GTP WTAC Week 56 : Classic Revisit

[Detroitbb]

GTP WTAC Week 56 : Classic Revisit​

*** I'm going to be brief here: The number 7 Chaparral 2D is a lesser known car from this now-defunct American racing car company (the title of 'most known' goes to the aptly nicknamed, "Vacuum Cleaner" - the Chaparral 2J). The other car, the number 6 GT40 (from a slightly more known manufacturer, Ford... he he he) is shown in the infamous Gulf Oil paint scheme. These two cars did compete at the same time and even directly against one another on a couple of occasions. We in the WTAC will be reliving one of these past battles. Save up the necessary credits to buy these two expensive - but very beautifully styled - pure race cars. This challenge promises to be both memorable and highly entertaining! ***




1. Track : Circuit de la Sarthe (Old)

2. Cars : Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 & Ford GT40 '69

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IMPORTANT ! This is a combined times challenge: you'll need to run both cars; rankings will be made based on your combined times.

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3. Cars specifics:

- Transmission: either
- Tires: R1 / R1
- TCS : at your disposal
- ASM : off
- Active Steering : off
- Driving Physics : Professional

All in-game quick-tune options are at your disposal (Press Triangle when selecting your car to add the car to your favorites and tinker with any available settings).

Hybrid cars, the use of CFW tuning or any other way of cheating (such as the Action Replay for PSP) is forbidden...

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4. Duration of the challenges : this challenge will start Monday June 13th 4:00 pm GMT+2 and will end Monday June 20th 3:59 pm GMT+2 (one week !)

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5. Time submission :

You'll have to post your Ghost Replay Data + Photo before Monday June 20th 3:59 pm GMT+2. If you miss the deadline, your laptimes won't be in the website.

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6. Rules :

You'll have to follow the Host and Compete in a GT Planet Time Attack Challenge (GTPTAC) You'll have to follow the Host and Compete in a GT Planet Time Attack Challenge (GTPTAC) ! Just to remind you :
Clean or Dirty lap :
- Colliding with or using walls, fences, cones or other obstacle is forbidden. All times submitted must be 100% wall free.
- Two wheels (except when airborne, where the vertical projection of the car onto the track counts) must be in contact with the tarmac which does not include all green/grassed/sanded/graveled areas.
- NO SPARKS! (this does not include 'bottoming' the car out on the tarmac or rumble strips; but does include walls/barriers)
Rumble/ripple strips :
- having two wheels/tires on a corner's inside rumble strips and two off track is considered unclean
- having two wheels/tires on a corner's outside rumble strips and two off track is considered clean.


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7. LeaderBoards

The leaderboards will be on the website

 

[vaughan]

Mad, a horrible track for me!
Fight for NOT running out of the track!

 

[easyasashii]

My first short session yesterday with the Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 -impressive by the way !- gave me a 3'35.xxx. (without cutting the Ford Chicanes on the previous lap...)

About cutting the chicanes, here is what we said the first time this matter was brought up (GTP WTAC Week 17: 1.3-liter Mazda Renesis vs. 5.0-liter Ford Windsor SVO V8) :

Just curious if anyone is cutting the final chicanes to get a faster run onto their clean lap?

Are you asking whether or not people do it at the end of their lap or at the beginning of the first one (that is just a lead-in and doesn't actually count as the clock isn't running yet)?

So does it mean it is ok to cut the chicane before a clean lap in order to have a great lead in ? I mean, 'restart', cut, new lap begins, and ends clean, ok or not ?

We've never had to deal with this before. In most of the other challenges, a racer needed to complete a full lap to get up to speed when you crossed the starting line.

When my son picked his PSP back up on Tuesday afternoon, he did a few laps against my ghost and I noticed him getting a full car length lead at the start - it seems he was cutting the final chicane in order to carry more speed for the beginning of a new lap. Technically, it's not part of any clean lap (it's part of the previous 'dirty' lap). And I don't know how I'd enforce it if we were to disallow that tactic - the replay only begins at the start of the clock (so we couldn't see it). On the other hand, it's not in the spirit of the race/competition.

