Historic and Important cars that deserve Premium models.

[LeadFootLiam]

The original Austin Mini Cooper, because it was amazing in Rally, and Mr Bean had it.

 

[ZohsixGT5]

Herbie aka "ocho".

 

[KM964]

I thought of a few more cars that should be added here.

Alfa Romeo 158 Alfetta '50 - this car dominated the very first Formula One season, and was driven by Juan Manuel Fangio.

Volvo S60 Polestar Concept '12 - Volvo's first attempt at a high performance car, boasting over 500 horses.

McLaren MP4/4 '88 - what Ayrton Senna drove to his first championship. The car also dominated the 1988 season.

Trabant 601 '63 - just like what the Beetle was to West Germany, the Trabant was to East Germany.

Ferrari 250 California Spider '58 - Bueller...Bueller...

DeLorean DMC12 '81 - most people associate this with Back to the Future. Even though it's in the game already, it deserves a premium upgrade.

Benz Patent Motorwagen '86 - the worlds first car.

Willys MB '41 - the iconic WWII Jeep. This would go great with the VW Kubelwagen in the game.

Lamborghini Miura SV '71 - the most famous version of Lamborghini's first sports car.

Benetton B194 '94 - what Michael Schumacher drove to his first championship.

 

[christara321]

Here is one car I wouldn,t mind seeing especially in an historic rally event.
Its just such an iconic car from the UK and other regions back from the late 60s?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ford_Escort_RS1600_-_Race_Retro_2008_03.jpg
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Clark&prev=/search%3Fq%3DRoger%2BClark%2527s%2B1972%2BRAC%2BRally%2B-winning%2BFord%2BEscort%26biw%3D1264%26bih%3D656
Sorry if its ben mentioned already but I couldn,t see anything on it.
Chat soon bye for now.

 

[Prototyp3]

In respect of the edited OP, here's my choices with added reasons.



I'm also adding...

Golf G60 Limited - Only 71 ever produced. 16v G60 supercharged engine. I want one for real but, they now cost £20,000+.

Golf Rallye - Box arched 4WD supercharged golf. Built as a homologation special. 5000 produced.

I <3 VAG.

hey man, just wanted to say thank you for giving more detail on your choices. Good stuff.

I thought of a few more cars that should be added here.

Alfa Romeo 158 Alfetta '50 - this car dominated the very first Formula One season, and was driven by Juan Manuel Fangio.

Volvo S60 Polestar Concept '12 - Volvo's first attempt at a high performance car, boasting over 500 horses.

McLaren MP4/4 '88 - what Ayrton Senna drove to his first championship. The car also dominated the 1988 season.

Trabant 601 '63 - just like what the Beetle was to West Germany, the Trabant was to East Germany.

Ferrari 250 California Spider '58 - Bueller...Bueller...

DeLorean DMC12 '81 - most people associate this with Back to the Future. Even though it's in the game already, it deserves a premium upgrade.

Benz Patent Motorwagen '86 - the worlds first car.

Willys MB '41 - the iconic WWII Jeep. This would go great with the VW Kubelwagen in the game.

Lamborghini Miura SV '71 - the most famous version of Lamborghini's first sports car.

Benetton B194 '94 - what Michael Schumacher drove to his first championship.

Miura should definitely get the premium treatment. This car set the stage for exotics, did it not?

Other in bold are great choices as well. I don't like the DeLorean much, but there is no denying it's status in American Culture. Everyone knows that car.

 

[Grand Prix]

One thing is for sure: as soon as they put this car in the game, people would try to recreate the accident and post it on youtube...

People could do that now with the stock 300 SL. I don't think they do though. If anything, I would feel more "guilty" of driving a Jaguar D-Type if I cared about the accident that much. Mercedes-Benz pulled out of racing for almost half a century and Jaguar didn't give two craps about it, running the race until the end.

I tend to associate the 300 SLR with the Mille Miglia and Carrera Panamericana more. It would be a shame if the 300 SLR and D-Type aren't being included in GT games solely because of Le Mans 1955. There are quite a few notorious cars in GT already, the Lancia Delta S4 for one example.


I would love to see these included:

Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa, 3 times Le Mans winner, 3 litre V12 with FR layout. You know you want to drive it.

Ferrari 250 GTO, because, well, just look at it.

( )

Bugatti Type 35, one of the most successful racing cars of all time. Was entered in almost everything, with numerous victories. Won the Targa Florio for 5 years in a row from 1925 to 1929.

And with Porsche license (not likely), Porsche 550 Spyder, which won the 1956 Targa Florio, is arguably the car that really put Porsche on the map. Their participation in the Carrera Panamericana with this car also served as a source of inspiration for the name of one of their most iconic models.

