GTP_WRS Week 43 : Ford Mustang @ Eiger Nordwand

[Stotty]

I think you're right Carl.

I was a religious FF10 user, but a few months ago (following a discussion with Timo) I took the decision to move to a lower setting. Took me a week or so to get down from 10 to 7 to eventually finish at 5. I think lower FF gives 2 advantages... 1) allows you to get the car turned in quicker (as long as you don't push too hard) and 2) allows for more accurate (finer) steering inputs in general.

Of course with lower FF you need to be disciplined to not just keep turning the wheel when you gt understeer!

 

[steven]

Board updated.

 

[theewar]

Had my first go on this combo tonight,which will also be my last go at it.

T1:32.317

T2:55.376

 

[MarkWebber]

32.045
55.015

 

[StrokerAce]

New and improved, for your comfort.

T1-32.328
T2-55.303

Scary that I messed up three times in that lap and still trimmed a considerable amount off.

 

[Vaxen]

Second session:
T1: 32.118
T2: 55.094

Still a bit of time to be had.

 

[arora]

32.045
55.015

Quick recovery?

Those don't seem to be fitting splits though

 

[steven]

32.045
55.015

Welcome (back) Mark

Board updated.

 

[zed300]

32.045
55.015

Did you only have time for one lap mate.
Nice lap then.👍

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Still some room for improvement for me.

32.262
55.152

 

[Paulie]

Just to stick my nose in as well Paulie I don't know what FFB you normally run on your wheel, but if you run it pretty high, it might help lowering it a bit. I normally run mine at 10 but at Eiger, I usually dial it back a bit. I tried FFB at 5 but that was too weak, so now I've settled at 7 and it feels about right. The lighter FFB really helps you turn the car much easier in T1. Maybe that will help

I've been using FF 7 for many many months now.👍 FF 10 I found to be too snappy when you get yourself into an oversteer moment, too violent over bumps and generally destroying the wheel too quickly.

Welcome (back) Mark

Indeed.👍

 

[Synwraith]

I'm not sure if I'll submit this week. I'll have another go, but if there isn't marked improvement I'm not sure. That or I'll submit early without many attempts. I'm definitely a circuit driver and not touge or speedway.

I am absolutely baffled by the times coming in. I may as well post my times, I'll be third in D2 on the board for now, but miles behind Carl and MJH.
I hate Eiger.

Looks like you're losing it all in T1 Paulie.

A lot of it, I still lose a little more at T2. Are you going to give me some hints as to what I'm doing so drastically wrong?

Without seeing your lap I can't give specific advice, but I think there are 2 critical corners in T1... *snip*

That sounds like what I've been doing. Perhaps I should see about getting an engine rebuild?

Just to stick my nose in as well Paulie ...*snip*... Maybe that will help

I think you're right Carl.

*snip*

I've been using FF 7 for many many months now.👍 FF 10 I found to be too snappy when you get yourself into an oversteer moment, too violent over bumps and generally destroying the wheel too quickly.

Before you read this, please keep in mind that this post is intended to be helpful to you, and hopefully encourage a prevailing attitude towards improving your pace. No offense is intended, so apologies in advance if something I say here does not sit well with you.

Paulie, look at the above I have quoted. You have on a number of occasions expressed the difficulties you are facing with this particular combo just like I do practically every WRS I run as well. However, you will also see quite a bit of excellent advice from the guys who are doing well at this combo.

The best thing you can do is listen to them. If you are, as you say, doing exactly what Stotty said, you'd have times similar to him I should think, so clearly there is a disparity between the techniques being employed by him and by you.

You have in the past said that you do not watch other people's replays when I offered you my replay at Suzuka (700PP ferrari F430 I think it was). This is a mistake. Watch them, watch their throttle trace, brake trace, steering input, moment of action all that stuff. This is why Zabeu has just created www.gtdb.net and so many people have already hailed it as a wonderful resource. Don't assume you have the whole story sorted and it's a mystical factor limiting your laptime. Don't assume there is nothing you can learn from studying a replay, following a ghost. Madison does it, Stotty does it, Hyperspeed does it, it is not an activity reserved for the slowest of the slow.

If Carl and Chris, and to be frank myself also, recommend you lower your FFB to 5 what have you got to lose by trying it, instead of just stating what you do currently and why?

