GTP_WRS Week 25: Official Results

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Seriously @GTP_CargoRatt?!? @mr_lab_rat goes above and beyond every week to check replays and give thoughtful comments and you dismiss him like that? Absolutely poor form :thumbdown:

I wasn't dismissing him, I was being a smartass, nothing else intended. Don't be so quick in making assumptions just to jump on somebody...damn. If I was dismissing him, I would have said so. This is how crap gets started by people making wrong assumptions and/or chiming in on something that doesn't pertain to them.

EDIT: Already explained myself to @mr_lab_rat so we are all good, he knows what I meant by the :rolleyes:.
 
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@crowhop: That was a damn close battle, congrats on your win! 👍

@EDK: Thanks for checking my replay. The tips on where there was room for improvement are much appreciated. 👍
And yeah, that first sector was crazy, I still can't believe how I managed to avoid crashing into the barriers. :D
 
I wasn't dismissing him, I was being a smartass, nothing else intended...Already explained myself to @mr_lab_rat so we are all good, he knows what I meant...
Fair enough 👍

Congratulations to all those who thrashed the Civic through Madrid this week, I love it when we're all fighting for hundredths and am stoked that it looks like that again this week. Also loving the intense racing in Div 2...hoping to be a bigger part of it this week 👍
 
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Thanks for checking. I had tcs & abs off.

That lap was from Friday, largely because of the good T2 speed which meant that even when that split was equal (was close a few times), my ghost would simply zoom past. And I ran a lot, Sunday to Monday, right upto the deadline.
 
I utilized the datalogger to be able to comment/screech something. :rolleyes:

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My starting speed is higher, by the 500 meter mark the figures are 198/195. Of course, the kink is where I'm considerably slower. Your exit from the hairpin is wider and much faster. The slow part of S2 I can't keep up, but we have the same low in the same spot, 75 kph. In the S3 roundabout, by the time we are both done (disc) braking, I'm at 78 kph, ref at 74. This only gets me a tenth which is quickly lost by the worse line that I had. For the chicane I brake much earlier, at least I have a higher low (71/70, both for a very short moment). The last straightaway is carbon copy time, same 1800 ms at both ends.


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In this case I also start with a 50 ms lead by the time I get to the left kerb, but since I brake briskly there that's the end of that. In the slow part of S2 you make the highest lateral acceleration of the two laps, iow. you cook away. Last bend of S2, I reduce the gap by about 80 ms because of it. I only brake slightly earlier for the S3 roundabout during which I lose about a quarter second. You only need 76 kph in the chicane, which in my experience is very good, so plus 450 ms is inevitable. I had slightly higher speed on the last straight probably due to less drag.
 
Great job everyone and congrats to the division winners and podium placers. Not overly competitive this week but I enjoyed it a lot. Didn't imagine I'd be losing 3-4 tenths in the final sector though. Will look at Baron's replay but I suspect my method of holding it in third limited my acceleration as well as mid corner rotation so I had to wait too long to get back on the throttle.

Great job on all the replay checking - you've finished before I've woken up the following morning :lol:
 
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Thanks for checking. I had tcs & abs off.

That lap was from Friday, largely because of the good T2 speed which meant that even when that split was equal (was close a few times), my ghost would simply zoom past. And I ran a lot, Sunday to Monday, right upto the deadline.
How could you survive no ABS with this car? :bowdown: I'm usually the guy who keeps the electronic monsters off, and I had to turn them on here.
 
Wow! Wasn't expecting to get first in D2 at all. I didn't think my 3rd sector was that great. :D And another D1 time, really happy with that!

Thanks for checking again and the comments @EDK. 👍 With the gearing I tried to make 2nd a bit longer to avoid hitting the limiter coming out of the last section of sector 2, think it worked and helped me to accelerate through that last turn in 2nd for a bit longer.

In repsonse to your question in the main thread, I only had time for 2 very short sessions last week maybe half an hour each and just couldn't get the hang of it. Was barely getting into the 55s at the S2 split. So I wasn't planning on submitting this week as I knew I wouldn't have any time over the weekend. So that's why I hadn't posted any splits. Was able to have a longer session last night and completely changed the suspension set up from what I used before (thanks to @mr_lab_rat for that 👍) and was able to improve almost instantly which gave me the motivation to improve further. Although I was never expecting to be top of D2! :)

Really enjoyable combo again and quite addictive running laps once you got the hang of it. Well done to everyone who met their goals and all podium finishers! :cheers:
 
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Was surprised by the blip to 1st in the loop, but a good idea.

