GTP Top Ten Cars of the '00s

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They are not in any order...and it was quite difficult to choose on short notice.

Porsche Carrera GT = No picture needed.

Pagani Zonda = No picture needed.

BMW M3 CSL
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Mercedes-Benz CLS
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Mercedes-Benz CLK AMG Black
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Ford Mustang Cobra "Terminator" (2003-2004) = No picture needed.

Ford Focus SVT (ST170) [pic is of my car!]
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Ford Fusion (North America) = No picture needed.

Ford GT = No picture needed.

Aston Martin DB9 = No picture needed.
 
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I thought about including the CLS, it is a great looking car, different for sure.

Seems the Zonda is the hot ticket! :lol:
I've never caught on to that myself, not sure why...
 
I added a couple pics anyway. The CLS is super sexy, I'd even take one in a V6 trim.
 
Concepts, prototypes, and racing vehicles are ridiculous. Only include cars that you could actually buy and drive.

That's why there aren't any Holden Torana TT36s, Holden EFIJYs or Cadillac Ciens on my list.;)
 
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But that Holden Torana sure did look good :D!

It would have been good, 3-Series size with a twin turbo V6 inside, but interior room like a 5-Series. I'm still hoping and praying we get something similar based off the new Cadillac ATS platform when it arrives. But not really the thread for it.:dopey:
 
That's why there aren't any Holden Torana TT36s, Holden EFIJYs or Cadillac Ciens on my list.;)

Yeah, I know, but the F1 cars and stuff... I mean, really?
 
In no order.

Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche 997 GT3 RS (mk. 1)
Renault Megane R26.R
Renault Clio V6 (Phase II)
Pagani Zonda F
BMW M5 (E60)
Ferrari 360CS
Ferrari 599 GTB
Aston Martin Vanquish S
Honda Civic Type-R (EP)
 
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Seems the Zonda is the hot ticket! :lol:
I've never caught on to that myself, not sure why...

Maybe you need glasses? I think it deserves a top ten on looks alone. And that's before you even think about all the supercarness of it.
 
Bear with me... this is going to be long...

Mazda Protege



At the turn of the decade, Mazda was a car company known for making the Miata and a bunch of other vehicles. Said other vehicles were anonymously handsome, if a bit anonymous, and vaguely sporty, if a bit slow. Then Mazda got serious, releasing hits such as the Mazda6 and RX8.

Before the award-winning 626-derived Mazda6, there was the forgotten 626-derived Protege. A solid little car with great balance and a sporty feel. The special edition MP3 went one better with a tighter geared steering rack and suspension, better anti-roll bars and 10 more horsepower.

But with just 142 ponies, it was pathetic in a straight line. And the brakes wilted after just a few hard stops. Despite these shortcomings, this car has been my benchmark for handling manners and steering feel since I got it. It’s only recently that I’ve driven mass-market econoboxes that can approach it in this regard. This was one of the best of the last of the hydraulic steering cars, and it’s been my daily driver for the past five years.

Mention could be made of the special edition Mazdaspeed Protege, but as it wasn’t very speedy and prone to chewing up LSDs and gearboxes, I won’t.

Still, in the end, they only made a few thousand MP3s, and a few more MSPs. How’s that for exclusive, eh, Ferrari?

*yes, I'm only including it because I own one... but who cares? All top ten lists that don't include the Prius and the Corolla are bound to be subject to debate... :lol:


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Ford Focus Mark 2 and 2.5



I’ve looked hard and long into my heart to see whether I could put the Mazda3 here. But I can’t. That’s because the Mazda3’s steering isn’t as good as the Protege’s. And the suspension, so supple at low speeds, goes all to pieces at high speeds over heaves.

But the Focus... never have two such similar products been so different.

The Focus’s steering is as feelsome as all get out. The suspension manages to be supple yet controlled at speed. And the balance is wonderful. It’s hard to believe that you could basically swap suspensions between the Focus and Mazda3 with little difficulty (shave a bolt here, a bolt there), yet the Focus feels so much better. Despite the compact rear suspension, excellent damping, camber control and passive rear steer make the Focus as easy as a go-kart to balance on the cusp of oversteer. Not that you could get much on the stock rubber, but it’s there.

