GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 37 : The Tsukuba 500

[Sjaak]

17.078
21.083

Found the tenths in T2 but lost to much in t3.
But closer to my goal for this week.

 

[EDK]

I think the fully adjustable tranny in this car only has 5 gears.

That's why I was confused.

Sorry about that.

5th all the way to the right, 1st all the way to the left, and then adjust the in between gears accordingly. 2nd closer to left, 3rd about in the middle, 4th closer to the right.

 

[Anghammarad]

First 20 laps or so. Used Kevin's tune with some changes to camber and toe and non changed gears.

16.878
20.820

 

[Gravitron]

Remember the 2 tips we learned from Monaco a few weeks ago, which was also a Seasonal Time Trial:

- seasonal Time Trials don't add miles to your car (haven't verified this is still true after Spec 2.0), so they don't help with Engine break-in

- if you don't want your PSN friends to see your Fiat time on the in-game leaderboard, go run the Seasonal Time Trial with a faster car to "cover up" your Fiat time.​

 

[Vagabond]

Good advice Lucas

...

Nice opener Thomas 👍

I'm giving myself a week of Spa training

Champions League is next week, I've got people visiting, so can't join then, but I still need lots of practise and hope to be ready for the Spa challenge. 👍

Haha, yeah good plan. Spa is an amazing circuit - I spent practically all week there last week. Kevin was teaching me how to cut Eau Rouge as well as giving me a guided tour of the grass verges.

Last time I drove Spa was in this car for GT Legends. Spent a lot of time there in various F1 cars for rFactor too.

Anyway, this week we are playing FWD Go-Kart 500....

16.747
20.772

Have seen a 16.691 and a 20.733 during my last session so hoping to play match-maker there. My 3rd sector is also a tenth down on my best on this lap... so I guess I'm looking for about 2 tenths.

 

[EDK]

Haha, yeah good plan. Spa is an amazing circuit - I spent practically all week there last week. Kevin was teaching me how to cut Eau Rouge as well as giving me a guided tour of the grass verges.

I know I showed you how to cut Eau Rouge, my alternative was to drive through you, I had a bit more of a run on you than I would have thought possible.

Guided tour of the grass verges? Not sure what that part means, maybe I missed a braking point (oor 2 or 3) in the next section?

New track, learning the limits and what I can get away with. Thanks for having your room open and the fun races. 👍

 

[Barra333]

... so I guess I'm looking for about 2 tenths.

[envy] Here we go again. You will fond 2 tenths tomorrow, then another 3 over the weekend, leaving everyone who thinks they are doing OK feeling inferior [/envy]

 

[Vagabond]

I know I showed you how to cut Eau Rouge, my alternative was to drive through you, I had a bit more of a run on you than I would have thought possible.

Guided tour of the grass verges? Not sure what that part means, maybe I missed a braking point (oor 2 or 3) in the next section?

New track, learning the limits and what I can get away with. Thanks for having your room open and the fun races. 👍

No worries - thanks for dropping in, it was great fun.

Yeah that Eau Rouge incident was great - you may have noticed my surprise by the massive spin I had a few seconds later. Well, 3 spins to be accurate. And the verges thing... me (twice) trying to overtake you on the grass and losing it.

[envy] Here we go again. You will find 2 tenths tomorrow, then another 3 over the weekend, leaving everyone who thinks they are doing OK feeling inferior [/envy]

Haha You make it sound like I do that every week. Some weeks I really struggle to make progress... And if its any consolation, that is exactly what I think when Dan Holland or Zoki or Josh or Ramon (for example) post their splits. I think I'm on the absolute limit and they find another half a second from somewhere... crazy

I appreciate the compliment though 👍 (I've chosen to interpret it as such )

 

[MilleRSVR]

WOW Mill, just amazing time. You must have got one heck of a sling shot through the horse shoe. Great job 👍 Hope you can improve on it or it could drive you crazy posting it so early

Thanks Lefty. I think I can improve maybe .10, had that lap beat a couple of times. Couldn't finish it off though. Still trying to get the brakes set just right.
ABS at 1 is no good, ABS off locks pretty easy. Have to play with the load cell adjustment a bit more.