Now I repeat, if you are already doing all of the above then by all means disregard everything I have said and please accept my deepest apologies for interfering 👍

All the best
Maz

 

[Stotty]

....Madison does it, Stotty does it, Hyperspeed does it, it is not an activity reserved for the slowest of the slow.

I've watched all the top 5 replays, and I'm using Davisi's ghost as a target... nothing wrong with using what's available

 

[Mad94d]

Yeah, I am having my first run right now and am following the davissi ghost. Following ghosts helps me a lot!

First and probably last splits:
T1: 32.006
T2: 54.858

 

[Paulie]

Before you read this, please keep in mind that this post is intended to be helpful to you, and hopefully encourage a prevailing attitude towards improving your pace. No offense is intended, so apologies in advance if something I say here does not sit well with you.

Paulie, look at the above I have quoted. You have on a number of occasions expressed the difficulties you are facing with this particular combo just like I do practically every WRS I run as well. However, you will also see quite a bit of excellent advice from the guys who are doing well at this combo.

The best thing you can do is listen to them. If you are, as you say, doing exactly what Stotty said, you'd have times similar to him I should think, so clearly there is a disparity between the techniques being employed by him and by you.

You have in the past said that you do not watch other people's replays when I offered you my replay at Suzuka (700PP ferrari F430 I think it was). This is a mistake. Watch them, watch their throttle trace, brake trace, steering input, moment of action all that stuff. This is why Zabeu has just created www.gtdb.net and so many people have already hailed it as a wonderful resource. Don't assume you have the whole story sorted and it's a mystical factor limiting your laptime. Don't assume there is nothing you can learn from studying a replay, following a ghost. Madison does it, Stotty does it, Hyperspeed does it, it is not an activity reserved for the slowest of the slow.

If Carl and Chris, and to be frank myself also, recommend you lower your FFB to 5 what have you got to lose by trying it, instead of just stating what you do currently and why?

Now I repeat, if you are already doing all of the above then by all means disregard everything I have said and please accept my deepest apologies for interfering 👍

All the best
Maz

First off, taking the same lines and doing it as well as they do are different things. Second, nobody recommended I use FF 5, they just said not to use 10, and I replied I've been using 7 for a long time now and I'm very comfortable with it. I don't download GTP users replays because
a) I don't know how
b) It's easier to get an online top 10 user's replay
c) Me seeing your replay before the week is out should be against the rules no?
I also kind of like the idea of being able to say my speed is nearly entirely figured out by myself, (greater sense of accomplishment) but that doesn't mean I ignore other's replays. I may have to look at a top 10 replay to find more speed this week. You say you don't mean offence but you sure took a funny tone with that post.......

 

[Synwraith]

First off, taking the same lines and doing it as well as they do are different things.

Precisely, which is why watching replays is essential to understanding how the others obtain their speed.

Second, nobody recommended I use FF 5, they just said not to use 10,

Here you go...

I was a religious FF10 user, but a few months ago (following a discussion with Timo) I took the decision to move to a lower setting. Took me a week or so to get down from 10 to 7 to eventually finish at 5. I think lower FF gives 2 advantages... 1) allows you to get the car turned in quicker (as long as you don't push too hard) and 2) allows for more accurate (finer) steering inputs in general.

Of course with lower FF you need to be disciplined to not just keep turning the wheel when you gt understeer!

I thought Carl also said he settled on 5, but I misread that, apologies.

and I replied I've been using 7 for a long time now and I'm very comfortable with it.

And now that someone has suggested something different, you may want to try something you are not necessarily currently comfortable with in order to find improvements to your technique and speed?

I don't download GTP users replays because
a) I don't know how

1) Save the replay to your computer either by clicking on the attachment (maybe attached to a post like in the WRS results threads or a private email). This is either a zip file or a rar file.

2) After it has been saved onto your computer, right-click on the zip/rar folder and select "Extract here" or "Extract All" and follow the instructions if it asks you where you want to save it on your computer.

3) Go into this folder and locate the replay folder which will be something like "BCUS98158-RPLY2-B-622D3676010". You may have to go from PS3 > SAVEDATA > BCUS98158-RPLY2-B-622D3676010 to find it.

4) Save this "BCU..." folder onto a USB stick, the same one you use to upload replays. You should save it within the PS3 > SAVEDATA folder where your own replays are.

5) Take the USB stick to your PS3, go to the Games directory on the XMB menu system and then the Save Game Data utility section and find your USB, then your replay, then press triangle and select copy. This will copy it from the USB to your PS3.