 

[KM964]

Miura should definitely get the premium treatment. This car set the stage for exotics, did it not?

Well, the Miura is already in the game as a premium...but it's a Bertone prototype that costs 20 million. If they put an SV in there, it wouldn't drain all of our money.


EDIT - Thought of even more...

Chevrolet Bel Air '57 - arguably America's most beloved classic car.

Ford Mustang Fastback '68 - Bullitt. Enough said.

Porsche 959 '86 - When released, it was the world's fastest road-going car. Many people said it was the most technologically advanced road-going sports car ever built, and was the forerunner for future sports cars. Also, it was one of the first high performance vehicles with AWD.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

People could do that now with the stock 300 SL. I don't think they do though. If anything, I would feel more "guilty" of driving a Jaguar D-Type if I cared about the accident that much. Mercedes-Benz pulled out of racing for almost half a century and Jaguar didn't give two craps about it, running the race until the end.

True. Hawthorn even celebrated the victory in such way that the french got very, very piss with him and Jaguar.

Now about that disaster, what would be morbid is get this particular car in the game:

Austin-Healey racing car at centre of 1955 Le Mans disaster that killed 84 is set to sell for £1m

 

[pooioo]

Talbot-Lago T26 GS Le Mans as in my avatar :

or her F1 sister :

And I totally agree with Grand Prix

 

[JACK_GTR]

Ford escort cosworth turbo 👍

 

[funnyguy344]

Honda Odyssey.
Chevy corvette 54.

 

[Aero2000]

Hudson Hornet dominated stock car racing in the early-1950s, when stock car racers actually raced stock cars. Hornet won NASCAR's grand national series cup in 1951, 1952 and 1953. That's NASCAR history!

But I wish for the 52's roadgoing version

 

[Spacegoat]

Mercedes 190e DTM. More specifically this one.

 

[f40]

They have Ferrari F1 cars, so I'd like to see the F2001, the last Ferrari to win at Monaco:

Also Jim Clark's Lotus 38:

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

They have Ferrari F1 cars, so I'd like to see the F2001, the last Ferrari to win at Monaco:

I'd add the F2004 to that list too. It practically wiped the floor with everything.

 

[kjb]

I would like to see the Speed 12 get premium treatment here's a little history courtesy of wikipedia:

Project 7/12 concept

The vehicle, known as the TVR Project 7/12, first appeared at the 1996 Birmingham Motorshow and dominated the show once it was unveiled, attracting more crowds than any other cars in the show. The number "7" referred to the seven litre engine (though it was actually 7.7 litres), and "12" for the number of cylinders in the engine. TVR said it would have over 800 bhp (600 kW) and be faster than the McLaren F1. The first concepts shown were based on in-development FIA GT1 class race car that was current at that time. It would be restricted to a more modest 660 bhp (490 kW) but the weight would be kept at roughly 1000 kilograms. The road car would weigh the same but without the restrictors, the power was greatly increased, TVR officially said it had 800 bhp (600 kW) but the real figure was never properly recorded. It had a specially built 6-speed manual transmission and clutch. The engine was essentially two TVR AJP6 straight-6 engines mated on a single crankshaft. Unusually for an automobile of its type, the Speed Twelve's engine block was not constructed of cast iron or aluminium alloy, but rather of steel.

Speed 12

By 1998 the car had been renamed the TVR Speed 12 and their GT1 racer was almost ready to go. TVR wanted to race at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, but that never happened. However, the Speed 12 GTS did manage to compete in a few races in the FIA GT Championship in the GT1 class, though sudden rule changes caused by advanced high-cost purpose built racers such as Porsche 911 GT1, Nissan R390 and Toyota GT-One and the subsequent demise of the class in other championships suddenly rendered the Speed 12 obsolete. In order that their work not go to waste, TVR immediately set about creating the road-going Speed 12, although the project would not be completed for another year.

Design-complete in 2000, the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, like its predecessor, never had a true measurement of engine power output officially taken, although the original engine (which produced 800 bhp) was employed yet again. The weight was kept down to 1000 kilograms and TVR reminded people that they were making a car that they thought would beat the McLaren F1 with the words "over 240 miles per hour" mentioned on several occasions. The new car would also be built in parallel with a new race car, although TVR were forced to opt for GT2 class as the GT1 class had been dropped some years previous. The new race car managed to run for a few seasons in the British GT Championship and had some success, winning several races. It did however have problems with reliability, often leading to the car retiring from races. Meanwhile, the road car was almost ready and TVR had taken a good number of orders and deposits for it. With a price of £188,000 it would be the most expensive TVR in history.

