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well i dont think that is fair turbo. i spent too much hours qualifing for group A. LOL but anyway.
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Interesting. I was more concerned about how the championship race towards the end where the top 8 of each group competes would be affected. You could make it so that the top 16(based on point accumulation) compete with the group A and B's having a points designations such as Group A includes the top 12 point scorers and group B has the rest. That way there is a bit of a "shuffle" between points and it would add an interesting level of competition, making it dynamic competition where everyone has a chance to race everyone.
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Yeah me either.
I honestly believe if we held a qualifying session tomorrow with open rooms, those lists would be fairly close. (not in that particular order though)
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Haha, I love it! Way to take charge Turbo!
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It's hard to explain.
Let's assume that there are two groups called group A and B. In real life, a system like this wouldn't be implemented since there are no room restrictions. So please remember that.
Group A and B both have equal points structures ranging from 18-2 points.
Group A consists of the top scorers, flat out. Group B consists of the rest. I don't like how that sounds, but that's what it is. We can see that the winners of group A and B win the same amount of points. If the top driver from group B, through a win, gains more points than the bottom driver of group A, then the driver group would be changed accordingly.
Assuming this list and how I, poorly, explained above, if Wardez is to win the next group B race and place place ahead of me in terms of points. That would move spy hunter to Group B and make up the grouping for the next race. I'm bad at explaining things. It might be easier if this is done on a Q&A basis.
Here's a rough chart of the above.
Actually, I was going to ask if people could post up their quickest competition lap times from Sunday and compile it in to that list you have there. 👍
Let's assume that there are two groups called group A and B. In real life, a system like this wouldn't be implemented since there are no room restrictions. So please remember that.
Group A and B both have equal points structures ranging from 18-2 points.
Group A consists of the top scorers, flat out. Group B consists of the rest. I don't like how that sounds, but that's what it is. We can see that the winners of group A and B win the same amount of points. If the top driver from group B, through a win, gains more points than the bottom driver of group A, then the driver group would be changed accordingly.
Assuming this list and how I, poorly, explained above, if Wardez is to win the next group B race and place place ahead of me in terms of points. That would move spy hunter to Group B and make up the grouping for the next race. I'm bad at explaining things. It might be easier if this is done on a Q&A basis.
Here's a rough chart of the above.
Actually, I was going to ask if people could post up their quickest competition lap times from Sunday and compile it in to that list you have there. 👍
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I see what you're saying now. Not sure if that would work ok or not....
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With everyone keeping their current points from the last two races, this is what the new points would look like:
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so i am not gonna race in group A again because of the points structure?
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When I made the list, points had nothing to do with it. I started by writing everyone's names down in which room I thought they should be in based off of performance from the first two races. Then I copied over the points.
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Don't confuse my suggestion with what Turbo did to the list. As Turbo said above, there were no allocations based on points.
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so the rooms will be like that for ever or there is going to be a new list based on third race performace?
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Will more than likely look like that for the rest of the season.
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This is fine by me, nice work on taking charge and making a decision 👍
I wish this would happen more often at work; instead we have to have a meeting to decide when the next meeting should be...
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it would be more fair if there is a qualification before each race to determine who gets in group A and group B. But i imagine that is never going to happen. Well i dont think is fair to judge people performance from their 2 first races and reassigning people from group a to group b and opposite during a championship to the rest of the champion. Do as u please is your tourney.
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I hope you dont feel like your being chastised or something, Turbo is just trying to make things as even as possible. I'm sure if you destroy Group B the next 2 races, then you deserve to be in Group A. On the other hand, if theres someone in Group A who isnt performing for whatever reason, maybe he will get dropped to Room B. If I run way off the pace for the next race or two, I dont expect to be in Group A, I'll be happy with Room B until I can prove to myself and everyone that I belong in Group A. And just remember, we were all put into Groups A and B from the autumn ring mini qualification, 1 lap, on 1 single track. I dont think that was supposed to reflect where all of us are meant to be placed for the entire series, since qualifying on 1 track is alot different than racing with others on another track. it was just a quick way to get things rolling and a way to roughly gauge how fast everyone is. At least thats the way I see it. I do like the idea of qualifying offline, and just posting "ok, my fastest lap is 2:00xx", and just order everyone in group A or B by their lap time. But I dont really see that jiving right now, since theres always going to be the speculation of someone not being truthful with their laptime.
