[HELP] tuning for Cote d'Azur circuit

[Gianluca]

Hello to everyone! I subscript to gt5 online tournament and about its rules I can choose between some cars:
- Audi TTS Coupe ‘09
- BMW M3 Coupe ‘07
- WW Golf V GTI ‘05
- Mercedes C63 AMG ‘08
- Ferrari California ‘08
- Maserati Granturismo S ‘08
- BMW Concept 1 Series TII ‘07
- Lotus Elise 111 R ‘04
- Jaguar XK Coupe Luxury '07
- Aston Martin DB9 coupe '06
All cars can be modified at maximum but I can't exceed the 595PP.
The circuit where the race will be held next "Cote d'Azur" (23 laps). I know that in the forum I can find many setup but it is hard to find the right setup for the combination car/circuit.
I hope in your help and suggestion.
Thanx to all in advance.

 

[Ealirendur]

I'd pick the car before you start worrying too much about tunes.

You sure you don't mean 545 PP? Most of the field will get murdered by the California at that level, I think, even at Monaco (see Figure 1 . A couple of the other big GTs can get close (the C63 can go higher in PP, but I'm not sure it would ever be quicker, as opposed to faster) 545 would make balancing that field more reasonable.

At 545, Monaco should probably be the Elise's track, with tire wear as a consideration. I'm sure it's not the only track, however, and it may well have trouble passing heavier more powerful traffic (and staying in front, sometimes).

EDITED FOR LOUD WOOSHING SOUND: I should have paid more attention to the other thread(s); you should have probably been able to guess by now. If the Elise 111R RM is allowed here, it will utterly eviscerate the other cars, no question. You would only really need to tune to fix your gearing, and to compete with other Elise RMs.

And you might was well thank shmogt (and Adrenaline?) a few more times

Figure 1:

[B]Car			Max PP	Max BHP	Min Kg	Notes[/B]
Golf V GTI '05		500	357	1112	FF. You're kidding, right? Sure this isn't the pace car?
M3 Coupe '07		564	573	1342	Likely to be damnably effective.
C63 AMG '08		614	870	1403	Conflicting data.  Powerful, heavy.
California '08		607	672	1321	Front Aero 15 FTW
Granturismo S '08	587	682	1337	It is pretty l33t, actually.
Concept 1 Series Tii	556	576	1236	Not completely sure, but see the M3.
Elise 111R '04		554	319	759	David in a field of Goliaths.  Does he have the stones?
Elise 111R '04 RM	589	319	720	David in a field of Goliaths.  But with nuclear stones.
XK Coupe '07		594	678	1370	Least reliable data; cool car.
DB9 Coupe '06		582	645	1387	DBR9.  You know you wanna.
TT-S Coupe '09		545	461	1173	Only 4WD here.

 

[Gianluca]

I'd pick the car before you start worrying too much about tunes.

You sure you don't mean 545 PP? Most of the field will get murdered by the California at that level, I think, even at Monaco (see Figure 1 . A couple of the other big GTs can get close (the C63 can go higher in PP, but I'm not sure it would ever be quicker, as opposed to faster) 545 would make balancing that field more reasonable.

At 545, Monaco should probably be the Elise's track, with tire wear as a consideration. I'm sure it's not the only track, however, and it may well have trouble passing heavier more powerful traffic (and staying in front, sometimes).

EDITED FOR LOUD WOOSHING SOUND: I should have paid more attention to the other thread(s); you should have probably been able to guess by now. If the Elise 111R RM is allowed here, it will utterly eviscerate the other cars, no question. You would only really need to tune to fix your gearing, and to compete with other Elise RMs.

And you might was well thank shmogt (and Adrenaline?) a few more times

Figure 1:

[B]Car			Max PP	Max BHP	Min Kg	Notes[/B]
Golf V GTI '05		500	357	1112	FF. You're kidding, right? Sure this isn't the pace car?
M3 Coupe '07		564	573	1342	Likely to be damnably effective.
C63 AMG '08		614	870	1403	Conflicting data.  Powerful, heavy.
California '08		607	672	1321	Front Aero 15 FTW
Granturismo S '08	587	682	1337	It is pretty l33t, actually.
Concept 1 Series Tii	556	576	1236	Not completely sure, but see the M3.
Elise 111R '04		554	319	759	David in a field of Goliaths.  Does he have the stones?
Elise 111R '04 RM	589	319	720	David in a field of Goliaths.  But with nuclear stones.
XK Coupe '07		594	678	1370	Least reliable data; cool car.
DB9 Coupe '06		582	645	1387	DBR9.  You know you wanna.
TT-S Coupe '09		545	461	1173	Only 4WD here.

I'm sure, I can reach 595 PP, not more. I also think that the elise RM is the best car for this circuit but I need your help for a best tuning. I'll thank Shmogt and all other people who want to give me help with this tuning....including yourself

 

[Ealirendur]

I'm neither a capable tuner, nor fast, but if I'm all you've got... The tune shmogt gave you for SSR5, assuming it suited you, should serve you well, and there are several other good tunes for that car.

Is there live qualifying? Standing or rolling start (formation lap)? (affects 1st gear)

I'd personally say you'd want a fairly neutral tune (stable rather than edgy), since most passing happens there through mistakes and pressure.

Gearing is critical. Exits through the final kink, turn 1, and the U leading into the tunnel, should be considered vital. Also, not upsetting the car unduly either along the ridge after the uphill straight (because it's just before the downhill, and you might actually be able to pass someone going down there if they're pressured into a compromised exit) and during the technical section around Piscine is pretty important. All IMHO, of course.

