Gun ownership (from GT3 board)

I agree.
Another good handgun for low $$ is anythng made by Taurus in a revolver. They cost half what a Smith and Wesson does and a third what a Colt does.
The Speed-Six is a good weapon. Practically the "prototype" for all DA Ruger revolvers of this era.

But remember, a pistol is only for putting "lead in the air" while you go for the rifle (the real firepower) in the car-trunk.
 
I too am a gun owner. I own a Glock 9mm and a Smith & Wesson .22 caliber pistol. I used to go and shoot them quite a bit but lately I have been to busy with other things.

I don't think everyone should own a weapon because many are not repsonsible enough to own something that can take a life. I do believe that you may own one if you know and understand and accept the responsibility of it. Its not a toy. its not something you pick up lightly. Its sure not something you ever point at another person unless you are willing to kill them. For myself, I would never shoot anyone unless my life or a loved one's life was in immediate danger. Then I would not hesitate.

I understand that many do not feel this way and I can respect that. But I do not think that it is the business of anyone else to dictate to me whether I can adequately protect myself or my family.
 
Originally posted by KC
I too am a gun owner. I own a Glock 9mm and a Smith & Wesson .22 caliber pistol. I used to go and shoot them quite a bit but lately I have been to busy with other things.

I don't think everyone should own a weapon because many are not repsonsible enough to own something that can take a life. I do believe that you may own one if you know and understand and accept the responsibility of it. Its not a toy. its not something you pick up lightly. Its sure not something you ever point at another person unless you are willing to kill them. For myself, I would never shoot anyone unless my life or a loved one's life was in immediate danger. Then I would not hesitate.

I understand that many do not feel this way and I can respect that. But I do not think that it is the business of anyone else to dictate to me whether I can adequately protect myself or my family.

Isn't it possible to do that with a weapon that's not as easily concealable as say a 9mm?
 
Whats the point if its conceilable or not ? A responsible person will not be changed into an irresponsible person because of his choice in weapons.
You donot regulate based on the lowest common denominator, I include criminals in this class.
Limiting the rights or removing the rights of the majority because of the actions of a small minority will not work nor be tolerated for long in the US nor should it be.
There are tons of laws on the books to keep weapons from criminals and to make criminals out of those who choose to use a weapon unwisely. Note I said weapons ..a golf club will kill you just as dead as a shotgun.
The bottom line is the individual must take responsibility for their actions, not rely on a government to do it for him. When you start to do that you allow all of your rights as an individual to be in danger of regulation.
Education and enforcement of existing laws is the best place to start if you wan't to reduce the violent nature of the MINORITY of people in the US who choose to act unwisely. Removing all the guns from the face of the planet will not stop a undereducated economicly deprived unloved and unwanted youngster with nothing to lose from robbing raping and killing your ass.
address the root problem and stop using guns and gun owners as scapegoats.
 
Carry conceal is a different subject altogether. I do not carry either of my weapons unless I am shooting them. They are at my apartment. I do not have a carry conceal permit nor do I think I need one. Besides, unless you plan on wearing a jacket in the summer in Oklahoma (regularly 100F) my Glock is too big to carry concealed. The .22 in unsuitable as a personal defense weapon as it does not have enough power to stop a grown man unless it's a lucky shot. I use it for plinking. Its cheap and easy to use.

My pistol is not the best weapon for home defense either, but they are what I have chosen. The best weapon is a 12 gauge shot gun sawed off to the legal barrell limit and loaded with #4 field shot. It can completely clear a door way and will not miss like #00 buck will.

As far as gun control laws go, it has never proven effective to eliminate shootings by banning guns. Washington DC, New York City, and Los Angeles all have strict gun coontrol laws and all lead the nation in shootings. Oklahoma has more registered gun owners than any other state and we have less shootings statewide in one year than Washington DC has in six months.

According to the Federal Bureau of Vital Statistics there were 2,403,351 deaths in America last year. Of those deaths a firearm was used in 28,663 of those deaths. That is 1.2% of the total. Firearm deaths include police shootings, suicides and accidental deaths as well as homicides and defensive shootings. While I believe that this number must decrease, it is still very low.