But I think these discussions are all for the better, it will make things much better when next season rolls around, all these kinks will be worked out!
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I have to agree with Sonic here. The only way you are going to have close racing with evenly matched competitors through all depths of the field is through a a qualifier prior to each race that spans all of us. With striving to be real in so many other ways here, it boggles my mind why we don't just qualify and sort people out based on where they qualify each week for each track. It is very easy to do as well. So now we are grouped based on our points from racing with entirely different people? Makes no sense. Ironic though. I haven't even wanted to touch the miata since sunday and I'm actually snowed in right now.
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Think of it as the "winner's penalty" ballast in Touring Car racing. Say you're dominating B and getting lots of points. You get kicked up to A where the competition is theoretically stiffer. In the meantime, a backmarker in A is struggling a little, and drops down to B, where hopefully, you'll be a little more competitive, and start gaining more points...
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I am ok with the room change, even though it will hurt me the most. With the change, I will have effectively lost both of the first two races. This will make it even harder to climb back up into the top 8, for the year end race. But it is what it is. I'll go with it, as the competition should be closer.
As for the rest.... I'll go with whatever Turbo decides. I am enjoying this series very much, and see no reason for it to end.
One question: Is there a track coming up, that someone can use a shortcut on? Trial Mountain comes to mind, with the "Jump" (Turn 2) and the last right left before the front straight. Anywhere else? If not, why use penalties for a non-existent issue? Maybe trial run the rest of the tracks, looking for corner cutting opportunities, and if something is found, check to see if the penalties fix it. If it does, run penalties. If it doesn't, don't, and use the "file an official complaint" method.
As for the rest.... I'll go with whatever Turbo decides. I am enjoying this series very much, and see no reason for it to end.
One question: Is there a track coming up, that someone can use a shortcut on? Trial Mountain comes to mind, with the "Jump" (Turn 2) and the last right left before the front straight. Anywhere else? If not, why use penalties for a non-existent issue? Maybe trial run the rest of the tracks, looking for corner cutting opportunities, and if something is found, check to see if the penalties fix it. If it does, run penalties. If it doesn't, don't, and use the "file an official complaint" method.
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We can do that qualifier that you speak of, but I can almost guarantee that only a couple drivers will really move around. I would almost bet those lists are about 80% accurate.
Then I say we do it and make it official. The fact that people WILL move around, even if it's just a few, is the reason to do it. It puts people in the right rooms racing with the right people who are equal in pace. That is what SM is all about.
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Wouldn't we just be starting over, then?
I am fine with whatever, as I have already stated. However, we are two races into a 5 race series, and we want to make a bunch of changes now?! Re-org the whole thing? Sounds like starting over to me. Just saying.
IMHO, tweek if tweeks are needed. Wholesale change, go back to race 1.
I am fine with whatever, as I have already stated. However, we are two races into a 5 race series, and we want to make a bunch of changes now?! Re-org the whole thing? Sounds like starting over to me. Just saying.
IMHO, tweek if tweeks are needed. Wholesale change, go back to race 1.
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... so who do we think will be the first person to blame another driver of sandbagging? (I am not inferring that it will be you I am just saying that it will inevitably happen)
What happens if we have 24 qualifiers and I am 13th fastest, which qualifies me for Group B? Some people may say I did it on purpose so I could try and get an easy win. I would never do this, it's not in me, but how am I to prove that to everyone?
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At minimum I will be making the driver/room changes. I think doing that will increase the level of competition for both rooms. All other changes can wait for next season.
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