Hello and Welcome to another Touge Showdown! Today, we're featuring cars in the unlimited horsepower range. This is our final TMax episode, and the competition is surely fierce! Ranging from Japanese sports cars to Giant American trucks, alongside some bonus videos featuring the 86/FR-S trio from T300! Let's begin!
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SAPPH Honda NSX Type R 02
Robs Sector Time: 29.666
Mats Sector Time: 30.249
Sector 3: 53.321 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: This car accelerates very well, and can manage the power just as gracefully. The car grips and rotates excellently, as the NSX naturally does; hugging the road and showing no signs of oversteer or understeer. The car is responsive to every input (or rather, command.) and responds with grace and precision. The car stops well. The only fault I could find was inside wheelspin, which felt prevalent in every corner. Besides that, the car is top notch.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Average LSD
Slenders Impressions: This NSX is FAST!!! The grip level on this car is great combined with the LSD work is spot on. Acceleration is excellent but i felt that the car needed more rotation... Also I found that the weight ballast was in the wrong place on the first run and I moved it as far forward as possible, This resulted in better front end grip...
Pros:
- Good Suspension
- Excellent Acceleration
- Great levels of Grip
- Good LSD
Cons:
- Needs more rotation
- Weight Ballast could be further forward
Mats Impressions: Working with only 450HP, yet it still proves to keep up with the rest of the pack! This NSX is really quick! It has sufficient grip, it's agile, and very responsive. My only findings involve the wheel slippage. Usually when exiting a corner, the inner rear tire turns red. Overall, the car is quite competitive, and is probably my favourite one in this showdown.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Very Agile
- Excellent Response
- Great Stability
- Excellent Handling
- Great Balance
Cons:
- Inner tire spins on exit
Robs Score: 99
Slenders Score: 99
Mats Score: 99
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DCybertron Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro 09
Robs Sector Time: 29.117
Mats Sector Time: 29.967
Sector 3: 52.445 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: This car has excellent grip and acceleration, but lacks some top speed from its short gears. Theres a bit of mild understeer here and there, but nothing uncontrollable. The car is very stable and brakes well. The engine is powerful and responsive. The car surprisingly puts all of its power down very well. Its a great car, even for a beginner.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Mild Understeer
- Average Transmission
Slenders Impressions: This car has some potential for a serious tune... Rotation is on point and the speed is up there, But I found it reaches peak in every gear to quick and that it is unstable with its weight transfer on switching direction at speed.
Pros:
- Good Rotation
- Good Speed
- Good Acceleration
Cons:
- Transmission needs Work
- Unbalanced Weight Transfer
Mats Impressions: The acceleration is great, stability is great, transmission is good, but the stiffness and weak brakes kill it. The stiffness sometimes leads me to understeering into a corner, but it's nothing too major. The transmission is a little bothersome, due to 2nd and 3rd being a bit short, and being maxxed out at the straightaway, but you'll get used to it. It's fast, but you can't maintain full control at all times. In lower speeds, the car is quite nice to drive.
Pros:
- Quick Accel
- Excellent Stability
- Good Handling
Cons:
- Some Understeer
- Quite stiff
Robs Score: 98
Slenders Score: 98
Mats Score: 98
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krenkme BMW M3 Coupe 07
Robs Sector Time: 29.867
Mats Sector Time: 30.250
Sector 3: 53.707 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: The car has excellent rotation off-throttle, a bit too much, but understeers mildly when on it. The first thing I noticed was how well the car braked, and a bit of inside wheelspin, but not as much as the NSX had. The car gripped the road pretty well, while making excellent use of its suspension. The car sounded like a fart can ricer, but that didnt stop it from being fast.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Off-Throttle Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Mild On-Throttle Understeer
- Average LSD
Slenders Impressions: I think this BMW has the acceleration & speed of a well tuned DTM machine built for the road. Suspension wise it is well tuned but it has issues with understeer from corner entry to mid turn which i believed slowed the car down more than needed...
Pros:
- Good Acceleration
- Good Grip
- Good Speed
Cons:
- Understeer Entry to Mid Turn
Mats Impressions: The car feels responsive, the brakes work really well, and the acceleration is quick! The handling is good, but feels stiff in corner entry. On some occasions, the rear likes to slip out on throttle. The inner rear wheel tends to spin on exit.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Good Handling
- Good Stability
- Great Brakes
Cons:
- Stiff on corner entry
Robs Score: 98
Slenders Score: 97
Mats Score: 97
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robrabbitman Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. 07
Robs Sector Time: 30.167
Mats Sector Time: 30.510
Sector 3: 53.204 (Set by Slender)
Sector 3?: 52.619 (Set by Korza)
Korzas Impressions: Initially when I found out I would be testing an Evo X, I was skeptical. I've never been a fan of the X in GT5 (odd cause I actually like them IRL) and I have to say I was presently surprised. It's super stable while remaining neutral in handling. And it has epic acceleration, brakes and rotation. It really reminds of the Evo Super Rally car. So much so that I now want to build one. 