6) You should now be able to watch the replay in your GT5P replay theatre assuming it is a PAL replay.

b) It's easier to get an online top 10 user's replay

That's absolutely fine! That works great and I recommend it completely! On weeks where the WRS is not a S2 arcade time trial or in hotlap threads in the Race Events forum, there is no top 10 list so you will have to employ the method I have described above.

c) Me seeing your replay before the week is out should be against the rules no?

Nope. Discussion of overall laptimes and posting replays in these threads is considered against the rules but what people discuss in private is considered their own business. Many people used Madison's replay to gain speed in the ferrari 599 WRS at Fuji in week 32.

I also kind of like the idea of being able to say my speed is nearly entirely figured out by myself, (greater sense of accomplishment) but that doesn't mean I ignore other's replays. I may have to look at a top 10 replay to find more speed this week.

If you wish to rely entirely on your own knowhow then you should be able to accept it when you cannot find the speed of people like Carl and Matt and not be so frustrated because that is the path you wished to take. When the WRS community sees that one of the guys is struggling (Like I have done today and offered you advice and methods of improving your speed and therefore enjoyment of participation), they will post hints and tips. Heck, you even asked Stotty for tips. That's great, and hopefully you are open-minded enough to try what people have taken time to suggest to you 👍

You say you don't mean offence but you sure took a funny tone with that post.......

...I don't know what to say. I said at the start and the end of my original post that no offence was intended, I said it was meant to HELP you, I requoted the advice that people gave you, have done so again, and have now provided you with details on how to download replays to further your understanding of the speed of others.

Are these the actions of someone who is trying to offend? What do I or the WRS community have to gain by offending you? Please take more care when replying to people when they have taken the time to inform or educate you in some way that will be beneficial to you in the long run so that you may not cause offence.

All the best
Maz

 

[Paulie]

Stotty said he felt comfortable with 5, nowhere did he say that 5 is better than 7 and I should use 5 instead. The only way FF can negatively affect lap times is if the wheel is forceably moving around too much, which it doesn't at 7, and since I like 7 there's nothing wrong with it, no speed is to be gained from a change of FF for me.

 

[Synwraith]

Stotty said he felt comfortable with 5, nowhere did he say that 5 is better than 7 and I should use 5 instead. The only way FF can negatively affect lap times is if the wheel is forceably moving around too much, which it doesn't at 7, and since I like 7 there's nothing wrong with it, no speed is to be gained from a change of FF for me.

You're welcome.

All the best
Maz

 

[Paulie]

Ignore this post.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

I just had one of those laps where everything came together.

32.040
54.941

I may just submit with this, as I don't think it will get any better.

 

[MJH]

I just had one of those laps where everything came together.

I know that feeling.

T1: 31.918
T2: 54.733

Matt.

 

[Stotty]

Great laps Phil and Matt 👍

 

[Mad94d]

Whoa! Awesome splits Matt!👍

 

[MJH]

Whoa! Awesome splits Matt!👍

Thanks. those R3's make all the difference lol.
Matt.

 

[GTP_Rodney]

splitssssssssss,

T1: 32.520
T2: 55.830

:]

im happy, but i can run faster.

im hoping to pull another win off :]

 

[nuclearfire]

New Splits:

T1: 32.846
T2: 55.992

 

[cpp214]

I know that feeling.

T1: 31.918
T2: 54.733

Matt.

Amazing splits Matt

I'm going to go ahead and submit with the following splits:

T1: 31.942
T2: 54.895

Suzuka 800 is calling

 

[Paulie]

Has anyone else noticed that the world no.1 in this combo constantly uses the handbrake through the turns?
I've tried following him and watching him and only improved 1 tenth, because his lines are almost exactly the same as mine, he just does it better. I lose pretty much all my time at turn 2, and no matter how I try I always get too much wheelspin if I'm on throttle as soon as he is. For the rest of the lap after T1, I'm almost even with him, except this lap I wasn't entirely happy with the Southern Loop. I'm submitting now, can't do well every week.

T1- 32.252
T2- 55.247

 

[GTP_Rodney]

Btw steven im not division 1 haha. you have me as 1 on the LUXY. it confused me

haha

 

[MarkWebber]

Had a proper sit down with this enjoyable easy combo, and achieved these results

31.781
54.581

Used simulation feedback, strength 7 DFGT

Quick pointer in case not already mentioned, avoid touching the grass on exit for corner before T1.