Gun ownership (from GT3 board)

Moores a funny dude..I donot aggree with hardly anything he say's but you have to admire a man who sticks with his beliefs and does his best not to be a hippocrit. Besides its nice to see someone piss against the wind for a change,,instead of taking the easy way out and standing in line with the sheep.
 
Originally posted by EliteRacer
I don't need to buy thousend of rounds of ammo. I don't shoot it in full auto, and the thing is locked in semi auto anyway.

Besides, the M-16 way more accurate than most rifles, not to mention It hardly never jams.

And .223 shells aren't that expensive..
If it's locked in semi-auto it isn't technically an M-16. It's an AR-15. But then i guess I'm picking nits.
It is a truly accurate weapon.
You must clean it often if it never jams. The early versions require much "preventative maintenance".
 
The jamming problem was cured ages ago by chrome plating the receiver..the jamming problem could have been avoided altogether if bob McNamara and his so called wiz kids would have just butted out., and let the people who actually know something about weapons leave that seemingly small modification to stoners rifle in. But no they had to butt in and as a result hundreds of our brothers where left with a useless piece of **** in there hands at very inopurtune times..like when they were getting shot..bureaucracy... ya gotta love it.:banghead:
 
Originally posted by ledhed
hundreds of our brothers where left with a useless piece of **** in there hands at very inopurtune times..like when they were getting shot..bureaucracy... ya gotta love it.:banghead:

Unfortunatly it appears that history may repeat itself, the standard issue British assult rifle is the much derided Enfield SA 80. It's interesting to note that the SAS and other specialist troops (that are not restricted in choice) tend to choose the M4A1 and the 203......
 
No, M5, it is not just self-righteous conservatism, but a sound observation of the mannerisms of the two men, albeit not of how they behave in every instance. Like the Libertarian Alan Keyes, Phil would cut in, flail his arms and, at times preach. But more important than his annoying physical gestures were the nature of his guests, and also of importance is what his onscreen graphics would show. His guests were many times, and once or twice is far too many, of an extreme nature, at times they were racist, or bordered on being so. This is highly inappropriate if your goal as host of a debate program is to allow for intelligent debate. Granted, you can argue that he cannot predict exactly what will be said, nor should we risk the slippery slope of censoring anyone. But what cannot be denied is that the choice of guests, which I seriously doubt Donahue had no say in, had the potential to make him look really good. And as for the the "Angry White Men" tag his show had for the more right wing/ conservative opinions discussed on his program, I hope the belief was that the tag was in the general and not the whole. If it was the whole, I am sorry to break it to Phil or whoever was responsible for the use of the term "Angry White Men," but there are minorities that have conservative opinons, which include those labelled as the view of "Angry White Men." I think I will cut Moore some slack.

But Phil deserves criticism, though why he was taken off the air, I can only speculate on. But I did hear that his ratings were improving. I admit that his show did grow on me some, so it was disappointing to find out he lost his show.

What makes Alan and Colmes and Bill Moyers so much better is their greater effort at fairness and continues, civil dialogue than what Phil attempted.
 
Originally posted by slip2rock
Unfortunatly it appears that history may repeat itself, the standard issue British assult rifle is the much derided Enfield SA 80. It's interesting to note that the SAS and other specialist troops (that are not restricted in choice) tend to choose the M4A1 and the 203......
If I were in charge of choosing:
Entry weapons/Close Quarters weapons would be H&K Mp5's.
The standoff (sniper rifle) would be a Barret .50 with infrared scope. Or the venerable HK 93 in .308
Rear-guard would be armed with either SPAS-12 or Stoner shotguns.
Standard sidearm would be the Czech CZ-75 chambered in .40 S&W or .357 SIG
But that's just my Humble opinion.
 
Originally posted by Gil
If I were in charge of choosing:
Entry weapons/Close Quarters weapons would be H&K Mp5's.
The standoff (sniper rifle) would be a Barret .50 with infrared scope. Or the venerable HK 93 in .308
Rear-guard would be armed with either SPAS-12 or Stoner shotguns.
Standard sidearm would be the Czech CZ-75 chambered in .40 S&W or .357 SIG
But that's just my Humble opinion.

Well the Brit police standard issue sub machine gun is the MP5, certainly if you walk through Heathrow you'll see the police carry them, I'm under the impresion that they have been modded to fire only in semi-auto though. They are very highly regarded that's for sure!

I'm not sure what the choice is for shotty's although i have seen an auto shotgun demmo'd by the police on TV, I was under the impression that was a Bennelli though.

I also agree on the SIG, although I've only read about them they appear to be an excellent side arm.

Anyway, I'm now worrying myself with my weapons knowledge. I'm a Brit after all, we don't have fire arms!
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
So lemme ask you this:

What's more important for the long term,.... the fact that you can have more FUN shooting an M-16 because it jams less frequntly, or saving innocent lives from gang-bangers with M16's that dont jam easily?


I don't plan on selling my M-16, and If I did, I'd sell it to someone I know, not to some moron on the street.
 
Originally posted by Gil
If it's locked in semi-auto it isn't technically an M-16. It's an AR-15. But then i guess I'm picking nits.
It is a truly accurate weapon.
You must clean it often if it never jams. The early versions require much "preventative maintenance".

But it is a M-16..Full-blown. It just has a welded knot of metal that won't let the selector go into full auto..

Ands it a M16-A2, that has the improvements over the A1.
 
Originally posted by EliteRacer
But it is a M-16..Full-blown. It just has a welded knot of metal that won't let the selector go into full auto..