The 2.5 facelift made it even better. Tweaks in the suspension fix the handling balance for the heavier 2.0 models and the Focus RS “revo-knuckle” blurs the final line between McPherson and double-wishbone suspensions. The Focus RS, in fact, finally makes 300 hp work in a front-wheel drive vehicle.

Who needs AWD?


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Honda Fit (1st generation)



Okay, so the 2nd generation car is twice as clever and twice as good, but the 1st generation Honda Fit is to the 00s what the Civic was to the 90’s. Sure, it’s got McPhersons and a rear cart axle instead of the double-wishbones and multi-link suspension of the older car, but clever suspension engineering and bushing deflection give it good handling. And the car’s stiff chassis and light weight make it a cracker to drive.

No, it’s not perfect. The ride is stiff-legged and the steering is complete 🤬, but the Honda Fit isn’t just about driving hard. The Honda Fit’s real party piece is the Swiss Army Knife interior. Infinite seating and cargo configurations, and an interior big enough to swallow a whale (must.resist.using.the.word.Tardis...). Sure, some competitors, like the Suzuki Swift and Mazda2, may be more fun in some aspects, but no other small car comes quite so close to convincing you your full-sized motor is now obsolete.

And it gets 30 mpg at full blat. That’s as guilt-free as hoonery gets.


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Mini (1st/2nd generation BMW Mini)



It’s retro that actually works. The Mini shows that you can sell economical cars to rich people, as long as they’ve got style. Never mind that there are premium compacts that are more practical (and actually have a rear seat), none of them have the panache of the Mini. And the Mini drives well, too. With a square wheelbase and a low center of gravity, it drives like a closed-roof go-kart. Hyperkinetic. The electric steering has gone all soft in the new generation, but even without resorting to “Sport” mode, it’s still tight and responsive. The engines feel bigger than they actually are, thanks to the (relative) light weight, and driving at the edge has never been so easy.

Okay... so maybe it’d be better if they ditched the runflats (our local dealership has, thankfully) and more space would be nice (without the ugly Clubman styling), but since when have premium cars been logical?


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Nissan 350Z / Hyundai Genesis V6 Coupe



I’ve called the 350Z, at one time or another, a horseman of the apocalypse. When manufacturers start making stupidly powerful sports cars with affordable price tags, that means that the common man has reached a point where he has total contempt for the amount of petrol he consumes on his way to work, which means an oil crisis is inevitable. The 350Z heralded the return of the rear-wheel drive sports car for the masses, rendered extinct when the overweight, overpriced 300ZX twin-turbo finally died out during the last oil crisis. The 350Z returned to the 240Z ethos, small, simple car, zingy engine. Okay, maybe it is a porker compared to the original, but it’s as simple as a sportscar can be in this day and age without being a Miata. Pre-350Z, we had bumpkis (okay, we had the S2000, but that’s a dinosaur. A Velociraptor, yes, but still a dinosaur). Post-350Z, we got the new Mustang, the Camaro, the RX8... and now, the Genesis.




The Genesis takes power for the masses to a new level, giving people high performance and style for peanuts. And it signals that, yes, Hyundai is now serious business. Here is a sportscar built from the ground up, with engines developed completely in-house, by a company whose previous sportscar was a front-wheel drive coupe with engines and bones rooted in stone-age Mitsubishis. Ironic, then, that Mitsubishi is now buying engines from them. He who laughs last...


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Audi RS4




Okay, so maybe the R8 put Audi on the map as a serious supercar maker for the 21st century. 4 comes before 8. It was the V8-Quattro RS4 that showed us all that Audi had suddenly remembered how to make cars fun again. The RS4 had a rorty, high-revving V8 mounted too far forward over the front axle, mated to Audi’s all-wheel drive (more at home pulling estates through snow than defying physics), and stuck in the dowdy A4 bodyshell.

