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This article was published by Andrew Evans (@Famine) on October 26th, 2020 in the Car Culture category.
The race didn’t quite go to the same plan, as the 806 experienced brake problems (go on, act shocked) and then engine failure.
The way it just muscles the BMW out of the way into Eau Rouge
Peugeot chose, for reasons still best known only to Peugeot, the 806 people carrier as the basis for a race car.
There’s no price available, so you’ll just have to make your own queries if you fancy picking up the one racing MPV that actually raced.
After all, it once entered a pickup truck in Group B rally, so why not?
Yes, I could definitely have speculated those things in the article too. But I didn't - the reasons are still, as I said, best known to Peugeot (after all, who would know better?).As far as I'm aware, the project was initiated by the marketing team, not only to make a splash (which people still remember 25 years later), but also to show how well the 806 drove and handled compared to the rather stodgy image of most MPVs at the time.
Pikes Peak is a time trial, not a race. Zafira and Venga are in different classes of car-based MPVs (Astra and i20/Soul respectively) rather than minivans.There are plenty of other MPVs that have raced - multiple generations of Opel Zafira have competed in the VLN and/or the Nurburgring 24 Hours, Honda ran an Odyssey up Pikes Peak, and, while much smaller, the Kia Venga is a popular entry in the Green Hybrid Cup. The 806 is the most famous, but it's far from the only one that has been raced.
Yes, I know.This one has a lot of caveats - the 504 was already homologated and rallying in Group 4 long before Group B was a thing, and the pickup would normally have been grandfathered into Group A but was instead pushed into Group B as it didn't meet the cabin space rules for Gr.A. Peugeot also entered it specifically into the notably gruelling Safari Rally, which the 504 had already won outright twice under Gr.4 regulations, primarily to promote how tough the 504 pickup was to its most important market, Africa. It's not as absurd as it sounds, especially as they managed to finish 5th in class and 8th overall, just ahead of a Nissan pickup.
There are plenty of other MPVs that have raced - multiple generations of Opel Zafira have competed in the VLN and/or the Nurburgring 24 Hours,
Yes, I could definitely have speculated those things in the article too. But I didn't - the reasons are still, as I said, best known to Peugeot (after all, who would know better?).
Pikes Peak is a time trial, not a race. Zafira and Venga are in different classes of car-based MPVs (Astra and i20/Soul respectively) rather than minivans.
People have raced minivans/MPVs in Le Mons, and in drag racing, and I'm pretty sure I've seen an Odyssey in some domestic US series too.
Yes, I know.
It's a time trial - specifically a Hill Climb. The competitors are against the clock and place on a timed leaderboard, not against other cars on a position leaderboard.Ignoring the fact that, yes, Pikes Peak very much is a race
the exact same Odyssey pez is referring to has taken part in races with other cars, too
I'm pretty sure I've seen an Odyssey in some domestic US series too.
A race is a race, isn't it? Its own organisers refer to it as a race all over their site: https://ppihc.org/about-competitors/It's a time trial - specifically a Hill Climb. The competitors are against the clock and place on a timed leaderboard, not against other cars on a position leaderboard.
No.A race is a race, isn't it?
And also as a timed hill climb, which is what it is. It is against a clock, not against other cars.Its own organisers refer to it as a race all over their site: https://ppihc.org/about-competitors/
Semantics are important; it's literally the meaning of words. How one uses words is... the basis of communication. I mean, this has arisen because someone read "the one" as "the only"...I'm not sure why it's such a semantical issue though. Either way the observations pez made were right.
And also as a timed hill climb, which is what it is. It is against a clock, not against other cars.
I have, it's a nickname for a famous timed hill climb event.Which makes it a race against the clock... moreover, ever heard about the "Race to the Clouds"?
No, it did demonstration runs only - at F1 events to my recollection.Here’s a question, did the Renault Espace F1 ever race competitively?
I’m assuming no but in a parallel universe somewhere maybe it did?
Semantics are important; it's literally the meaning of words. How one uses words is... the basis of communication. I mean, this has arisen because someone read "the one" as "the only"...
Not at all. As I commented earlier, we'll happily take corrections on articles - but none are warranted here. Of your three "nitpicks" one was information I chose not to speculate on, and one was information I chose not to include (as it wasn't about that car). Had you said "Here's some extra info", I'd probably not have responded.I wasn't going to respond to this thread again as clearly my comments were very unwelcome
That's certainly the one interpretation that you could make. It's not the only interpretation that you could make.Describing something as 'the one X that Y' is very much saying that there are no others that satisfy that criteria, that's the purpose of the word 'the' in that phrase. If the sentence had simply read 'one X that Y', then that's a different meaning.
I just love when they use an odd choice as a race car.
Everyone can make a GT-R, M3, those kinds of cars into race cars.
It takes some skills turning a minivan into a race car.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-i-cant-believe-they-raced-it-thread.289374/What's next, Renault Magnums as rally cars?