Great lap, congrats on the overall win.

When I changed to a lower downforce configuration, shifting to 1st quickly made the rear step out, so it was a bit more consistent to wait a bit before shifting down to first. Did others not go to first gear on the round about?
 
Did others not go to first gear on the round about?
I think you were the only one in the replays I checked. When I saw it, I thought, "what a good idea", as I think it would help slow the car more quickly and let it rotate for an earlier exit. Sometimes it felt like I was waiting a year to get back on the gas there.
 
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I think you were the only one in the replays I checked. When I saw it, I thought, "what a good idea", as I think it would help slow the car more quickly and let it rotate for an earlier exit. Sometimes it felt like I was waiting a year to get back on the gas there.

Yeah I lost a lot of good .7s in sector 2 by being impatient around there, 1st gear helped. I'm not sure whether I lost time in T3 by doing that, I'd have to check the data but I doubt I lost time there.
 
Thanks for checking again and the comments @EDK. 👍 With the gearing I tried to make 2nd a bit longer to avoid hitting the limiter coming out of the last section of sector 2, think it worked and helped me to accelerate through that last turn in 2nd for a bit longer.
Did you watch that part of the video I posted? :lol: Makes me laugh every time I watch it. I like going to those historic races at Laguna, so I would have been there to watch that race. Just funny to learn some of the things those guys are dealing with that you don't think about while spectating.

In repsonse to your question in the main thread, I only had time for 2 very short sessions last week maybe half an hour each and just couldn't get the hang of it. Was barely getting into the 55s at the S2 split. So I wasn't planning on submitting this week as I knew I wouldn't have any time over the weekend. So that's why I hadn't posted any splits.
Fair enough. I think you need to slow down or get promoted. ;) Seriously, that's a very good lap time with a small time commitment. I would venture to guess that including online practice and racing, I spent 6-8 hours on this combo.

Yeah I lost a lot of good .7s in sector 2 by being impatient around there, 1st gear helped. I'm not sure whether I lost time in T3 by doing that, I'd have to check the data but I doubt I lost time there.
I would agree with your assessment that your time lost in S3 was likely in the chicane (as compared to the other D1's).
 
Seriously @GTP_CargoRatt?!? @mr_lab_rat goes above and beyond every week to check replays and give thoughtful comments and you dismiss him like that? Absolutely poor form :thumbdown:
Going to stick my neck out and agree here. Great job @mr_lab_rat, also great job on the lap comments for all.
Anyone get a chance to do mine, just to see where I was so much slower. Was dead set on a podium.

I wasn't dismissing him, I was being a smartass, nothing else intended. Don't be so quick in making assumptions just to jump on somebody...damn. If I was dismissing him, I would have said so. This is how crap gets started by people making wrong assumptions and/or chiming in on something that doesn't pertain to them.

EDIT: Already explained myself to @mr_lab_rat so we are all good, he knows what I meant by the :rolleyes:.
Just read this
Disregard my previous post..
:)

Onto laguna, and a negative handicap. Losing confidence.
:cheers:
Well done everyone and I didn't think anyone would be breaking into the 1.31s.i was just trying to crack 1.32.6.
A full second off.
 
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Onto laguna, and a negative handicap. Losing confidence.
:cheers:
Well done everyone and I didn't think anyone would be breaking into the 1.31s.i was just trying to crack 1.32.6.
A full second off.
Yeah, I figured 1:32:0xx was the max limit. One of my goals is to always be within a second of the leader. Didn't make it this week. For me this was a brutal track and tough car for me to get down and had it not been for the extra hours of laps I'd have not even got under 1:33.5xx. Best I could manage for the longest time was in the 1:33.6xx's, right there with you. I ended up sticking with @Cats_PJs's tune and gears. And basically forcing myself to be faster...as the sig would suggest.

I had determined breaking into the 1:32's as one goal for the week, so I was glad to get there.

What goals do you set?

Looking forward to a relaxed week. Laguna is my favorite track and I reckon I know it as well as any. I've only got 7 laps in so far and it feels promising.

The city tracks in general are probably the tracks I use least in the game. And Madrid possibly least of all. I think it would make for a pretty cool F1/F3 track on GT6, but I hope to never have to drive a "regular" car there again. Especially FF's.
 