Yet here was the first Audi to seriously worry BMW. It was leery, it was gnarly, it was fun. Too bad the synergies didn’t carry over too well into the TT range... and too bad Audi eventually lost interest and spent more time trumpeting something called the R10 TDi (which has yet to spawn a diesel Audi supercar... pity). For one brief shining moment, the RS4 was “it”.


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BMW X5



It’s an SUV, strike one. It’s a stupidly expensive SUV, strike two. It’s a stupidly expensive SUV that can't even go off-road, strike three. And yet, the first time I encountered an X5 on a public road was at 3 in the morning, doing over a hundred miles an hour uphill, with me giving chase. Each time we got to a tricksy corner, I’d pull up on him in perfect position to pass, as this two ton behemoth struggled against inertia and its own stupidly high center of gravity.

I never did complete that pass. Because he’d soon be past the apex of the corner and I’d be fighting the steering wheel and my own lack of mechanical grip. He had four-wheel drive, ultra-wide tires and a sophisticated computer system helping him out. All I had was ABS, a worn set of gums and a car that struggled to keep up on the straights.

So it’s a stupidly expensive car by a company that prides itself on making “The Ultimate Driving Machines” that corners almost as well as a warmed-over economy car and needs the computing power of NASA to do so. I was hooked. Instantly. The absurdity of it all only came more into focus when I finally got to drive one years later. It cornered well, felt light on its feet, and danced between turns like an oversized Miata. Delightful.

Sure, the Cayenne soon completely overshadowed the X5, with its better interiors, actual off-road capability and a nameplate worth its weight in gold. It was still the X5 that started the whole thing. It put the “Sport” back into Sport Utility Vehicles, leading to all manner of stupidly expensive, stupidly powerful, stupidly capable SUVs. As such, it’s probably as much a horseman of the carpocalypse as the 350Z, but at least it comes in diesel. And that diesel variant, surprisingly, is as much fun as it is economical.

Still stupidly expensive.


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Nissan GT-R



It was either this or the Veyron. But the Veyron has four engines welded together at the sump, four turbos, sixeen kajillion radiators, a gearbox that costs a small country and bespoke tires. Anything with that much hardware crammed into it is going to be epic, no matter how much it weighs. The Nissan, on the other hand, makes do with a bored-out V6, two measly turbos and a single radiator. It’s got sticky tires, but they’re off-the-shelf items. It doesn’t even make half as much power as the Veyron. But no other performance car has generated as much hype or controversy over the past few years as the GT-R.

The GT-R is proof positive that clever engineering trumps physics, every time. With a measly 485 bhp and a porky curb weight just a few Big Macs shy of the Veyron, it conquers many lighter (and often more powerful) sports cars with ease. But it wasn’t always an overachiever. The current GT-R’s abilities came about because Nissan threw a fit when their new supercar couldn’t break below 7:50 on the Nurburgring. They hired a small outfit called Lotus (of Isuzu Trooper fame) to redo the suspension.

That suspension tweaking, some better tires, a low-friction drivetrain, clever variable geometry turbos and more computers than ten X5s all conspired to make the GT-R faster than a Porsche 911 Turbo. And a Corvette Z06. And a few Ferraris, as well.

The GT-R serves as an online intelligence test. If you don’t understand why peak power numbers aren’t as important as average horsepower, and that traction is often more important than power on a slippery road, you’ll never understand the GT-R.

I’d still prefer a Porsche GT3, though.


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Pagani Zonda




The Veyron may have stolen the limelight from the Zonda as the supercar of the decade, but the Zonda still stands as the perfect marriage of traditional supercar values and modern performance. It’s a work of art on wheels, and the fact that it’s ultra-lightweight, drives well, is actually reliable and has the most perfect carbon fiber weave ever laid by hand is merely icing on the cake. This is the true successor to the McLaren F1 (lightness uber alles) and sets a new benchmark for exotics.

Not much to say about this one. It simply speaks for itself. The Zonda is pure automotive car porn.

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Thank goodness Wikimedia has all these photos in easily thumbable sizes. :lol:
 
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Any chance you could include one or two slightly bigger pictures? Only some of those are a little small for me to be able to see
FROM SPACE.