Pros:
- Extremely Fast
- Neutral
- Easy to drive quickly
Cons:
- None
Rob's Impressions: After driving all of the other cars, Ive decided that I liked my Evo a lot more than I had previously thought. It felt so great and familiar to me. The car accelerated well, but not lightning fast, and it hugged the road while rotating excellently around corners and providing supercar levels of grip. It brakes nicely and overall works well with my driving style.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- None
Slenders Impressions: Rob has brought a Lan Evo X to Tmax and it feels like a rally car... Rotation, Acceleration & transmission are all good if not great. I felt the was a little still mid turn but other than that it was good fun to drive.
Pros:
- Good Rotation
- Good Transmission
- Rally Car Feel
- Great Acceleration
Cons:
- Stiff Mid-Turn
Mats Impressions: Quick acceleration, excellent brakes, great cornering and stability. This car is a blast to drive! There's a bit of understeer here and there, but it is manageable, however. The car is pretty easy to drive, yet it gives a great sense of speed, and provides a challenge.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Excellent Brakes
- Excellent Stability
- Excellent Handling
- Excellent Response
Cons:
-Minor Understeer
Korzas Score: 100
Rob's Score: NA
Slenders Score: 99
Mats Score: 99
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BobbyBRAKEaNek Chevrolet Camaro SS 10
Robs Sector Time: 29.266
Mats Sector Time: 30.040
Sector 3: 54.876 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: The car stopped well from corner one! The car makes great use of its transmission, but doesnt put its power down that well. The car has some inside wheelspin (this is becoming a trend.) in 2nd-4th gear corners, and lacks a lot of stability coming out of slower corners. It also has some mild understeer when not on-throttle. It is powerful and torquey, but too powerful for itself to control.
Pros:
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Average Grip
- Mild Understeer
- Average LSD
Slenders Impressions: Modern era muscle car look kinda cool on the Touge but I felt this Camaro was a bit stiff causing major understeer throughout the turns. Also I think the LSD could do with some more work as it lights up the inside rear tyre on turn exits. Acceleration & speed wise this car was good.
Pros:
- Good Acceleration
- Good Speed
Cons:
- A Bit Stiff
- LSD needs more work
Mats Impressions: I found that the acceleration is good, stability is good, and the transmission is good too. The thing that bothers me is the handling characteristics. It's hard to maintain a consistent line, due to the mild entry understeer, and the exit oversteer.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Good Brakes
- Good Stability
- Good Transmission
Cons:
- Mild understeer on entry and oversteer on exit
Robs Score: 96
Slenders Score: 96
Mats Score: 96
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Slender_Man Nissan GT-R M・spec Nür (R34) 02
Robs Sector Time: 29.634
Mats Sector Time: 30.778
Sector 3: 52.991 (Set by Slender)
Hei's Impressions: I drove it for around 23 laps. I did 3 hot laps at the very end, which I taped. Sorry for the bad quality as I have no capture card and for my BGM. It is a lovely car. Very responsive. Has ton's of mechanical grip. I kept running high 2:45's to 2:46.3's. It has potential to run mid to low 2:44's in my hands. It is neutral under most circumstances. It does have a couple problems though. It hates panicked braking, and on a few turns, has very slight understeer. Almost unnoticeable. I also find the gearbox a bit short, limiting the car to 160 on the back straight. I did run it tcs and abs on 1. It is very fun to drive though. Corners like a dream and is fast as hell. It is very easy to drive and allows you to feel like you are a few notches above your current driving level.
Pros:
- Extremely fast
- Easy to drive
- Very Neutral, even under no throttle.
- Amazing dampers
Cons:
- Brake balance makes it lose traction on front tires even with tcs on 1 under heavy load.
- Gearbox feels short
- Very small understeer on exit on a couple turns
Robs Impressions: Wow, this car is excellent in every way. Its fast, its responsive, its predictable, and it manages itself quite nicely. The acceleration is blistering provided you shift at 7k until ~160 mph when it really flops on its face. The car hugs the road while providing lots of information on whats going on. The brakes are excellent, especially for a Skyline. Top notch tune from a top notch racer.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Good Transmission
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Low Top Speed
Slenders Impressions: Ive gone for a Feel over Speed approach to this R34 GT-R. Focus has been solely of the handling of the car whilst putting out 565BHP. I also chose to use a close Ratio transmission as I felt it work better for this tune... As its my own tune I found to me to be no faults with it...