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Looked at the data and now I can see where I lost time to Baron in sector 3. It isn't as clear cut as I thought, its bits and pieces everywhere. At the beginning of sector 3 I have a .200 lead and not .243 (rounding from splits I guess) but because Baron shifts to 3rd moments earlier then me right before entering the corner he gains half a tenth by the time we get to the round about. My shifting to 1st gear on that corner actually helped me get back the .050 but I lose it on the run to the chicane, maybe nerves made me shift a tad bit late hence I lost some speed. anyway at this point I drop from .200 to .150 the chicane is interesting as I gain back the half a tenth on the entry, but not entirely hitting the full curb on the exit, and slowing down by 5km'h makes me lose it again.

It's an interesting tool to study and I think its better for looking at individual sectors while trying to improve during the week.
 
Looked at the data and now I can see where I lost time to Baron in sector 3. It isn't as clear cut as I thought, its bits and pieces everywhere. At the beginning of sector 3 I have a .200 lead and not .243 (rounding from splits I guess) but because Baron shifts to 3rd moments earlier then me right before entering the corner he gains half a tenth by the time we get to the round about. My shifting to 1st gear on that corner actually helped me get back the .050 but I lose it on the run to the chicane, maybe nerves made me shift a tad bit late hence I lost some speed. anyway at this point I drop from .200 to .150 the chicane is interesting as I gain back the half a tenth on the entry, but not entirely hitting the full curb on the exit, and slowing down by 5km'h makes me lose it again.

It's an interesting tool to study and I think its better for looking at individual sectors while trying to improve during the week.
So, in short, you lost it in the chicane? ;)

I guess I like to look for the things you could do RIGHT to improve, rather than saying "Don't do it this way", I would rather look for the things that are "Do it this way".

I can't imagine telling someone about a missed shift when analyzing their replay. If they are consistently shifting up too early or too late, or did not use an optimum gear in a particular corner, I will let them know. Otherwise, it's about "What could I work on to improve?".

Anyhow, you won, it was a great lap, and really not a bad T3. That chicane had a definite luck factor, IMO. I approached it consistently, but my outcomes were anything but.
 
I congratulate all the podiums, negative handicaps and people that have their replays commented by @EDK 👍.
That sure is a prize I will continue to pursue although I see it very very far.
 
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So, in short, you lost it in the chicane? ;)

I guess I like to look for the things you could do RIGHT to improve, rather than saying "Don't do it this way", I would rather look for the things that are "Do it this way".

I can't imagine telling someone about a missed shift when analyzing their replay. If they are consistently shifting up too early or too late, or did not use an optimum gear in a particular corner, I will let them know. Otherwise, it's about "What could I work on to improve?".

Anyhow, you won, it was a great lap, and really not a bad T3. That chicane had a definite luck factor, IMO. I approached it consistently, but my outcomes were anything but.

Haha yeah basically :) given that at that point I knew I had a .6 by T2, I was in between the lets not mess up the last sector and lets not be too slow in the last sector either. I guess I was somewhere in between :)

As for the gears they can help when that becomes the difference :) apart from the first sector where Baron ran wide and lost a lot of time, our lines, brake points and speeds were almost identical, the only difference was gear shifts. I guess at some point it will become all about steering angle :lol:

Anyway this analysis is really for the next time we do a time trial in Madrid
 
Congratulations @manumanu19 with the overall win never expected someone could pull out a 1:31 👍
All others also very well done job.

Sorry to hear you got a DQ @Nail-27 :boggled:

@EDK thanks for the quick check of many replays and the comments on the lap. It's usefull to improve and were to do so. My T2 I know was not good but had no idea I brake to much before the kink in T1 and will try the line through the last chicane. thx again Kevin :bowdown:

This is my first podium in D3 and hope some will follow.
But could not have done this without @Cats_PJs gearing and the setup from @EDK and @ItsAllAboutWins combined to 1 great tune with some personal tweaks.:gtplanet:
 
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Did you watch that part of the video I posted? :lol: Makes me laugh every time I watch it. I like going to those historic races at Laguna, so I would have been there to watch that race. Just funny to learn some of the things those guys are dealing with that you don't think about while spectating..

I did :lol: - That would be cool to live close to Laguna. It's been one of my favourites in GT since it was introduced. I always remember the Top Gear episode when Clarkson tries to beat his time set there in GT 4, in real life in the NSX :lol: Can't wait to try the new combo!

EDK
Fair enough. I think you need to slow down or get promoted. ;) Seriously, that's a very good lap time with a small time commitment. I would venture to guess that including online practice and racing, I spent 6-8 hours on this combo.

