GTP Cool Wall: Viper GTS-R Concept
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I actually learned something doing this one. I know it was a concept car, and the base for Gen.2 and the VCC, but I didn't know it was fully functional. By that I mean that not only did it run, but it had A/C and other amenities that worked. I do wish I knew where the car is now, hopefully not destroyed like most concepts are.
Also, you guys have to remember it was 2000, and the Viper was one of the fastest then. This one had more power than the Gen.1 car, and Gen.2 on had bigger engines. not to mention technology's unrelenting march forward means that most everything will be made obsolete in the future, by whatever means it's measured.
Also, you guys have to remember it was 2000, and the Viper was one of the fastest then. This one had more power than the Gen.1 car, and Gen.2 on had bigger engines. not to mention technology's unrelenting march forward means that most everything will be made obsolete in the future, by whatever means it's measured.
Specific output tends to imply quite a bit about an engine -- the nature of its torque curve, its intended purpose/use, expected longevity or maintenance requirements, how much performance potential is left...Higher specific output isn't "better," but a lower specific output in a performance-oriented engine implies that more power was left on the table, and also a more low-RPM-oriented torque curve. There are advantages to that sort of engine design -- there are tradeoffs any way you do it -- but it's not everyone's preferred "style".
If you're the type of person to like DOHC high-RPM screamers (I do myself), you can get a sense just from specific output that the Viper's engine isn't one of them. And that prediction is quite accurate -- its V10 was originally based on a truck engine and doesn't rev terribly high, having more of a grunty "muscular" character.
It obviously doesn't mean the Viper is slow, but I think eight6er is entitled to the opinion that it isn't cool.
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Which was a much better looking (if still rather silly and highly anti-social) vehicle.
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Bold bit might explain why I love Vipers.
^ Rather than digging the trenches and automatically dividing the subject into "us vs them", do you have anything to say about my post?
Dismissing specific output outright is just as daft as putting it on a pedestal to proclaim the ultimate superiority of 150hp 1.5L engines. If you do the "research" you mentioned, you'll find that 500hp out of 8.0L implies a grunty low-end sort of engine; by the definition of horsepower, if it could rev higher it would make more power with the sort of torque you can get out of 8.0L. As it turns out, the Viper's V10 is indeed a grunty low-end sort of engine. These threads are about "coolness" -- if you don't think grunty low-end engines are cool, that's your vote.
Dismissing specific output outright is just as daft as putting it on a pedestal to proclaim the ultimate superiority of 150hp 1.5L engines. If you do the "research" you mentioned, you'll find that 500hp out of 8.0L implies a grunty low-end sort of engine; by the definition of horsepower, if it could rev higher it would make more power with the sort of torque you can get out of 8.0L. As it turns out, the Viper's V10 is indeed a grunty low-end sort of engine. These threads are about "coolness" -- if you don't think grunty low-end engines are cool, that's your vote.
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The GTS-R Concept was the one of two cars I desperately wanted to drive before getting GT3.
That was 11 years ago though. And while I do like the Viper marque more than most, the Concept just looks ridiculous in my eyes these days. The Competition Coupe even more so.
Then they took elements of the design and made something much more easy on the eyes in the form of the SRT-10, of which I wouldn't have any problem voting "cool" for. Can't say the same for the Concept though.
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OK. The Viper has a 50/50 weight disribution, weighs around as much as the F430/458, and probably gets better mileage while being FR and having a steel frame. The engine obviously isn't weighing it down.
It does however give it power and perhaps more important, power over man revs, that will easy match a lot of other cars.
A 30L engine could potentially be quite heavy, but really on paper displacement tells you nothing about weight.
The published weight for the Audi R8's V-10 was more than that of the Z06 V-8 and the one in the S7 TT. I think hp/weight is an important number. hp/L, not so much.
But in the end, all those other things you mentioned are what's important. The actual hp/L means nothing unless maybe you don't know anything else about the engine.
Of course. But I don't see why hp/L on its own has anything to do with coolness. Or anything.
500 hp from a low weight, compact engine arrangement is uncool?
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My past self adored this car,still do.Also this image is probably one of the most used wallpapers ever
The specific output boys are here.
Because researching our claims would just be too much.
Ok, show me some 30L engines to research.
I'm not arguing whether it's fast or performs well. For me hp/L does come into it when deciding the coolness of a sports car, hp/L is important as I like engines that scream, that is cool to me. Low revving engines are not cool to me in a car like that. I can see it means nothing to you and it doesn't bother me in the least, you can decide coolness any way you like.
I think Wolfe does a decent job of describing why it matters.
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The dodge Viper is one of my Most Beloved american Super cars Because it uses Brute force rather than Charming sexy design like the italians But the 92 till 99 Viper GTS Was Very Very good looking to the eye it was suberb But this one Doesnt It not nice to look at Plus it was a Concept which was unfortunate . Of course it is A Very powerfull Monster like all other Vipers should be but it doesnt look right to me so meh for me
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Solid cool from me. Always liked this ever since it came out.
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I think the production version was way to watered down, boring looking compared to the previous generation.
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