GTPCTC Round 6 Race *RESULTS*

[SuperShouden]

GTMSA Presents
CTC Round 6 Race
Laguna Seca; 22lap Race (50miles)
Deadline:11:59pm Monday, August 16th

Results

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General Information and Regulations

As with last season there will be three types of race event during the season. There will be 4 Standard rounds of 50mi and 5 Enduro rounds of 100mi and 1 Super-Enduro round of 150mi.

Week starts on Monday, with times to be sent via PM by 11.59pm GMT on Sunday

There is NO HP penalty for joining the series part way through the season.

All rules, regulations, car specifications, and races are controlled by GTPCTC sanctioning body, umm...me for now unless the GTMSA wants to pick me up . Any and all questions should be directed to GTPCTC officials (namely me..and anyone else who wants to help out) and officials will do their best to answer in a timely and accurate manor.

All drivers must run at the specified weights and horsepower settings provided by me for each round. Horsepower and/or weight settings are adjusted for competitive reasons each round based on finishing positions from previous rounds.

* Standard Online Racing Rules Apply.
* No Cheating, hybrids, etc. You must run the car specifications I give you
* Try keeping at least 2 wheels on course. Long races = small mishaps, but absolutely NO shortcuts
* No wall-riding as well. Combined with penalties, this will slow you down considerably, so don't do it.
* All decisions by GTMSA officials are final
* The race track for this season will be defined as the area between the white or yellow lines. This means rumble strips do not count as track.


Race

* Single race (arcade mode) lasting either 50mi (standard) or 100mi (enduro) with the exception of Round 9 which is a 150mile race, but will be considered an enduro.
* Weight penalties in place
* SS, SM, SH tires or any combination thereof
* Strong Tyre Wear
* AI difficulty is player's choice between 0 and 10. No negatives.
* Ai tyres SS
* Forced Pit Entry penalty system
* ASM is prohibited TCS is optional
* Points for race: 10-8-6-4-2-1


Time sending format

PM me with the following data. Please make sure all details are correctly filled in and DONT MISS THE DEADLINE

User Name:
Class:
Car:
Number:
HP:
Weight:
Total Time:
Fastest Lap:
No. of Pits:

Have Fun and Good Luck!

 

[oldmodelt]

As I mentioned in the Hotlap thread. Have my race completed already. Except for two minor offs (both on the same lap) and one sloppy half on half off corkscrew the race was pretty uneventful. Noticed that I haven't finished first yet like some of you guys even when running on +0 AI. Figure it's because I have to reduce the HP from stock. But make it a race. Might run again if the mood hits me.

edit: Voted for 7 rounds in poll.

 

[Smallhorses]

I take it we're submitting times to SuperShouden for this race, race 7 and then viperin will take over for rounds 8 - 10?

I've already submitted my time PM, as we're off for a long weekend in Pismo Beach on the Central California Coast. Won't be back until Tuesday night, so hopefully the results and the next qualifier will be up by then.

Have fun chaps, see you at the chequered flag. 👍

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm down with whatever. However..

If the contest is gonna be re-instated to 10 rounds again, we'll need to address my weight issue. Or my car's weight issue, rather.

At the beginning of the contest, the Mustang started at 1,552 kg as its base weight as per this thread:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=127550

Somehow, it's now got a 1,568 kg base. So with a +5 weight penalty, my car should be somewhat less than what it is now (1,646 kg) but I'm not sure where because I haven't got my PS2 fired up.

I was gonna let this discrephancy slide if the race series was soon coming to an end, but if we're going 10 rounds, I want my weight back where it should be again, please.

 

[SuperShouden]

That's probably my fault. I probably gave you a 1 tick weight penalty one round and just added onto that penalty from there. Yeah. You know what weight you're supposed to be running. However, I think you, PB, could use the extra weight. jk. And...I think I'll be good for the remaining rounds...especially now that TDU2's been pushed back to 2011.

 

[Smallhorses]

However, being as PB is a front runner in this series, and fighting

hard for the honour, it's only fair that he's racing on as level a playing-field as the rest of us.