 

[Gianluca]

There are 15 minutes for qualifying then we start from the grid. I try to use the setup for SSR5 but the car is nervous under acceleration (oversteer), I also need to shorten the gears. Your suggestions are very useful from a technical point of view and I agree with you about the the importance the U leading into the tunnel and the technical section around Piscine. Maybe some tuners can help me with a right setup.

 

[Ealirendur]

There are 15 minutes for qualifying then we start from the grid. I try to use the setup for SSR5 but the car is nervous under acceleration (oversteer), I also need to shorten the gears. Your suggestions are very useful from a technical point of view and I agree with you about the the importance the U leading into the tunnel and the technical section around Piscine. Maybe some tuners can help me with a right setup.

Raise the final gear ratio until you're nearly at the limiter on the fastest section; you won't need too much overhead for draft on that track. Since you're going from a standing start, the ratio for 1st shouldn't be so long you bog down (since passing/repassing is hard later).

I also meant that the gears could probably be used to help optimize those sections (picking the ratios so that you shift/don't shift as you need)

You can probably settle the car a lot with the LSD. Shmogt has used fairly extreme settings; I presume for SSR5 (the turn 1 complex and the final turn spring to mind), but I'm obviously not privy to his reasoning.

He's also using a DS3, whereas you may not be. You could try dropping the Accel and Braking values down to 18/10-15, or in that region.

 

[shmogt]

I'm thinking the elise rm again. Try same tune. If you have oversteer it means you are driving to aggressive. EASE on the gas coming out of corners and when you are straight is when you hit it full. Really high LSD will make you way faster than everyone else as the speed will climb much faster on the straights, but you just can't be as aggressive exiting the corners.

 

[Gianluca]

Shmogt we need to modify the gear ratio. Max speed is too much.

 

[shmogt]

k

 

[Ealirendur]

Tune awesome. Driving it wrong.

Strong LSD reasoning!

Figured; but for Côte (y'know, nearly all corners)?

You know what they say. Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night. Light a man on fire.... I keed, I keed.

Ooh, tire fire

Good luck!

 

[Gianluca]

Figured; but for Côte (y'know, nearly all corners)?

You know what they say. Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a night. Light a man on fire.... I keed, I keed.

Ooh, tire fire

Good luck!

???

 

[Ealirendur]

Language barrier; pardon the ill-conceived humour, I should know better.

I took his LSD setting reasoning on board, but joked you might, as a result, be burning the tires coming out of the many closely-spaced corners at Monaco. I at the same time hinted, again light-heartedly, that you could probably stand to be a bit more self-reliant soon (I did actually point out how to adjust the max speed, after all). I'll shut up now.

 

[Gianluca]

Language barrier; pardon the ill-conceived humour, I should know better.

I took his LSD setting reasoning on board, but joked you might, as a result, be burning the tires coming out of the many closely-spaced corners at Monaco. I at the same time hinted, again light-heartedly, that you could probably stand to be a bit more self-reliant soon (I did actually point out how to adjust the max speed, after all). I'll shut up now.

No matter you are shut up, give me some numbers

 

[Gianluca]

k

You have decided to abandon me that right now there are only 2 races at the end of the tournament?
With the same setup of SST5 (with gear ratio max speed 220km/h) my best lap is 1.34.1. Best lap of other competitors with new setup is 1.31.xx. I don't think that all of this gap depends only to my "foot"!

 

[shmogt]

Car: Lotus Elise 111R RM 2004
Drivetrain: FR
Horsepower: 316HP/xx00rpm
Torque: xx ft-lb/xx00rpm
Weight: 720 kg
Miles: xx
Performance Points: 576

PARTS:
All performance parts, no chassis rigidity. Racing soft tires

SETUP:

Body/Chassis
Aerodynamics
Downforce: 20/50
Weight Balance: 0/0

Transmission
1st: 3.657
2nd: 2.319
3rd: 1.725
4th: 1.374
5th: 1.134
6th: 0.961
Final: 4.680
Top Speed: 162

Limited Slip Differential
Initial: xx/13
Accel: xx/41
Braking: xx/47

Suspension
Ride Height: -20/-13
Spring Rate: 10.8/12.0
Extension: 5/7
Compression: 4/6
Anti-Roll: 4/6
Camber: 2.3/1.6
Toe: -0.05/0.10

Brakes
Brake Balance: 7/5

TUNER COMMENTS:

This car is for Cote d'Azur circuit. Very easy to drive and super fast. You will win again.

 

[Gianluca]

Shmogt but the max speed is too much...what do you think? max speed under tunnel is 220kmh!

 

[shmogt]

Shmogt but the max speed is too much...what do you think? max speed under tunnel is 220kmh!

I edited it a lot to make it lower. Is your times better? You don't want to redline if it's too low. You have to remember in a race you can draft people and will need a little extra to do this.

 

[Gianluca]

Hi Shmogt, my position at the end of the race was 4°. I was the only one to do the pit and I have lost n.2 position (I was in 2nd position before pit)....patience! Now I need your last effort for last race at NURBURGRING 24H (7 laps) with variable weather. It is very difficult....maybe a little 'less with your help

 

[shmogt]

What car won? I told you to go lightly on the gas coming out of corners that way the tires don't go red and you wouldn't need to pit.

I think try out the old Mercedes tune. Sarthe is pretty much same track only different corners. Remember to go very slow coming out of corners.

 

[Gianluca]

Elise....but I was wrong race strategy, I was convinced that everyone would stop but nothing to do. About next race, you think that I can race with mercedes and same tunes of la sarthe?

 

[shmogt]

Elise....but I was wrong race strategy, I was convinced that everyone would stop but nothing to do. About next race, you think that I can race with mercedes and same tunes of la sarthe?

I say try it first because it's same style track and size