This is a tough call to make. Without having direct evidence in the replay files, I might have to make a call on circumstantial evidence (without direct factual proof). I would hate to unfairly dismiss a racer's time because I thought that they might have done something wrong.

What do you guys think? Should we not allow it and try to make judgement calls on the replays? Or should we just allow it mainly because of the technicality and the logistical nightmare of trying to enforce the situation? Either way is fine with me - I see 'pros' and 'cons' with each decision.


On a lighter note, my son comes over tonight and I hope to be able to run some laps again. Yay!

here are my thoughts :

Don't bother about it this time ! Maybe next time we have a challenge at La Sarthe or another track where we might have the same situation we should speak about it at the very beginning to avoid being in a delicate situation...

It sure would be better to stay clean all way long, however I have to admit I did the "mistake" to clip a little bit too far the last chicane's last corner too...

I personaly will post a lap with a clean chicane on previous lap, so I now officially have a 3'56.714 with the mazda -didn't really have the time to play more-.

For this challenge, I think the best thing we have to do is to let the driver take his own decision and no further comment should be told on the matter...

So good point : next time we shouldn't have the same problem !

Good luck guys and please note that the most important thing is to post a clean lap, cutting or not the previous chicane is up to you...

That's my point of view...

Good luck !

 

[pvr77]

Yeah... tough call, I don't know but we have to decide soon.

 

[red ice]

Suggestion:
The fastest guys in WTAC ( Gold/Silver/Bronze finishers) should set a speed norm within 5seconds off the START/FINISH line (MPH or KPH). Considering They set out a clean entry exit off the final chicane, the rest of the guys should be slower than that speed.
Speed norms for both cars should be set until friday. The host calculates the average speed of 3 racers and any LAP gaining a full car length above that will be voided.

When reviewing clean laps at the end of the week, judgment will be based on that speed.
Anyone exceeding that norm would likely be highly questionable.

 

[pvr77]

^I was thinking along the same lines as red ice, when I cross the finish line in the GT-40 with a clean entry/exit of the last chicane I'm doing ± 160 kph. I'll check the 2D when I get home.

👍

 

[red ice]

NICE! pvr77. That was fast!

 

[easyasashii]

^I was thinking along the same lines as red ice, when I cross the finish line in the GT-40 with a clean entry/exit of the last chicane I'm doing ± 160 kph. I'll check the 2D when I get home.

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^ I had a 165 km/h average with the 2D (best was 167 km/h but almost unclean..., L-F tuning) when crossing the line, we have to set it in mph and km/h to be clear for anyone...

 

[Detroitbb]

Great idea, guys! I'll find out my times for both cars this evening and post them here tomorrow.

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[Oni91]

Oh crikey, I'm going to have to save up for these quite a bit. Something tells me I probably won't be up for this one

 

[easyasashii]

Great idea, guys! I'll find out my times for both cars this evening and post them here tomorrow.

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Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 : 3'33.302 (some unclean 3'32.xxx.)

I also crossed the line at 168 km/h, but really hard to see clearly as the speed increases very fast !

I haven't run the GT40 yet, I'm really enjoying this 2D !

 

[Detroitbb]

Oh crikey, I'm going to have to save up for these quite a bit. Something tells me I probably won't be up for this one

If you can't buy these classic (and expensive) cars before Sunday, be sure to get the next two cars that we'll be using: Opel Speedster Turbo '00 & Lotus Elise 111R '04

👍

 

[easyasashii]

^ ! Now I understand what Oni91 meant ! I was like "save up for these quite a bit" , I really wasn't there at all !!! I was in save the ghost replay... ! Sorry Oni91 !

 

[Detroitbb]

Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 M 3'33.302, some unclean 3'32.xxx. I haven't run the GT40 yet, I'm really enjoying this 2D !

It's crazy that it only has three gears! The 2D feels so balanced on the track and is, ultimately, faster than the GT40. The Ford car is a tougher beast to try and tame - the big back end slides out way too easily. That's why the GT40 will require the most effort and will be the source of most of our frustrations this week.