Now I am not going to play the role and say that if everyone had guns then gun deaths would decrease because that is flawed thinking. Far too many people are not stable enough to walk around with a weapon. Hell, some people cannot operate in polite society unarmed. But, I agree that banning guns because of the misbehavior of a minor segment of the community does a disservice to the rest.
 
Originally posted by ledhed
Note I said weapons ..a golf club will kill you just as dead as a shotgun.
The bottom line is the individual must take responsibility for their actions, not rely on a government to do it for him. When you start to do that you allow all of your rights as an individual to be in danger of regulation.


come oooooooooooooooooooon. Your saying you'll step up to someone who has a shotgun as fast as you'll step up if they had golf club :confused: I find that pretty hard to believe.

And trust me, I'm ALL FOR our 2nd amendment rights,.... I DONT WANT A BAN ON ALL FIREARMS,... but I think we could coordinate a comprimise on concealability. Preventitive maintenance I suppose is what you could call it.

Your right, everyone should take responibility for their actions,.. but I guess I'm a little more cynical because I dont trust people I dont know any farther than I can throw em. Sad but true. Anyone of these people deemed 'ok' to buy a handgun, can turn right around and put it on the street.
 
I think I am going to buy a handgun. First off, they are fascinating and cool. I want to go to a range and shoot, make it a hobby. Secondly, there are people out there who will walk into your house while you are home, tie you up, rob you, rape your wife and kids while you watch, and leave you and your family to suffer for evermore... they do this with a big knife and a partner. How could I live with myself if I was left to contemplate the consequences of weighing my family's security against my sappy ideals?
 
Originally posted by milefile
Secondly, there are people out there who will walk into your house while you are home, tie you up, rob you, rape your wife and kids while you watch, and leave you and your family to suffer for evermore... they do this with a big knife and a partner. How could I live with myself if I was left to contemplate the consequences of weighing my family's security against my sappy ideals?


How many friggin-fraggin times do I have to tell you people that a ban on all firearms is not my point here. And yeah,. if it came down to it,.. I'd take out the SOB with my bare hands and die doin it.
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
How many friggin-fraggin times do I have to tell you people that a ban on all firearms is not my point here. And yeah,. if it came down to it,.. I'd take out the SOB with my bare hands and die doin it.
Uh... okay. Why quote me to say that?
 
Because I'm the only person here arguing the opposite,.. so I can only believe you were talking to me.......... and you mentioned the scenerio about the knife,... which was completely of my point. Led had just made that point, you didnt need to return to it.
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Because I'm the only person here arguing the opposite,.. so I can only believe you were talking to me.......... and you mentioned the scenerio about the knife,... which was completely of my point. Led had just made that point, you didnt need to return to it.

Don't flatter yourself. I merely shared my reason, which, if you can believe it, has nothing to do with you.
 
Wow. You're even more paranoid and self centered than I thought. I guess you'd be the type the gun laws would be protecting us from.

Well here's a little tip: Even though you are smattered all over every thread on this entire site, people are sometimes not addressing you, but rather, other members.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Wow. You're even more paranoid and self centered than I thought. I guess you'd be the type the gun laws would be protecting us from.

Well here's a little tip: Even though you are smattered all over every thread on this entire site, people are sometimes not addressing you, but rather, other members.


:nervous: ......................... :rolleyes:

I'm here to express my opinion,...... don't like it? Dont read it. ;)
 
Some conceilable projectile weapons are not only good they are excellent at doing the job they were created to do. and the list of good drugs is endless...starting with asprin. Its the people who choose to use these items in a bad way that need controlling. That in a short sentence is the point.
 
yeah,.. on that point,.. lemme refer back the my point about trusting no one.

And you forgot to include the word 'lethal' in that group of words,... led ;)


oh, and the drug thing,... that was a South Park joke,.... I think we should legalize everything.
 
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