Ands it a M16-A2, that has the improvements over the A1.
My bad.
So if you had a VERY careful welder friend you could have the "knot" of metal unwelded...Let me just leave this line of thought. I've read the trigger on the 'A2 is "gritty", and difficult to get a good smooth trigger pull. What is your opinion?

Slip, I don't know how I forgot about the Benelli.
I once saw a guy with a nine round magazine throw 7 clays into the air and shoot EVERY one of them with a Benelli:eek:
And as far as not having firearms remember, In the US if you buy a handgun you have to wait a week for the paperwork to clear the government. However, you can walk into Sears and buy a chainsaw TODAY.:P

Brits aside, because they tend to be polite anyway. I believe that an armed society is a polite society.
To loosly quote Harry Morgan from the movie "Support Your Local Sheriff": 'there was a time when if someone stuck his nose in someone else's business he was likely to get it blowed off!'.
 
Originally posted by Gil
My bad.
So if you had a VERY careful welder friend you could have the "knot" of metal unwelded...Let me just leave this line of thought.



I've read the trigger on the 'A2 is "gritty", and difficult to get a good smooth trigger pull. What is your opinion?

Sure, I could grind it down, but without permits I'd be thrown in jail for a few years.....and miss GT4....... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


IMHO, the trigger's fine. It's easy to get a grip on, sometimes it gets a bit Rough, but it doesn't bother me or my shot too much.
 
Originally posted by EliteRacer
Nope..It's a M-16...my most abmired weapon...I even own one..

The M4A1 Comes standerd with a collapsable stock, and a slightly shorter barrel and forum grip.

Honestly, unless you go on an African Saffari, you have no need to OWN an M-16. The M16-A2 also only has safety, single shot, and 3 shot burst. The M4A1 has the capability to do those plus full auto. Like you said, the M16 is larger, it also is heavier and has a much more powerful recoil.

I want the Barette, though. Then I can shoot through 10+ yards of concrete from a mile away:evil::mischievous:
 
Originally posted by supra229
Is that a sniper rifle cause I thought it was a hand gun?
Yes. It fires a .50 caliber round at something like 3000 fps.
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
hahaha, you own an M16! Once again, I feel VERY proud and happy to live in Canada.


The USA is living in fear. Fear of other countries, fear of themselves, fear of everything. Its part of your governments plans to stay in control.

If the USA were a person, he'd be a nervous guy cowered in the corner, chewing his fingernails and pointing a .357 Magnum at everyone else.


Watch Bowling for Columbine. Definitely one of the only movies worth watching these days. Its my favourite movie of all time.

Yer a SHEEP wearing blinders! BA BA BA In the USA it is unlawful to carry firearms into federal buildings that includes public schools. If you're under 18 years of age you can NOT buy and own any firearms. If you're are hunting, or target shooting, and have a parent/guardian's permission you can carry a shotgun or a rifle. If you're under 21 years of age you can NOT buy, own , carry any type of handgun. If you're a convicted felon, been committed to a mental ward, have been dishonorable discharged from any branch of the U.S. Military, or convited of beating your spouse you can NOT buy, own, and carry any firearm. If you sell, or buy a firearm for/to a person that has what I described above you will goto jail and become somebodies prisonb**ch getting the dry anal raped on a regular basis. :eek: In this fine country that I live in a citizen of this country can own a full automatic firearm. a $200 Class 3 Lincense, about 6 months to a year to receive the lincense. You also lose some of your liberties, because the BATF can at anytime come to your home to inspect your class 3 weapon. By the time you buy the gunsafe, and gun. Yer in the hole for about 15 grand.

Kristof :irked:
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic

The USA is living in fear. Fear of other countries, fear of themselves, fear of everything. Its part of your governments plans to stay in control.

If the USA were a person, he'd be a nervous guy cowered in the corner, chewing his fingernails and pointing a .357 Magnum at everyone else.

Me nit-picking again:
The .357 magnum may be one of the "smaller" magnum rounds on the market at the moment, what with the .454 Casull, .50 Desert Eagle and others in the mix.

However, the .357 is controllable in recoil, and the 125gr. JHP bullet is rated as a 90% plus for a "one-shot stop".
That's better than any other true "handgun" cartridge
currently in production.
On top of that, Taurus is now making a revolver chambered for .357 that has a 7-shot cylinder.
 
Originally posted by Gil
Me nit-picking again:
The .357 magnum may be one of the "smaller" magnum rounds on the market at the moment, what with the .454 Casull, .50 Desert Eagle and others in the mix.

However, the .357 is controllable in recoil, and the 125gr. JHP bullet is rated as a 90% plus for a "one-shot stop".
That's better than any other true "handgun" cartridge
currently in production.
On top of that, Taurus is now making a revolver chambered for .357 that has a 7-shot cylinder.

Did you know the .357 Magnum round was designed to stop an engine block. M16s are fun but it's a pain in the a$$ to pick up the brass. I'd rather use my Sako 222 Bolt-Action Rifle, or my friend's Sako 223 Bolt-Action Rifle if I was in target competition.

Kristof
 
I use a 145 grn ++p jacketed hollowpoint for my ruger 357 mag, It will split a 4x4 post. And I've got 8 razorbacks using that round ,,all one shot drops ( thankfully for me ) Yep the 357 mag is one bad ass round lots of kinentic energy..I wouldn't one one aimed at me.
 
What's a good handgun that will do what it's supposed to do dependably and is inexpensive. Like what caliber, auto or not, etc.
 
Ruger security six , used cost maybe 150.00 38spc / 357 mag with 4 " barrell . stainless steel and a revolver. Can't break it or jam it..and a 357 mag will stop most living things.
 
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