Using iPhone so not going to quote each section.
I don't understand why you feel you need to protect yourself from the government as why would they be a threat? Doesn't make sense.
I have a tough time accepting the whole arming yourself against the government thing. It just sounds so outdated and fed by paranoia.
Don't forget, that is the reason our founding fathers gave us for the right, just after they learned that fighting your government is sometimes the only way.
And yes, on a day to day basis, defense against criminals (police response times are in the 10-15 range after a call, which may not happen until after the crime is finished) is more likely, not understanding why we may feel a need to defend ourselves against our government, especially from members who do get involved in Opinion threads discussing politics, seems to be an idea that is ignoring facts.
Our government has killed a teenage American citizen with a drone strike without due process.
Out president admits to having a secret kill list.
The only outrage anyone in government showed about the kill list was that its existence became known, not that it existed or included American citizens.
The newest version of the NDAA requests to allow the president to order the indefinite detention of US citizens without warrant or due process.
Not that he needed it before; PFC Bradley Manning blew the whistle on US actions overseas (our laws grant whistleblower protection) by releasing the Wikileaks documents to Julian Assange. Manning was detained for 18 months without charge, without the government acknowledging his detention, without access to a lawyer, and held in conditions that have now been revealed to be considered torture by US policy.
NDAA
Patriot Act
TSA
Our government has callously killed, tortured, and detained our own citizens and is now trying to gain more power to do it legally. And you don't know why some of us think it is reasonable to be prepared in the event we have to fight our own government? They've given us more than enough reasons.
Why was it so easy for the son to steal the guns? In the UK Shotguns (Which you can have a licence for) have to be kept in an police approved gun safe, if you don't have one you don't get the gun. Why would the son need access to her gun/guns? He wouldn't so he shouldn't have been able to get them.
Do you have kids? My mother could keep nothing hidden or locked away from me. Kids are resourceful. Maybe you never tried to find out what you were getting for Christmas, but it was an annual challenge for me.
Of course, you are assuming that he had allowed access to the guns. Do you know that for a fact or does it just fit your scenario you want to have in your head to justify your opinion?
In your scenario that happened then no you wouldn't as you have taken all reasonable action to prevent some one getting your weapons and could prove that. If you left them in your dinning room and someone stole them why not? Your failure to follow a procedure has resulted in the incident.
How do you know she wasn't exercising proper caution? Or what if they get left out because an emergency comes up while a gun owner has them out for cleaning and maintenance?
If you give your keys to someone and they get speeding tickets yes you should pay the fines, if your car is stolen and gets speeding fines then no. It's not a hard concept.
It's not a hard concept, but it is an offensive one. I can't be held responsible for something I can't witness. And in your liberty destroying world I would have to prove myself to be a victim of a crime to avoid being convicted of one that happened miles from my location.
And yeah, drug tests should taken!
Why? And what level of tolerance is your legal limit? Is alcohol use a violation? Prescription meds? Marijuana?
You must be blessed if the worst people you know are law enforcement.
It's called a joke. Usually, unjustified use of force by police is in the form of beating people or using stun guns.
I think you've missed the context of my original post, I was talking about the 10,800 people in the US who DID die from getting shot, versus the 120-odd people who DID die from getting shot in the UK... not just crimes involving guns. One is a really big number compared to the other, this cannot be argued?
Speaking of context, the US also has more murder and crime not involving guns. Maybe the problem goes back to what I was saying earlier; it isn't the guns that are the problem. It's our refusal to raise kids right or willingness to break through the stigma of mental illness to get people help.
And, my original point about murder versus other crimes seems to have been missed, the poster said it didn't matter to him whether he was murdered, robbed of raped, the violation of rights is still the same... I was saying that I'd rather not be murdered, as it 100% guarantees that my life is over, robbed or raped - though unpleasant, leaves me with the opportunity to live out the rest of my life, I don't see why that is such a hard thing to grasp. I've never said that that being the victim of a crime isn't terrible, just that for me it's still preferable to being dead.
You defended your point by the hyperbolic comment that non-guns don't kill you [stop] and a gunshot kills you, "finito." [stop]
Perhaps you should use less hyperbolic nonsense that has little relation to your point.
Er yes, too basic.
I can only repeat what I already said - ordinary people shouldn't have to arm themselves. I don't really understand how you can think it makes sense to allow people and even encourage people to bare arms instead of rely on the police? Why should it be normal for old people carry guns about?
It just seems really quite backwards to me.
Because when crime does happen the police are always Johnny on the spot? If someone rapes your wife or daughter do you expect the police to psychically know and get there first, or will you be reporting it after it has happened? Would you prefer they hunt down the rapist after or your loved one had a way to defend themselves?
Maybe you have a cop on every corner and alley, but in the US it is physically impossible to expect a police officer to be closer than 15 minutes away, and that is only after they are aware of a crime.
Them's MY pots and pans!
