Prower]

I think what he's trying to get at is that he feels it's daft to judge a book by it's cover, thus, it's daft to judge a car by the brand it's from.

I somewhat agree with him.

 

[AERO_HDT]

Totally UNCOOL.

You'd never pick up a chick in this car.

And if you did....

she'd prolly have extremely low standards.

 

[Famine]

I think what he's trying to get at is that he feels it's daft to judge a book by it's cover, thus, it's daft to judge a car by the brand it's from.

I somewhat agree with him.

In the case of good/bad, certainly. But not in cool/uncool. As I originally said:

It has nothing to do with good/bad cars. It has to do with cool/uncool brands. The Genesis is one of many cars which might change Hyundai's fortunes in the cool stakes and, in the future, may be remembered as a trailblazing and cool car.

But here and now, it's a Hyundai. And even awesome Hyundais are uncool.

And, in another GTP Cool Wall: Hyundai Genesis thread (why do these two completely different cars have the same name anyway?):

I'm sure the car in question does a whole bunch of things terribly well and has much about it to be lauded. This car could be the best car in the universe. But it doesn't matter. It's not a Good Wall. It's a Cool Wall and Hyundais are not cool. Yet.

 

[Sureboss]

It's a Hyundai. It's like asking if my washing machine is cool.

 

[Jim Prower]

Totally UNCOOL.

You'd never pick up a chick in this car.

And if you did....

she'd prolly have extremely low standards.

Note this: Chicks don't give a flippin' damn what kind of car you drive, just how much money you make.

 

[Radracing]

I vote mildly cool. Good effort on Hyundai, it may not be prefect but I welcome car companies on trying to build an affordable sports car. Now all we need is a bunch of tuners to make it "Sub Zero Cool" bring it on!

 

[Watchman]

I find it cool.

 

[Tornado]

@ Joey: I'm pretty sure the car is officially called the Genesis Coupe rather than just Genesis.

And, in another GTP Cool Wall: Hyundai Genesis thread (why do these two completely different cars have the same name anyway?):

To be fair, the normal Genesis wouldn't be that cool even if Hyundai was cool as a brand, being a barge and all.

 

[Joey D]

@ Joey: I'm pretty sure the car is officially called the Genesis Coupe rather than just Genesis.

You are probably right, I'll fix.

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

In my opinion, it's exactly the badge that makes this car cool. The fact that it's a Hyundai tells the world that the owner has bought it because he/she LIKES the car, not because they want to show off with it.

"Girlfriend test" also backs it up, she likes it more than the 370Z or the G35, although she thinks the headlights are "trying too hard to look cool."

Personally, I'd take the turbo four rather then the V6.

 

[Adamgp]

Cool.

Nice effort from Hyundai at making a decent rwd sports car. Although for around the same price, I'd take a Mustang GT.

 

[Lucas]

I'll give you an example of why that's ridiculous:
Person 1: I think the Ford GT is an uncool car.
Person 2: Oh, so you think the Jiangling Landwind is cool then?

Let me fix that for you.

I'll give you an example of why that's ridiculous:
Person 1: I think the Ford GT is an uncool car because it is a Ford.
Person 2: Oh, so you think the "uncoolest Lamborghini ever made" (and uncool in your opinion) should be cool just because it's a Lamborghini? (Asuming Person 1 thinks Lamborghini is a cool brand, obviously)

I'm not saying it's your case (Ford and Lamborghini). He never said you specifically liked Ferrari's, he just said "you guys".

Since you think that a cool car is uncool because of its brand, despite being awesome (as you noted with this particular car, Famine), then you must absolutely think that an uncool car is cool because of its brand (insert any brand you consider a cool brand, and choose the uncoolest car you can think of it).

It's the same reasoning, and it's perfectly valid. Just don't expect people to agree with it, because it's stupid.

Which begs the original question. Why bring the Ferrari Mondial up because someone says Hyundai are uncool?

In my opinion, he considers Ferrari to be a cool brand, but it doesn't make the Ferrari Mondail (uncool car) a cool car just because it's a Ferrari. Or at least that's the example. Since most people associate Ferrari's with cool cars (otherwise the brand wouldn't be so well known), he used that example. It's just not your particular case, Famine, and he made a mistake in asuming you associate Ferrari with Cool.

I think I explained myself quite well, though looking back at it, you guys may have some trouble understanding it.

 

[Radracing]

Totally UNCOOL.

You'd never pick up a chick in this car.

And if you did....

she'd prolly have extremely low standards.

Quite true on the pickup part and she would probably only get in the car for some money to do you a favor. If you know what I mean, but I wouldn't base a car to be cool just on that premise.

Cool.

Nice effort from Hyundai at making a decent rwd sports car. Although for around the same price, I'd take a Mustang GT.

Yeah but almost everybody drives a Mustang. If a person bought this it's probably because he or she wants to be different plus have some money left over to pickup some chicks or guys. Whatever the prefference would be.

 

[Famine]

Since you think that a cool car is uncool because of its brand

Which I don't. I think an uncool car is uncool because of its brand. That's the point.

It can't be a cool car made uncool by its brand. It's an uncool car because of its brand.

 

[McLaren]

Totally UNCOOL.

You'd never pick up a chick in this car.

And if you did....

she'd prolly have extremely low standards.

If you bought this car to pick up chicks in, then you're the one that is uncool, and probably a tosser. People buy this car because of the platform & because it's a good car, not to drive by the mall at night to pick up teenage girls.