Pros:
- Great Rotation
- Good Acceleration
- Great Grip
- Good Transmission
Cons:
- None
Mats Impressions: This car is amazing! It may not be the fastest, but it feels very exciting! There's no stopping this car! You turn, the car responds immediately and without hesitation, the car turns as you wish. The acceleration is great, the balance is great, response, handling, and transmission are great!
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Excellent Handling
- Excellent Balance
- Excellent Response
- Excellent Brakes
- Excellent Transmission
Cons:
- None
Hei's Score: 98
Robs Score: 100
Slenders Score: NA
Mats Score: 100
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SolidSnake7735 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C6) 06
Robs Sector Time: 29.267
Mats Sector Time: 30.164
Sector 3: 53.563 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: This car has Veyron killing acceleration. Its incredibly fast... wait, do I have milk bottle tops as brakes? No, Im just going too fast and braking too late. To be honest, this car is the epitome of why I didnt enter a Corvette in TMAX. Theres a lot of outside wheelspin, leading to a loss of stability in really any corner. The car has too much power and it cant put it all down, and to top it off, it understeers mildly. Its an average car; thats all I really have to comment.
Pros:
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Average Grip
- Average Rotation
- Average LSD
Slenders Impressions: Snake has entered a Corvette for Tmax and this one I feel like...Wait for it... Try to kill you!!! The transmission is very nice and evenly spread out for speed & acceleration. Rotation is good once the front end grips after its finished understeering...
Pros:
- Nice Transmission
- Good LSD
- Doesnt try to kill you
Cons:
- Understeer!!!!
Mats Impressions: For me, Corvette's are usually tail-happy cars. These cars will slide out just because they can! Snake's Z06 here, is quite different. The acceleration is quick, the brakes are excellent, and the handling is great. There's quite a small issue though... Understeer. Also, the outer rear tire tends to spin too much on exit. Overall, an impressive car.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Good Stability
- Great Handling
Cons:
- Understeer
- Outer rear tire spins on exit
Robs Score: 95
Slenders Score: 97
Mats Score: 97
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fbccars925 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR 08
Robs Sector Time: 29.066
Mats Sector Time: 29.853
Sector 3: 53.272 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: Just looking at the specs, Im afraid of this car. Can somebody say tyre-shredder? I was pleasantly surprised, as this car was not quite the handful I thought it would be. The car felt excellent in some corners and kind of lazy in others, with average rotation overall. And hell, its fast! I didnt even get to touch 6th, nor would I have dared! It has quite a bit of wheelspin in slower corners because of its massive torque. This car is what a Viper should be, a prowling snake that hunts smaller prey and will bite you if you dare agitate it.
Pros:
- Good Grip
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Moderate Exit Wheelspin
- Average Rotation
Slenders Impressions: A 900+HP Widow Maker on the Touge.... Overkill? Maybe but some people could say otherwise. The power delivery in this car was very manageable. The rotation was ok but I found the car to feel soft causing it to understeer on turn entry. The transmission is for using it's 900+HP power band, But the gear ratios are way off for use in the turns where I found myself having to use 1st gear in some turns.
Pros:
- Manageable power delivery
- Ok rotation
Cons:
- Understeer on turn entry
- Felt soft
- Transmission Ratios not suited for track
Mats Impressions: Over 900HP, yet it doesn't feel too brutal. The power is nicely handled, and the cornering characteristics take it well. In some areas, however, it feels soft along with some understeer on entry. On some corners, the outer rear tire spins.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Good Handling
- Good Stability
Cons:
- Understeers in some areas
- Outer rear tire spins
Robs Score: 96
Slenders Score: 94
Mats Score: 95
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Hei Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi Quad Cab 04
Robs Sector Time: 30.117
Mats Sector Time: 30.615
Sector 3: 53.944 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: Oh my... a Yank Tank on the touge! But seriously, this truck is excellent for being a giant red behemoth! It only understeers a bit, but feels excellent for being such a big and heavy car. The only thing that was bad about this truck was that it accelerated so slowly... it was on par with most of my 500PP cars, which says a lot. Other than that, this car was great!
