Have you tracked a real 370Z?

[C.D]

I haven't, however I got more than enough driving experience to be able to tell that a 40k Euro sportscar should not start derapage'ing at 35 Km/h the way an overloaded van would normally do on ice.

 

[Raitziger]

I think the real issue here is not the actual car handling, but the stupid tire model and poor force feedback they are using. It's like as soon as the car loses traction there isn't any sideways force acting on the tire, like it's a solid object with no elasticity. Couple that with the fact that understeer and oversteer have absolutely no FFB component so you can't "feel" when the car is letting go, or when the grip has returned and it makes for a pretty awful drive.

For now i agree 100%. Also steering should go lighter in higher speeds and be heavier in slow speed if cars have no power steering in default (as you can put it on in wheel options) Other games give you indication if car understeers with wheel going light and some wheel twiching to slide direction when back lets loose.(like lfs forza 3)

ps: I have only played 40min of new demo

 

[fcautoX]

I have driven a 370Z around Moroso and Miami raceway. But only in SOLO events. The car in the game is to tailhappy and twitchy. It really surprised me considering how much work PD put into development. It seems like the car is to hard in the back. Adjusting the spring rate could do wonders. But oh well. Both cars seems to hard in the back. But dont get me wrong I thing it handles pretty true to reality......... just with an god awful set-up

You just said it felt too tailhappy, that means the back end is loose, not "hard". If the rear feels too tight or "hard" as you stated then the car would be bias tward understeer. Come on now, this is really basic tuning stuff. and its too twitchy because of your imputs.

 

[fcautoX]

Tire modelling has nothing to do with handling, what you are thinking of is the tire physics calculations. and they are there, elasticity and all.

 

[nobuffalo]

You just said it felt too tailhappy, that means the back end is loose, not "hard". If the rear feels too tight or "hard" as you stated then the car would be bias tward understeer. Come on now, this is really basic tuning stuff. and its too twitchy because of your imputs.

Are you sure you're not the one who has it backwards? I was always under the impression a stiffer rear will cause more oversteer.

 

[kayman]

You just said it felt too tailhappy, that means the back end is loose, not "hard". If the rear feels too tight or "hard" as you stated then the car would be bias tward understeer. Come on now, this is really basic tuning stuff. and its too twitchy because of your imputs.

I'm sorry but I would have to disagree with you there. A common way to kerb oversteer is to soften the rear spring rate or rear anti roll bar. This gives you more traction on power down as more weight is transferred over the rear wheels.

The adverse reaction to softening the rear is a decrease in the responsiveness of the handling and is why race cars and sports cars are usually tuned stiffer in the rear.

 

[nobuffalo]

Come on now, this is really basic tuning stuff...

 

[shawtyoner]

Come on now, this is really basic tuning stuff...

Haha, I suck at tuning so I'm not one to talk, but that was funny.. sorry!

 

[GTP_rpm]

I have

Nissan Race Academy '09. 20mins in an auto 370z on Silverstone South Circuit.

 

[TrievelA7X]

If I slam the brakes & turn the wheel, the last thing that's going to happen is the rear coming around....

I'm sorry, is your car a 370Z? Other than that quip, I have to ask if it has anti-lock brakes, (as the 370Z does) and if you've ever actually done it. Because you said "going to happen" instead of "does happen" Or is this a general assumption by you?

I agree, depending on the car/pads/brake bias normally if you slam the brakes the wheels will lock up and it doesn't matter WHICH way the wheel is turned, you're going straight....

Excuse yourself, 99.9% of cars built within the last 15 years have ABS, so NO, the wheels will not just lock up and slide.

You have obviously never driven competitively

Hell of an argument, well done.

But I digress, I've gone down this road before.... What if I post a video of the ultimate understeer machine, a 99 Buick doing it, will you all make "humble pie" threads to macth tokyo's?

 

[TrievelA7X]

I'm sorry but I would have to disagree with you there. A common way to kerb oversteer is to soften the rear spring rate or rear anti roll bar. This gives you more traction on power down as more weight is transferred over the rear wheels.

The adverse reaction to softening the rear is a decrease in the responsiveness of the handling and is why race cars and sports cars are usually tuned stiffer in the rear.

Absolutely.

Are you sure you're not the one who has it backwards? I was always under the impression a stiffer rear will cause more oversteer.

And you were right.

 

[NLxAROSA]

And you were right.

And not just in real life, it works like that in game too. I've tuned enough cars in GT5P to know. If anybody needs more explanation on GT4/5P tuning, check Scaff's excellent tuning guides.

But I'm under the impression that maybe fcautoX is referring to 'loose' as in 'loose backend', not as in 'loose rear springs'? 💡

 

[TokyoDrift]

I have

Nissan Race Academy '09. 20mins in an auto 370z on Silverstone South Circuit.

Cool, so you've spent 20 mins thrashing a 370z around a circuit - you'll be able to tell us how the cars in this time trial compare then, no?

 

[GTP_rpm]

Cool, so you've spent 20 mins thrashing a 370z around a circuit - you'll be able to tell us how the cars in this time trial compare then, no?

There's not enough grip on the N3 tyres. Can't go much further than that, I'm affraid.

 

[Raitziger]

what are N3 tyres anyways? I remeber that most sports cars had sport tyres as default in GT4 and was also in GT5?

 

[KayEnnOhBee]

what are N3 tyres anyways? I remeber that most sports cars had sport tyres as default in GT4 and was also in GT5?

I think normal tyres are almost stock standard for every camry or whatever.
S1's IMO would be on a 370z. Softer compound, still a fair bit of tread
S2's would be your typical R-spec tyre which has less tread than S1
S3's would be a near slick, with little amount of tread. Better compound etc.

R's would be racing slicks of some sort?