They weren't that size when I selected them. Some of those pictures have that stupid option that lets you magnify them to ridiculous sizes, but I didn't realise the computer would choose the larger of the two options, sorry!
 
Maybe you need glasses? I think it deserves a top ten on looks alone. And that's before you even think about all the supercarness of it.

Maybe I don't.

Maybe uber powerful crazy looking supercars aren't my thing.
It's not that I don't think they are cool, they are, I just was not the kid that had a supercar poster on his wall when I was little. Alright, maybe I had an XJ220, but that's it :lol: But I never gave the supercars all that much thought.
 
I'm going to attempt to go for influential cars of the '00s...though one'll probably reflect personal preference.

10. Bugatti Veyron

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I don't much like it...but I can still appreciate it. It is, really, the ultimate road car. Anything else in it's speed class is simply a racing car with numberplates...this is, simply put, the best of everything. The best engineering, the best luxury, the best workmanship. If there's ever been a car like it throughout history, it's gotta be the Duesenberg SSJ.

9. 2nd-Gen Cadillac CTS

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In a time that GM seemed to make every wrong decision they could, they made a few right ones. This is one of them. Finally, a true, world-class Cadillac, something that, in my opinion, not been seen since before WWII. It won't connect you like a BMW, and it's not as cushy as a Mercedes, but it does everything competently.

8. Lexus RX, 2nd Gen.

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I included this in the list, simply because it has come to define the modern Crossover Utility Vehicle, this decade's Station Wagon. Front-drive, sedan platform-based archetecture, bean-shaped body, V6 engine. Yes, it's among the most boring and least engaging vehicles you can buy, but when fuel-hoarding SUVs became Taboo, these started to take their place in droves.

7. Ford Fusion Mk I

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Ever heard "Right place at the right time?" As the late '00s saw the influence of the Chrysler LX starting to force the issue of big, RWD sedans, with GM bringing their Holden Platform to the U.S., Ford instead decided to use and promote a smaller, FWD platform. It was as good as the Imports on every level, it was fairly attractive (especially compared to other Fords of the Gilette era,) and was even marginally quick. Most importantly, it kept Ford moving forward through the tough times of the Recession.

6,5,4: The Rear-wheel-drive Sports Coupe: Nissan Z, Ford Mustang, and Huyndai Genesis (in no particular order, includes 350/370Z and last-gen Mustang)

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The '90s saw the completion of Front-Wheel Drive's conquest of automotivedom that started in the '80s. However, all the sudden, in the last half of the decade, RWD struck back with a vengance. Blame Drifting, superior dynamics, or new technologies to save fuel, but RWD now has a firm foothold back. The Retro Mustang inspired the other Big Two to develop their own throwback "ponycars," and then proceeded to serve them both a slice of humble pie. The Z inspired other manufacturers to return to RWD...the Genesis, especially, which is Huyndai's first serious entry into the market. And the Genesis is starting to force the issue even FURTHER, bringing about the FT-86....

3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 C6

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notsomuch influential as downright insane. I'm not at all certain GM engineers developed this car...It seems like GM Powertrain handed Wangan MidNight character Jun Kitami a C6 and said, "Here, go nuts." 638 horsepower, top speed WELL over 200 mi/h, supple suspension made for long, high-speed blasts...If Akio Asakura didn't have a Z, he'd have one of these.

2. Nissan GT-R

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Sure, it has a fanbase only second to that of Krystal in the number of people who laud it. And it's styling isn't everyone's cup of tea. And purists bemoan it's electronics. But...but...It has caused everyone else in the car industry to do a double-take. It was built in an unabashedly Japanese way, an unabashedly FUNCTIONAL way. It's the ultimate engineering project. It's awesome.

1. Toyota....

Toyota.....

Prius. >X

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There is no one car that better defines this decade. This is the car that took Toyota to the top, deservingly or undeservingly. It became the symbol of the extreme leftward shift of American Society...At the height of liberal-conservative conflict, Priuses and Hummer H2s were torched because of the sides of the aisle they represented. It represents the power of the left, who love it's souless greenness, it's supposed "advancement of society." It's even fooled car buyers into thinking that Toyota's CAFE is the best. (It's not by any means. That belongs to Honda.)