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- Mild Understeer
- Poor Acceleration
Slenders Impressions: Talk about thinking outside the box... JC I think is off to Pick up some boxes when he entered a Dodge Ram Truck into the Touge Shootout Its a heavy old thing but when driving it, It doesnt show it. The only thing I found was that it understeered on corner entry but everything else I liked. Truly a quick heavyweight. 👍
Pros:
- Good Grip
- Good Rotation
- Good Excelleration
- Great Speed for its weight
Cons:
- Understeer on turn entry
Mats Impressions: The moment I started driving it, the first thought that popped into my mind was a fat man that weighs just as much as an average man. Seriously, this car, errm... truck, this truck just fails to show that it weighs nearly 2 tons! It grips every corner, showing just a bit of entry understeer. Everything else feels like a sports car!
Pros:
- Great Acceleration
- Excellent Brakes
- Excellent Handling
- Excellent Stability
- Excellent Response
Cons:
- Minor Understeer
Robs Score: 98
Slenders Score: 99
Mats Score: 99
*Special Award* - Most Unique and Unexpected vehicle.
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Onboy123 Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C 04
Robs Sector Time: 29.450
Mats Sector Time: 29.750
Sector 3: 52.641 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: Ahh... another Impreza from Onboy. I dont have anything to say besides utter perfection. This car just felt like a faster (and winged) version of his T300 car with a little more rotation in the mix. Its such an excellent car. Let the results speak for themselves.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent LSD
- Excellent Suspension
- Excellent Brakes
Cons:
- None
Slenders Impressions: Onboys TMax Impreza is insanely fast compared to his T300 car and I could easily notice all the same Pros that i found on the T300 car... But I felt that this car was suffering from understeer from Mid-turn causing me to have to slow down on pace. Other than that its a great car.
Pros:
- Good Rotation
- Great Acceleration
- Great Transmission
- Insane Speed
Cons:
- Understeer from Mid-Turn
Mats Impressions: Yet again, another Impreza from Onboy. One of the fastest among the entries today. Everything in this car is in top shape, except for the minor understeer from mid-corner. However, with that flaw, the car still manages to take a high score, along with a fast time. (In my review. )
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Excellent Handling
- Excellent Response
- Excellent Brakes
- Excellent Stability
Cons:
- Minor mid-corner understeer
Robs Score: 100
Slenders Score: 99
Mats Score: 99
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TanJaM92 Shelby Series One Super Charged 03
Robs Sector Time: 29.583
Mats Sector Time: 29.479
Sector 3: 53.497 (Set by Slender)
Robs Impressions: This car is really nice to drive
it accelerates well and hugs the road excellently. I really like everything about this car except the inside wheelspin and oversteer during braking. I just dislike braking oversteer in general because it can get a touch out of hand and cause unwanted breaks of traction.
Pros:
- Excellent Grip
- Excellent Rotation
- Excellent Engine
- Excellent Transmission
- Excellent Suspension
Cons:
-Average LSD
-Oversteer During Braking
Slenders Impressions: Bringing a muscle car to the Touge is brave as the handling isnt the best thing on these cars, But this car has been tuned well and rotation is good... It still has a bit of that muscle car understeer mid-turn and I found the brakes to be a bit weak. Apart from these issues I enjoyed driving this car.
Pros:
- Great Acceleration
- Great LSD
- Good Rotation
Cons:
- Weak Brakes
- Muscle Car understeer Mid-turn
Mats Impressions: I found the car to be quite difficult to steer into a corner, at first. The front end would tend to push, then it would understeer all the way. The steering feels heavy, but the response is good, however. The LSD could use some improvement, since it allows for some wheelspin. The braking distance is quite huge, if I say so myself. I've had a lot of close calls with the railings and such. The acceleration is great, along with some good stability. After a few minutes, I was enjoying it, and I realized it has a lot of potential for a muscle car.
Pros:
- Quick Acceleration
- Good Stability
- Good Response
- Quick Acceleration
Cons:
- Somewhat heavy steering
- Front end tends to push through corners
- Wheelspin on entry and exit
- Long braking distance
Robs Score: 98
Slenders Score: 97
Mats Score: 97
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Now that the evaluations are complete, let's head on to the Semi-Final Battles! The top 5 cars that made it into the semi-finals are the highest average pointers. They are:
Slender_Man's Nissan GT-R M・spec Nür (R34) 02 with 99.3 Points
robrabbitman's Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. 07 with 99.3 Points
Onboy123's Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C 04 with 99.3 Points
SAPPH's Honda NSX Type R 02 with 99 Points
Hei's Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi Quad Cab 04 with 98.6 Points
Here's how the battle will go:
Semi-Final Battle 1: Hei's Ram vs SAPPH's NSX
Semi-Final Battle 2: Semi-Final 1 Winner vs Rob's Evo
Semi-Final Battle 3: Semi-Final 2 Winner vs Slender's R34
Semi-Final Battle 4: Semi-Final 3 Winner vs Onboy's Impreza
Final Battle: Semi-Final 4 Winner vs GT-R R35 (TMax Touge Monster)
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DISCLAIMER: Large amounts of lag is present in some of these videos
Semi-Final Battle 1
Hei's Dodge Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi Quad Cab 04
VS
SAPPH's Honda NSX Type R 02
robrabbitman will be driving Hei's car.