 

[Barra333]

I appreciate the compliment though 👍 (I've chosen to interpret it as such )

That's exactly how it was meant, added the [envy] just make sure:tup:.
I have to split the rest of my week between here and practicing for a league race at Daytona Road, a track which I'm horrible at, but hopefully I can get a couple of tenths too. I have been .2 up at T2, but bin it in the last corner.
I also need to get the car run in properly. What race is everyone putting Bob in to put miles on the car?

 

[viper84]

New splits:

T1: 16.897
T2: 20.947

New PB in every sector.

 

[Usual Suspect]

Cross my mind to have a little break but...no... to addictive

First splits and a lot to improve, specially on that last turn (even after week 1 i can´t get that right )

T1: 16.893
T2: 20.918

Using Kevin´s tune 👍, Abs 0/10 (thanks Chris) and no changed gears

 

[cicua]

I do not understand the purpose of the tranny trick, is it only to get closer gearing, or longer gears with more overlap?

Though I do not exactly understand what it does, closer gearing certainly helps

16.735
20.769

 

[EDK]

I do not understand the purpose of the tranny trick, is it only to get closer gearing, or longer gears with more overlap?

Though I do not exactly understand what it does, closer gearing certainly helps

It actually maximizes the spread between 1st and 5th, so theoretically makes the gears wider. But then from there you can adjust the ratios individually and reset final drive.

Here are my first session splits, engine is not broken in.

16.957
21.032

And here's my tune -

RH 50/-25
Springs 15.0/2.9
Damp Ext 10/1
Dam Comp 10/1
ARB 7/1
Camber 2/1
Toe 0/0

LSD 8/10/5

Downforce Max

Transmission

2896
2118
1692
1412
1225

Final 4064

Top speed in top box = 101 MPH

 

[Barra333]

Thanks for posting the transmission stuff Kev.👍 Im really keen to see if it stops the car bogging down in 3rd and 4th

 

[jack5428]

We haven't done a lot of N2 tires in here. I think the grip limit comes at a much different point, and what people perceive to be the car not turning is actually the tires not working anymore.

Yeah it definitly does turn your right, that perception was under braking. My first 6 laps I never did take a corner while on tarmac with all 4 wheels. The tires were failing from trying to trail brake. Well drift brake is a little more what I do, get the rear out a little. I couldnt seem to in this car.

I did some decent laps after awhile and driving the DS3 instead. I have alot of experience doing comfort soft TTs with it.

Thought maybe I had gotten better driving wheel after the FGT week...havent. Except at HSR in the FGT!

EDIT: Do engines break in driving in the seasonal TT or do we need to do laps say in practice to get up to full HP?

 

[cicua]

Wow I really can't do this first sector. Any tips for that first corner?

17.459
21.306

Big rear brake bias, I use 2/9. Use enough braking to make the rear slide a bit, then use the throttle to maintain speed and direction. Rinse and repeat for each of the other U-turns.

Nice splits Spy 👍 Yeah that last bend is a bugger. Feels good when you nail it just right but that only seems to happen when I'm on a crap lap.

Good start there too Simon. 👍

Thanks mate, for once I am not helplessly trailing div1 (or div2) guys. Not yet at least

16.706
20.764

I have seen a few 16.6's and low 20.7's.

And I just had a revelation kind of thing in that last bend, sliding almost drifting it and 0.15 fell off with ease.

So I have a pretty good feeling about this... but then I also feel it can not be right, you or someone else are bound to undercut this by 0.2, anytime soon

It actually maximizes the spread between 1st and 5th, so theoretically makes the gears wider. But then from there you can adjust the ratios individually and reset final drive.

Thanks, but I still don't really get it. Probably my head is just too thick.

What is the advantage of this compared to just adjusting top speed and then individual gears if necessary?

 

[Gravitron]

EDIT: Do engines break in driving in the seasonal TT or do we need to do laps say in practice to get up to full HP?

Jack, I still haven't verified, but see my post about 13 above yours, where I mentioned this. 👍 I broke mine in on Spa.

First few laps, Kev's tune, but using the 5sp close ratio tranny, like Chris. This may be the most short shifting I've ever done in such a short distance!