On a side note - I would love to take the 2D out on Nurburgring. I imagine that would be a really nice drive!

 

[Detroitbb]

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[Oni91]

Oh freaking SWEET I've managed to get a 2D. Loving the car.

First run is a clean 3'38.8. I know I could shave about 3-5 seconds off if I'm a bit braver in the corners, especially the Porsche curves. Now I just need to get a GT40.

 

[Detroitbb]

Oh freaking SWEET I've managed to get a 2D. Loving the car.

First run is a clean 3'38.8. I know I could shave about 3-5 seconds off if I'm a bit braver in the corners, especially the Porsche curves. Now I just need to get a GT40.

That deserves two thumbs up! 👍👍

 

[red ice]

Oh freaking SWEET I've managed to get a 2D. Loving the car.

First run is a clean 3'38.8. I know I could shave about 3-5 seconds off if I'm a bit braver in the corners, especially the Porsche curves. Now I just need to get a GT40.

👍👍👍
I started out with the 2D Chaparral
3'42.xxx
grrrr

 

[Detroitbb]

I tested both car's speed at the start/finish line after making a clean run through the chicanes and both of the cars seem to cross at 104-105 MPH in my fastest instances (so that would be in the range of 167-168 KPH).


I currently have the Chaparral 2D at 3'32.xxx and the Ford GT40 at 3'40.xxx.

 

[Detroitbb]

I tried out turning the aerodynamics down all the way on the 2D and, while it is faster in the long straight, my laptimes were the same as with the setting turned all the way up (such as L-F tuning)... and I'm guessing that I'm losing too much grip in the turns. I'll need to find the balance between good grip and a higher top speed. That's something that we rarely ever need to worry about in the WTAC as the gains in overall speed is tiny in the course of one normal GT PSP track lap (but would add up in a 2 or 3 hour race). But in a couple of cases, like here at la Sarthe and Nurburgring, the laps are long enough for the tiny speed gains to add up to a decent amount of time reduced in a single lap.

I should also mention that the Test Course is also perfect for employing this method, but we've never used this course in a TAC/WTAC before. And I'm still undecided on if we should in a future challenge (I think I lean slightly to the 'yes' side... but only slightly).

I don't envision myself trying this on the Ford GT40. That car is already a bit too challenging with maximum front and rear downforce, so lowering those settings would likely be disastrous!

 

[easyasashii]

3'31.xxx with the 2D (L-F tuning), no time with the GT40 but I tried it and wow... I'll need patience...

 

[pvr77]

First time with the GT-40, 3'41.100...

Le Sarthe isn't one of my strong tracks.

 

[Dan360]

My first times with the GT40 is a 3'37.1xx and for the Chapparal 2d - 3'28.8xx .

Small tip: I find it that going down the middle of the Mulsanne Straight (where is seperates the sides of the road) makes me go faster by about 1/2mph. It wont improve lap times that much but the right racing line is crucial, especially in this track!

 

[easyasashii]

^ thanks for the tip 👍 !

Chapparal 2d - 3'28.8xx

 

[Detroitbb]

I'm still stuck on 3'32.xxx and 3'40.xxx!

 

[red ice]

did some improvement with the 2d
3'37.xxx
EPIC FAIL!!

 

[Detroitbb]

Am I the only person not seeing normal time gains with this challenge? I usually expect to get a second or two knocked off my time when I first start to tune my cars (I do that starting mid-week). But this week, I've been unable to get good improvements on the track.

 

[vaughan]

Chapparal 2d - 3'43.9xx. My goal is 3'41.xxx.
Maybe no time for GT40 which is so uncontrollable..

 

[Dan360]

Wow, the Chaparral is a hidden gem in GT PSP. I thought that it was an oversteer happy race car but it's more than that. The same can be said about the GT40. Not the best car in terms of handling but it is still fun to drive. I'm keeping both cars on my favourites! 👍👍

Chaparral 2D - 3'28.494

Ford GT40 - 3'35.536

Combined time: 7'04.030

 

[red ice]

^impressive^ times dan!