The racing version of the engine produced approximately 675 bhp (503 kW) with its power limited by the intake restrictors required by racing regulations. For the road-version of the engine, the restrictors were not needed so the engine was developed without them.

In an interview then-owner Peter Wheeler, said that TVR had tried to record the car's power on an engine dyno. The dyno was rated at 1,000 bhp (750 kW) but the test resulted in its input shaft being broken. To get an approximate figure TVR engineers tested each bank individually; the result was 480 bhp (360 kW) per bank, suggesting a total rating of 960 bhp (720 kW). Wheeler, no newcomer to high performance cars and an experienced racer in the TVR Tuscan Challenge, drove one of the finished prototypes home and concluded that the car was unusable on the road, in his opinion simply too powerful.

The deposits were returned when the production plans were cancelled. The remaining prototypes were carted around to various car shows and one by one they were dismantled and used as spares for the Speed 12 race cars still competing in the British GT championship. The life of the Speed 12 was however, not yet over. In August 2003 TVR placed an advert in Auto Trader for a TVR Cerbera Speed 12 registered W112 BHG. What TVR planned to do was to rebuild one of the prototypes and sell it on to an enthusiast. Buying the car was not a simple process however, and involved being personally met and vetted by Peter Wheeler himself to make sure the buyer was a suitable candidate for purchasing the car. Eventually, the deal was completed and the Speed 12 was rebuilt and handed over to its new owner. Since the original bodywork had been destroyed, TVR had to use a remaining shell from one of the GT racers, which proved a positive point as with the increased downforce the car would be even faster round a track than before.[citation needed] On top of that TVR did some more work on the engine and the ECU. The car featured in the May 2005 edition of Evo Magazine in which it was described as "awesome" and "terrifyingly quick"

 

[05XR8]

really? I didn't know this. Can you explain/go into more detail?.

Hers an interview with Gordon Murray on his thoughts of his personal car. The Honda NSX.

To this day, the NSX is still a car that is near and dear to my heart. I put 75,000 Km on my NSX over the course of six or seven years.

It's very difficult to discuss the NSX using current values and sensibilities. When the NSX debuted, the word "supercar" was still a relatively new idea in Europe. There are some who would say the Lamborghini Miura from the late 1960s was the first supercar. However, the truth is the explosion of modern supercars really started at the end of the 1980s.

At the end of the 80s was the time when McLaren Cars was conceiving the idea for the McLaren F1. To that end, I was concentrating on coming up with what I wanted in a road car.

To my thinking, the ideal car is one in which I could get in the driver's seat and be out for a drive in downtown London, and then want to continue straight on to southern France. A car that you can trust, with functional air conditioning, and retains daily drivability. No offset pedals allowed. No high dashboards restricting your view either. Having a low roof hitting your head every time you go over a bump in the name of aerodynamics and styling is out of the question. It is essential that a supercar be a pleasure to drive, and anything detracting from that must be excised.

I started by driving the cars known then as "supercars." The Porsche 959, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40, Jaguar XJ220. Unfortunately, none of these fit the pattern of the supercar we were trying to build. What we wanted was a relatively compact, usable driver's car. The Porsche 911 had the usability, but with the engine packed in the back, it had a weakness in its handling stability.

During this time, we were able to visit with Ayrton Senna (the late F1 Champion) and Honda's Tochigi Research Center. The visit related to the fact that at the time, McLaren's F1 Grand Prix cars were using Honda engines.

Coincidentally, I spotted an NSX prototype parked near the course. I also learned at the time that Ayrton was assisting in the development of the NSX. And that Honda rear mid-engined sports car--the NSX--was the friendly supercar that we had been looking for. This car had perfectly functional air conditioning, a reasonably roomy trunk, and of course, it was a Honda, with the high levels of quality and reliability that implies.

Then I had the opportunity to drive it. Along with Ron Dennis (President, McLaren Cars) and Mansour Ojjeh (Tag McLaren Group Representative), we drove the prototype on the Tochigi Research Center test course. I remember being moved, thinking, "It is remarkable how our vision comes through in this car."

Of course as you know, the engine has only six cylinders; however, the NSX's very rigid chassis is excellent and would easily be capable of handling more power. Although it's true I had thought it would have been better to put a larger engine, the moment I drove the "little" NSX, all the benchmark cars--Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini--I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target.

When working on the development of a new car for years, it's easy to be caught in certain pitfalls. When you drive the car under development for testing every day (in truth, I was responsible for two-thirds of the testing for the McLaren F1), in that time, you can unknowingly convince yourself you are making progress when in fact you are not. For example, it's human nature that at the end of a long day you may want to think that your efforts to reduce low speed harshness are working better than they are. It is at times like this when you need a car to compare with. In those situations, the NSX time and again showed us the path in the areas of ride quality and handling, and also helped us recognize when we weren't making as much progress as we thought.