16.924
21.314

Obviously a good .3 to drop in T2, and this T3 needs some help too.

 

[spyrrari]

Nice splits Vagabond and Cicua 👍👍


Looks like it will come down to who does the final sector quickest...

I also don't really understand the benefit of this "tranny trick" ,i use the fully adjustable gearbox and tuned it to how i think its best,don't really see why i would want to change it...but like Cicua said ,maybe i have a thick head aswell...



spy.

 

[jack5428]

The benifits of the tranny trick were super apperant when we did Sarthe in the Sauber C9. It gave us another gear basically. Some people might have even used all 5 of the gears, first was perhaps usable.

Without Yanarans sweet trick tranny settings I could only use 3rd 4th and 5th gears.

Now I was running this trick style of tranny here but can only use 4 gears just like without doing the trick and then I wondered is it really working and I switched to just the default setting again on the customizable tranny(same as the 5 speed gear box) I had used before and no doubt it made a differnce. It wasnt good driving a default gearbox at all. I switched back to the "trick" but not the same exact settings for gears and final drive just eyeballed it basically and gained 1.5 tenths thru T3 over my previous PB. I must not of set it up very well before or right.





Using a variation of EDKs tune but Im testing what parts of his tune seemed to actual help or not. I find the 7 on the front ARB to not help at all with turning. I have it set at 1 for right now anyhow. Reset his rear springs to minimum. Set the rear camber to zero and the rear toe to maximum negative toe. LSD 5 12 5

Havent messed with the dampers. That is what I plan on doing my next session.

Do have a car now that seems to turn and isnt super slow and it seems to hit the apexes pretty well.

T1: 17.014
T2: 21.009

Driving DS3 but forgot to change my signature.

Edit: T1 wasnt 3 seconds slow. hahahha 3 tenths slow yes.

 

[EDK]

Thanks, but I still don't really get it. Probably my head is just too thick.

What is the advantage of this compared to just adjusting top speed and then individual gears if necessary?

In this car, maybe nothing at all.

In a car that needs a higher top speed, it can potentially keep you in the power band longer and minimize the number of shifts you need to make. It really just gives you more overall space to work with in your gear adjustments.

If you visualized it as a number line, my spread between the lowest 1st and highest 6th is the difference between 2896 and 1255. If you made the adjustments at another point on the dial, the spread between those would be less. As long as you have final drive to compensate, it really doesn't matter.

The extreme example would be the LMP car, where this trick was used and we ended all the way back up toward the top of the final drive. It made all the gears more useable.

 

[spyrrari]

Some more laps,

T1:0'16.652
T2:0'20.758


spy.

 

[viper84]

New splits:

T1: 16.782
T2: 20.840


T1: 16.812
T2: 20.675

T1 and T3 could have been better. Best T1 i've seen so far was a 16.71. Perfect T2.

 

[markyboy92]

.25 improvement, only second session but struggling to improve, put the improvement down to the extra 3pp breaking it in. Can't see were im going wrong, think last sector im on the pace but T1 &2 1/2 1/2 second off? im just scratching my head at the moment, can't remember being this off the pace in a long time, think getting top 5 as it stands would be a tall order.

T1-16.910
T2-21.009

T3- best so far by about .1

 

[poolhaas]

17.252
21.187

 

[NCRthree]

First splits:

T1:17.245
T2:21.238

 

[maximumattack]

It's been ages since I took part in the WRS, here's my first set of splits

T1 17.180
T2 21.252

 

[jack5428]

New splits:

T1: 16.782
T2: 20.840

Holy smokes Viper your on FIRE!

Great splits with your DS3.👍

 

[RIP_Welsh_Don]

First splits from 2nd session (Yes, 1st session was that bad )

T1: 16.711
T2: 20.828

Still don't really get it and with me moving house this weekend, not sure if I'll get a lap that I'll be happy to submit or not . T3 wasn't great on this one either, so room for more I guess.

Good to see you again Spy and nice splits!

 

[Owen.C93]

Ok that brake bias adjust must have helped, plus I was down 8hp after I forgot to save when applying my intake tuning . Here's the new splits, still not sure how people are getting them T1 times but there you go.

17.275
21.280