I'm quite happy to see PB win the championship, but I'm enjoying the chipping away at his lead, lose a point in qualifying, gain a couple in race, gain a point in qualifying, lose a couple in the race, as far as it's gone as it's keeping me hooked and entertained and coming back week after week and I can tell this is going down to the Massa/Hamilton wire, so it seems a shame to end it prematurely, especially with Sarthe to come where PB & the other "power" cars will have an advantage. 👍

As my buddy DaveS1138 used to have in his signature: "I'd rather lose a 4hr Endurance by 10s than win a 4hr Endurance by 10 laps.", so too I'd rather come in 2nd by a single point knowing I'd pushed myself to the limit for the full series than call the series early and have no mathematical chance of winning going into a premature end, and if this is an issue that PB has been suffering with for a number of races, then he should be awarded a commensurate number of bonus points per race that he's carried the extra weight, be it 1/2 pt per race or 1 pt per race, as determined appropriate by GTMSA.

 

[oldmodelt]

Time submitted

 

[Parnelli Bone]

However, being as PB is a front runner in this series, and fighting

hard for the honour, it's only fair that he's racing on as level a playing-field as the rest of us.

I'm quite happy to see PB win the championship, but I'm enjoying the chipping away at his lead, lose a point in qualifying, gain a couple in race, gain a point in qualifying, lose a couple in the race, as far as it's gone as it's keeping me hooked and entertained and coming back week after week and I can tell this is going down to the Massa/Hamilton wire, so it seems a shame to end it prematurely, especially with Sarthe to come where PB & the other "power" cars will have an advantage. 👍

As my buddy DaveS1138 used to have in his signature: "I'd rather lose a 4hr Endurance by 10s than win a 4hr Endurance by 10 laps.", so too I'd rather come in 2nd by a single point knowing I'd pushed myself to the limit for the full series than call the series early and have no mathematical chance of winning going into a premature end, and if this is an issue that PB has been suffering with for a number of races, then he should be awarded a commensurate number of bonus points per race that he's carried the extra weight, be it 1/2 pt per race or 1 pt per race, as determined appropriate by GTMSA.

Thank you. 👍 That's what I think of when I look at the series thru (what I imagine) your eyes. And GT Sail's eyes. And Viperin's eyes. Or whoever. I'm sitting on the top, but my car has flaws (mostly understeer and excessive front tire-wear). My driving also isn't always as up-to-par as it could be. And you guys sense this, which makes you try that much harder.
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And I, in turn, am trying to make this challenging for you guys as well (in GS, anyways). I promise not to slack. But I want the rules to be fair as well.

...Notice I didn't bother qualifying in ST. That's because I'm already bored with the multi-point lead I've got there. That's how I get with sim-racing as well. If I'm killing the Ai during sim races, I'll often start over with less power/lesser parts. My evidence is here:

http://www.gtcarreviews.com/id3.html

Thank you.

 

[DK]

Time submitted for the 50 miles. If it's meant to be 100 miles, will my time be multiplied by 2?

 

[SuperShouden]

you're fine. It is a 50 mile race, so, you're good. 👍

 

[viperin]

Hey all,

Races done and dusted and times submitted

The shorter Races were much to my liking. Enjoyed the GS race quite a bit even though I ended up winning handily with AI +4.
Very consistent and mostly stress free once I had passed everyone.
Had a bit of a tussle with a Charger Super Bee for a while, swapping the lead a few times around laps 5-6.
He tried a bit of argy bargy on me, but I gave him a heavy blow, which sorted the matter out
Then proceeded to the win unchallenged.

I decided to set the AI @ +6 for the ST race which turned out to be a mistake as I was last in the Race, not that it matters.
Not as enjoyable as the GS race as the Golf is just horrible to drive and to be honest I was glad when it ended.

I agree that PB should be compensated for having to cart more flab around than necessary.
I propose that if he won any Races with the wrong weight - no bonus.
If he placed anywhere but first - a 1 point bonus to be added forthwith.

Good luck all.
Will I throw a spanner in the works for the leaders ?
Will I siphon any points away from those desperately trying to gain an advantage?
Will oldmodelt sneak under the radar and dash the leaders hopes ?