Slender_Man will be driving SAPPH's car.
ROUND 1
Lead Car: Hei's Ram
Chase Car: SAPPH's NSX
WINNER: SAPPH's NSX
ROUND 2
Lead Car: SAPPH's NSX
Chase Car: Hei's Ram
WINNER: SAPPH's NSX
Semi-Final Battle 2
SAPPH's Honda NSX Type R 02
VS
robrabbitman's Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. 07
robrabbitman will be driving his car.
Slender_Man will be driving SAPPH's car.
ROUND 1
Lead Car: Rob's Evo
Chase Car: SAPPH's NSX
WINNER: Rob's Evo
ROUND 2
Lead Car: SAPPH's NSX
Chase Car: Rob's Evo
WINNER: Rob's Evo
Semi-Final Battle 3
robrabbitman's Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. 07
VS
Slender_Man's Nissan GT-R M・spec Nür (R34) 02
robrabbitman will be driving his car.
Slender_Man will be driving his car.
ROUND 1
Lead Car: Rob's Evo
Chase Car: Slender's R34
WINNER: Rob's Evo
ROUND 2
Lead Car: Slender's R34
Chase Car: Rob's Evo
This one was a tough one to decide, but I've handed it to Rob's Evo for sticking right behind the R34 during the entire run, except for the final corner. Therefore, the Evo wins!
WINNER: Rob's Evo
Semi-Final Battle 4
robrabbitman's Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR P.P. 07
VS
Onboy123's Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C 04
robrabbitman will be driving his car
Slender_Man will be driving Onboy's car
ROUND 1
Lead car: Rob's Evo
Chase car: Onboy's Impreza
WINNER: Onboy's Impreza
ROUND 2
Lead car: Onboy's Impreza
Chase car: Rob's Evo
WINNER: Onboy's Impreza
I'm knew that was coming. Haha!
With recent debates regarding the R35, there were people who were against it. I myself would be too. However, with this being the final TMax battle, the R35 was given a chance to battle it out again for the final time! Just like in season 1, Onboy's Impreza and Slender's R35 were the finalists. What's going to happen this time?
Final Battle
Onboy123's Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STI spec C 04
VS
Slender_Man's Nissan GT-R SpecV '09
robrabbitman will be driving Onboy's car
Slender_Man will be driving his car
ROUND 1
Lead Car: Onboy's Impreza
Chase Car: Slender's GT-R
WINNER: Onboy's Impreza
ROUND 2
Lead Car: Slender's GT-R
Chase Car: Onboy's Impreza
WINNER: Slender's GT-R
ROUND 3
Lead Car: Onboy's Impreza
Chase Car: Slender's GT-R
Just like the 2nd round of Rob's Evo vs Slender's R34, the R35 kept right behind for the entire course, except for the final corner.
WINNER: Slender's GT-R
Quite a close battle wasn't it? That Impreza is crazy fast! Well, that ends our final episode of TMax. Until next time!
Producer:
Mat123
Drivers:
robrabbitman
Slender_Man
Mat123
Recordings:
Mat123
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED SUPPORT THIS SHOOTOUT
BONUS CLIPS
T300 86 Battle
ROUND 1
Lineup:
Roj's FR-S (Slender)
krenkme's 86 (Rob)
Rotary Junkie's 86 (Mat)
ROUND 2
Lineup:
Rotary Junkie's 86 (Mat)
krenkme's 86 (Rob)
Roj's FR-S (Slender)
Me and Onboy's Hybrid Battle
DISCLAIMER: Horrible driving by me and Horrible lag!
Specs on my car:
Nissan Silvia S15
Botched All-Wheel Drive conversion (Non-working front diff and permanent Torque split value.)
NSX Type-R Chassis
Onboy's Impreza:
Unknown aside from R33 RB26 Engine.
Both running 700 Horsepower.
Before you guys pick on me for my pathetic driving, do take note this was recorded months ago back in March and this was all for fun. 👍
Rob's spin-out in a Ram
I still love that R35(I even have it haha).
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