It shows just how big of sheep we really are.
 
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PS3: YSSMAN, what about counting the cars we repeat so we can make a GTP Top Ten list? The most repeated car wins #1 spot and so on. Is it a stupid idea or not?

We could do that, but there would have to be significant enough interest in it to do so. Furthermore, while the competitions can be very fun, occasionally it can get very personal and very heated. I'd love to get a group of people together to decide what they think was best, but it would seem fairly reasonable that it wouldn't exactly be the most "fair" way to look at the cars either.

If you've seen one in the flesh, then call it whatever you want, but you may be very surprised. I certainly was.

I've seen one, it was on a display, so of course it looks better than it should. I will agree that the back end is wonky, especially when the top is up, but I still like it. But really, any of the 575Ms are amazing. No matter how awesome the 599 may be, I'd take the older GT over it any day.
 
I'm going to attempt to go for influential cars of the '00s...though one'll probably reflect personal preference.

10. Bugatti Veyron

I don't much like it...but I can still appreciate it. It is, really, the ultimate road car. Anything else in it's speed class is simply a racing car with numberplates...this is, simply put, the best of everything. The best engineering, the best luxury, the best workmanship. If there's ever been a car like it throughout history, it's gotta be the Duesenberg SSJ.

9. 2nd-Gen Cadillac CTS

In a time that GM seemed to make every wrong decision they could, they made a few right ones. This is one of them. Finally, a true, world-class Cadillac, something that, in my opinion, not been seen since before WWII. It won't connect you like a BMW, and it's not as cushy as a Mercedes, but it does everything competently.

8. Lexus RX, 2nd Gen.

I included this in the list, simply because it has come to define the modern Crossover Utility Vehicle, this decade's Station Wagon. Front-drive, sedan platform-based archetecture, bean-shaped body, V6 engine. Yes, it's among the most boring and least engaging vehicles you can buy, but when fuel-hoarding SUVs became Taboo, these started to take their place in droves.

7. Ford Fusion Mk I

Ever heard "Right place at the right time?" As the late '00s saw the influence of the Chrysler LX starting to force the issue of big, RWD sedans, with GM bringing their Holden Platform to the U.S., Ford instead decided to use and promote a smaller, FWD platform. It was as good as the Imports on every level, it was fairly attractive (especially compared to other Fords of the Gilette era,) and was even marginally quick. Most importantly, it kept Ford moving forward through the tough times of the Recession.

6,5,4: The Rear-wheel-drive Sports Coupe: Nissan Z, Ford Mustang, and Huyndai Genesis (in no particular order, includes 350/370Z and last-gen Mustang)

The '90s saw the completion of Front-Wheel Drive's conquest of automotivedom that started in the '80s. However, all the sudden, in the last half of the decade, RWD struck back with a vengance. Blame Drifting, superior dynamics, or new technologies to save fuel, but RWD now has a firm foothold back. The Retro Mustang inspired the other Big Two to develop their own throwback "ponycars," and then proceeded to serve them both a slice of humble pie. The Z inspired other manufacturers to return to RWD...the Genesis, especially, which is Huyndai's first serious entry into the market. And the Genesis is starting to force the issue even FURTHER, bringing about the FT-86....

3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 C6

notsomuch influential as downright insane. I'm not at all certain GM engineers developed this car...It seems like GM Powertrain handed Wangan MidNight character Jun Kitami a C6 and said, "Here, go nuts." 638 horsepower, top speed WELL over 200 mi/h, supple suspension made for long, high-speed blasts...If Akio Asakura didn't have a Z, he'd have one of these.

2. Nissan GT-R

Sure, it has a fanbase only second to that of Krystal in the number of people who laud it. And it's styling isn't everyone's cup of tea. And purists bemoan it's electronics. But...but...It has caused everyone else in the car industry to do a double-take. It was built in an unabashedly Japanese way, an unabashedly FUNCTIONAL way. It's the ultimate engineering project. It's awesome.