Thanks, I probably spent around 4 hours in total but looking at the final split times I must of got really lucky through the last sector, especially the chicane!
 
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Very clean s1, wheelspin cost you couple of tenths in s2. In s3 roundabout you took the double apex line but didn't really take advantage of by delaying getting back on throttle.
Sorry I didn't take more notes. It was really good lap except for the s3 roundabout.

Thanks for checking 👍
Very kind words sir, but there was no "double apex line" I just missed my braking spot (badly!) and got lucky :lol:.. every lap after that I just couldn't beat that line with my normal line...
Gutted that time restraints stopped me improving as I really enjoyed this combo and feel I could have done a lot better, but first week in Div2 and a negative handicap, I can't really complain...

Congrats to podium finishers.. Great win @manumanu19 insane time!!
 
Hey Manu (@manumanu19) congrats with your 2nd overall win 👍

And congratz to all other podiums and everyone who achieved there goal
 
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Congrats to Manu for the only time in the 31's and convincing overall win.

Well done by all of the other Division winners and podium finishers.

I got an early start on replay checks, here's what I have so far -
D4 Podium Replays

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Wall hit on the left at the T2 split.


I like you, please don't take the commentary the wrong way, I want to help you improve. But don't leave running and submitting a lap until an hour from deadline on the last day, it sets you up for panicking and ending up with a DQ like this one.

Please DO NOT rename your replay folder. It's an enormous pain to figure out the number of the replay to properly rename it so I can view it on the PS3.

Some tips on your lap.

You can get through the first kink with only a lift, possibly some light braking, but do not need to brake before it.

Your T2 looks pretty good until the final corner. You need to get all the way to the left to set up for the exit right hand corner, even if it means slowing and losing some built up momentum. And, you hit the wall on the exit of T2, so I have to DQ your lap. 👎

You brake too much entering the circle, carry more speed in. Your second apex is too early, hit it later and you can be on the gas for the exit. Final chicane is too careful, but clean.

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You can brake less entering the kink, carry in more momentum, make sure you get to the back as you finish braking for the hairpin. Then can be right back on full throttle for the exit.

Braking is too early for the T2 complex, and you are too slow in the first turn. Try to keep a tighter line in the left hand loop, even if you have to lift some. As much as anything, it's to set up for the very important right hand exit onto a long flat out section. You tried to set up, but the car needs to start further to the left there.

Loop corner looks pretty good, a bit tighter line would be faster, closer to the middle of the track at the deepest.

Chicane, I liked to set up my braking so my right wheels were in a straight line to the right side entry curb, lift the brake before you hit it, blip the throttle, then mash it once you've grabbed the left curb for exit. You don't use any of the curbs here, making you much slower.

Nice and tidy lap, tips are intended to help you learn where to gain the most speed the quickest. Remember that carrying built up speed off long straights and getting on the throttle early as you enter long straights are some of the most important factors to being fast.

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Better job of managing braking and apexes this week, but your braking is still careful and early.

Similar to mtbmik, you can brake less entering the kink, carry in more momentum, make sure you get to the back as you finish braking for the hairpin. Then can be right back on full throttle for the exit.

Braking is too early for the T2 complex, but your lines look really good until the last right hander. You need to set up further left to be able to rotate the car and get on the gas sooner. No braking for that last turn of T2 if you set up right.

Loop corner, you braking is too early and too heavy. Try to learn some trail brake technique, easing off the brake to carry more sped at the end of the brake zone, as you transition to apexes. You come in a bit too tight too soon, cauging you to have to modulate the throttle. Make one second apex about 2/3 of the way through the corner and mash the throttle for exit.

Chicane, you also do not optimize your braking line to set up for grabbing all the right saide curb. It causes you to have to take much wheel angle and slow too much for the left hand exit.

Again, looks like you are getting used to the wheel, nice improvement over last week. Just keeping working on accurate braking points. BTW - Are you using fixed markers or that silly line? If you are using the line, get rid of it. :)
First of all, Kevin ,thanks for the comments. All are taken to heart.
Second ,a public apology for submitting a dirty lap...suffice it to say mea culpa. As Kevin intimated it would have been better to miss the week.
Can't wait to race the car with Mike's setup.
 
I'm quite honoured that some people actually used my tune. Less ride height rake worked better as 55 was a bit too low in the back.
I ended up with 80/60 height and compensated understeer with 0 or slightly negative rear toe and lower rear downforce. I think 100/110 DF will work well for the online race.
 

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