Things are getting very interesting

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hey all,

Races done and dusted and times submitted

The shorter Races were much to my liking. Enjoyed the GS race quite a bit even though I ended up winning handily with AI +4.
Very consistent and mostly stress free once I had passed everyone.
Had a bit of a tussle with a Charger Super Bee for a while, swapping the lead a few times around laps 5-6.
He tried a bit of argy bargy on me, but I gave him a heavy blow, which sorted the matter out
Then proceeded to the win unchallenged.

I decided to set the AI @ +6 for the ST race which turned out to be a mistake as I was last in the Race, not that it matters.
Not as enjoyable as the GS race as the Golf is just horrible to drive and to be honest I was glad when it ended.

I agree that PB should be compensated for having to cart more flab around than necessary.
I propose that if he won any Races with the wrong weight - no bonus.
If he placed anywhere but first - a 1 point bonus to be added forthwith.

I'm confused now. I just want my weight back where it should be. But you're now the organizer of the CTC? Or you will be? You're in charge (or you will be) so you'll be making the rules. If we're tampering with Supershoulden's original rules, let's make sure we're all on the same page with lots of communication.

Personally, I think SS's original rules were fine...

In effect, Mustangs start at 1,552 kg during the beginning of the CTC, according to the Signup page. Which means I should be at 1,630 kg with a +5 penalty. Somehow, I'm now at 1,646. LIke I said, I wasn't gonna make a fuss if the CTC were shortened to 7 rounds, but if it's gonna stay at 10, things have to be set to right.

The main reason I'm leading in GS is because Smallhorses missed a race (Autumn Ring) and a qualifying session (I think), not really because I'm any better or faster. And we got 4 more rounds to go. That's really why I'm trying to keep things right. I would allow Smallhorses (or anybody else) the same courtesies if they were leading. In effect, if his car's weight were wrong (too heavy), and he were leading, I'd still want his car's weight set where it should be. That's only fair.

Bottom line (and sorry for all the above text): am I running Laguna Seca at 1,630 kg or 1,646 kg? Let's have an answer today please, from you, SS, or whoever is running the CTC, as I'll be doing all my driving today. I think we have until tomorrow to submit, but I won't have time to race tomorrow.

Good luck all.
Will I throw a spanner in the works for the leaders ?
Will I siphon any points away from those desperately trying to gain an advantage?
Will oldmodelt sneak under the radar and dash the leaders hopes ?

Things are getting very interesting

Yes they are...

 

[viperin]

Well, it is not my call to make just at present; does not matter though, as it is clear from the original specs that you should be at 1630 for this Race.
Also does not matter if we do only seven races or all ten, fair is fair.
Cut & dried 👍

 

[GTsail]

*snip^
In effect, Mustangs start at 1,552 kg during the beginning of the CTC, according to the Signup page. Which means I should be at 1,630 kg with a +5 penalty. Somehow, I'm now at 1,646.
...

I've gone back and looked at my notes during round one, and Parnelli Bone is correct, the Mustang should have a base weight of 1552kg for this CTC series. At one point early on I was hoping my son would enter this Series and he likes Mustangs so his car had the 1552kg weight. My guess is that at one point PB's weight penalty got added to the Mustang's base weight on the Arcade setting screen of 1568, instead of the CTC's base weight of 1552.

Hopefully, PB, you ran this Laguna Seca race at 1630kg?

I will do my best to finish ahead of you in the race, so you can eliminate some more weight for the next race (if there is one), but if I don't, don't worry, you look marvelous!

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[DK]

Will next week be a 100 miles race?

 

[viperin]

Hopefully, PB, you ran this Laguna Seca race at 1630kg?

I will do my best to finish ahead of you in the race, so you can eliminate some more weight for the next race (if there is one), but if I don't, don't worry, you look marvelous!
Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[SuperShouden]

Will next week be a 100 miles race?

yes. Next week is 100 miles of Trial Mountain.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Well I had a good race in GS. Selected a +7, which turned out a Barracuda on poll, as well as an Audi RS wagon, BMW M3 GTR, Lotus Esprit of some variety, and a Jaguar XKR. What was awesome about it was 22 laps isn't enough to induce Ai pit-strategy overkill. So the BMW didn't get a chance to get WAY AHEAD of all the others as it takes less pit stops. No, the Lotus, BMW, and Jaguar were all pretty much competing for 2nd or 3rd place the entire time, while I held first.