1. Toyota....

Toyota.....

Prius. >X

There is no one car that better defines this decade. This is the car that took Toyota to the top, deservingly or undeservingly. It became the symbol of the extreme leftward shift of American Society...At the height of liberal-conservative conflict, Priuses and Hummer H2s were torched because of the sides of the aisle they represented. It represents the power of the left, who love it's souless greenness, it's supposed "advancement of society." It's even fooled car buyers into thinking that Toyota's CAFE is the best. (It's not by any means. That belongs to Honda.)

It shows just how big of sheep we really are.

What an excellent post! Although I couldn't really relate to many of the USDM cars mentioned as I have no experience with them, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and found myself nodding along to many of the points you made. The part about the Prius is particularly well thought through 👍
 
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Honorable mentions: Audi S4, Bugatti Veyron, Chrysler 300C, Ford Mustang, Ford F150, Honda Fit, Honda Odyssey, Infiniti G35, Lotus Elise, Subaru Impreza WRX and Porsche 911.


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M-Spec I would argue that those are slightly general, considering there have been two generations of 3-series, three Golf GTis, four Mitsubishi Evos, two Porsche Boxsters, two MX-5s and at least two Accords in the '00s.

Same with Fit, Mustang, Impreza and 911.
 
That'll be why he's posted the exact model iterations in the image.
 
Or he posted a picture a generic picture of the cars as it's not possible to have a car that is both an E46 and an E90 3 series at once.
 
We must be looking at different pictures. I can only see the E46...
 
I think what Famine means is that M-Spec believes the E46 was the best 3-Series of the last ten years (though admittedly the 3-Series he's used is the pre-facelift model which arrived before the millennium - the post facelift looked a little more aggressive, as in the pic below), and likewise with the Miata, of which the picture shows the "Mk 2.5" NB model, which again many prefer to the NC (and the Mk2 NB that arrived in 97/98 ish).

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I was considering posting the Miata myself but didn't feel the NC deserved it's place, and I don't personally class the Mk2.5 as an entirely new model. Plus, after the Smart, Elise and Tesla I already had more than enough roadsters...
 
I can't be bothered to explain Famine because you're being deliberately difficult.
 
I can't be bothered to explain Famine because you're being deliberately difficult.

Excuse me?

You're saying a Supermoderator can't have his choices because they're too generic because there were too many models of those types. I pointed out that he's nominated specific models, illustrated by the pictures he chose. You say that's not good enough for some reason and I'm being "deliberately difficult"?

///M-Spec picked the E46 3-series. He pictured the E46 3-series. You brought the E90 into it for no good reason.
 
M-Spec posted the picture of the 3-Series for example.

I thought maybe he meant the 3 Series in the '00s as a whole i.e. late E46 to E90.

Famine suggests that the pictures show which generation he means.

I reply saying that maybe it's not possible to show a picture of one car which is both an E46 and E90 at the same time, but rather that the picture shows the most popular/most recognizable version of said model family.

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore.
 
I reply saying that maybe it's not possible to show a picture of one car which is both an E46 and E90 at the same time, but rather that the picture shows the most popular/most recognizable version of said model family.

...or perhaps the pictured model is the actual model he chose, of all the available generations of 3-Series. I can't see how Famine was being difficult :odd:
 
I would have put the Miata, but the NB is a spec that was created in the late 90's... and I really couldn't nominate the NC.

M-Spec posted the picture of the 3-Series for example.

Which was the E46.

I thought maybe he meant the 3 Series in the '00s as a whole i.e. late E46 to E90.

And knowing him, he meant the E46.

Famine suggests that the pictures show which generation he means.

Which just about everyone else who sees the picture also thinks.

I reply saying that maybe it's not possible to show a picture of one car which is both an E46 and E90 at the same time, but rather that the picture shows the most popular/most recognizable version of said model family.

So... what's the problem? If he meant the E46 and the E90, considering the amount of time and effort he put into making that picture, he probably would have put in the E90... right?

I'm not going to post in this thread anymore.

Okay.
 
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