But there was never a moment when I couldn't see at least one of these 3 cars behind me. Was one of the better races in Arcade because it felt almost perfectly balanced. 👍

If I drove any slower (even a little slower) I would have been overtaken. Matter of fact, the BMW was getting dangerously close to my rear bumper in that final lap! Was thinking he REALLY wanted to give me a pit-penalty towards the end. Phew!

 

[oldmodelt]

Will oldmodelt sneak under the radar and dash the leaders hopes ?

I think Viperin is doing too much of this before he posts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FNGZnlSj1o

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Nobody's voted "I don't care" so far. Everyone's got an opinion. Interesting.

 

[SuperShouden]

I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet. But I think we'll be doing ten rounds. But I'm not sure if I'll run it or hand the baton over to Mr. Grass.

 

[viperin]

A forlorn figure sits quietly by himself,whistling tunelessly.
An occasional sigh escapes from deep within his slumped shoulders.

"I wonder if crickets are carnivorous ? " he ponders.

Sigh.

 

[SuperShouden]

well. I had everything down.....had...until I f'ed everything up. I'll get it down later today tomorrow...then viper's takin' over so I don't take forever to get results out.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Hah! I just turned on my internet, rushed to GTP>Online Races> Long Series > GTP/CTC Laguna Seca race results for nothing then! I always get this horrible adrenaline rush when I come here to look at results, don't know how you guys feel.

...But they're not up yet. I'm not mad or anything...but I feel like my HOT date just told me she can't stay out all night; she's got a curfew, and now I gotta figure out what to do with the rest of my night. If that makes any sense.

 

[oldmodelt]

...But they're not up yet. I'm not mad or anything...but I feel like my HOT date just told me she can't stay out all night; she's got a curfew, and now I gotta figure out what to do with the rest of my night. If that makes any sense.

I'm married. Mine's usually asleep. There's two other races going on in the meantime.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I'm married. Mine's usually asleep. There's two other races going on in the meantime.

Clever way to drop a hint.

 

[viperin]

I think Viperin is doing too much of this before he posts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FNGZnlSj1o

That is exactly right !
I do not drink my Vodka neat anymore though.
Lashings of hot Screwdrivers all round Manuel !

 

[Parnelli Bone]

For what it's worth, here's my race everyone...

That's supposed to be 38:09.797

 

[Smallhorses]

From my submission PM to SuperShouden which was read on Aug 17th:

User Name: Smallhorses
Class: GS
Car: Nissan 350Z (Z33) '03
Number: 42
HP: 240HP (-15%)
Weight: 1399kg (+6%)
Total Time: 37'16.082
Fastest Lap: 1'38.823 (Lap 20)
No. of Pits: 1

Ran a 1-stopper on SS tyres all round, and was consitently in the mid- to low-1'39s. Couldn't seem to get near my qualifying time of 1'37.779 though. Had a great race against +8 AI, and won the race for 200 A-spec points by about 6s from a TVR 350C.

It's going to be a really short qualifying week if we're supposed to get a lap in and submitted by Sunday deadline when it's Wednesday already and we don't even know what we're supposed to be doing yet!

I've already transferred the remainder of the year's premium subscription that I bought for the series organiser over to viperin in anticipation of him helping to complete the GTPCTC season on SuperShouden's behalf. 👍

 

[GTsail]

*snip*...Total Time: 37'16.082
Fastest Lap: 1'38.823 (Lap 20)...

Very nice Smallhorses!

My finishing time was a pokey 38.11.182, so I was nowhere near your Nissan 350Z. I had a very nice race battling a BMW similar to Parnelli Bone's, and am now glad that I was not on the track at the same time as you! I would have spent too much time watching my mirrors, and no doubt would have driven off into the sand!

Respectfully,
GTsail