In my opinion, the NSX's most special quality has long been overlooked.

That could be summarized with the words, "The NSX's suspension is amazing."

Both the body and suspension are aluminum, and it probably couldn't be helped that journalists' attention has been focused on praising the aluminum body. However, the suspension is the much more impressive use of aluminum.

It's lightweight, tough, yet compliant. Also contributing to the refined NSX's handling and ride quality are 17 inch wheels and tires that are not overly large. The NSX's suspension is truly an ingenious system, and back then I imagined the development costs must have been enormous. To achieve that unparalleled accuracy and superior ride quality, longitudinal wheel movement is allowed via the use of a compliance pivot. (?)

(?) Compliance refers to when you travel over a bump, the tire experiences a longitudinal force, which the tire and suspension must move with and absorb the shock. The pivot couples the upper and lower arms. It is connected to the arms via ball joints so that they move as a unit. When encountering input, the pivot rotates, keeping alignment changes to near zero while retaining compliance (see diagram). The inspiration obtained from this NSX suspension system would later influence the development of the McLaren F1's suspension.

The NSX was also the first car to use DBW (Drive By Wire). It felt very pleasing. DBW is when instead of using a mechanical cable, an electronic signal is used to communicate throttle position. It achieved a very natural, linear feeling throttle, and I can now hide my embarrassment and confess that I copied the idea during the development of the McLaren F1 (laughs).

The low-slung NSX's driver's seat position also provided just the right head clearance and an amazing field of view. The NSX development team moved the air conditioning unit away from the dash and deep into the NSX's nose in order to obtain more space. That air conditioning unit is an excellent one, and normally, you don't notice whether it's on or not.

On the day I bought the NSX, I pressed the "Auto" button and since then until selling it, I never had to touch it. It was that perfect. Ah, I also remember the audio system as being very good.

However, the media wrote up the aluminum body, and the many merits and advantages I perceived in the NSX have largely been overlooked.

In my opinion, the NSX, while being such a great sports car, had two large flaws in it's marketing. First, at the time, the public was not ready to accept a Japanese car that was this expensive. The second is that for supercar customers, the power figures were not quite high enough. Of course, the prototype's engine was not bad, and soon the VTEC engine was added. Whenever I hear that VTEC sound it's amazing. I am repeating myself, but the NSX's excellent chassis would have been capable of handling much more power.

With just a slightly lower price, or possibly selling it with a different brand name and a different badge, or perhaps endowing it with a touch flashier and more aggressive styling and additional power, there is no question the NSX would have reigned as a cult star of the supercars.

However, during that time, in Honda's philosophy there was a resistance to large engines with many cylinders. I am not certain, but probably at the time, the voluntary restraint on power limits was a factor. Being a fan of Honda engines, I later went to Honda's Tochigi Research Center on two occasions and requested that they consider building for the McLaren F1 a 4.5 liter V10 or V12. I asked, I tried to persuade them, but in the end could not convince them to do it, and the McLaren F1 ended up equipped with a BMW engine.

The NSX's development costs must have been enormous. Everything on it is unique. The chassis, powertrain, even the air conditioning are peerless. That aluminum body was very expensive. The numerous hurdles overcome by the NSX to reach production in areas such as spot welding, corrosion, and repairability make it a monumental work in automotive history. The philosophy of creating a car for human beings is apparent throughout. If it were me, I probably would not have obsessed over the aluminum and would have settled for a steel structure with aluminum panels to try to achieve a similar weight reduction. But what I really want to emphasize is the suspension. It is a a groundbreaking use of aluminum.

There are a few things that could be improved on the NSX. First, the tires are too soft. Over the seven years I ran mine, I went through 14 sets of tires. After changing over to harder-compound Michelins in the rear, my tire life increased. As a result, rear grip was decreased slightly, but driving became more fun. The NSX's traction control and ABS are first generation systems and as a result are somewhat slow-acting. I also missed having more storage space in the interior. However, such things hardly seem significant in a sports car of this caliber.

The NSX is a landmark car. It awoke not only a lazy Ferrari, but Porsche as well and sparked advances in usability, ergonomics, and handling. It may not have achieved success from a marketing standpoint, but many influential and important people have owned them. The NSX is also unusual in that it continued to be on sale for so long. If I were to looking for that type of car now, I would--without a doubt--gladly own an NSX

 

[Nurburgthing.]

I would like to see the Speed 12 get premium treatment here's a little history courtesy of wikipedia:

Project 7/12 concept

*snip*

Good write up there.

Am I dreaming or, did Martin Brundle take one of these for a spin and, erm, made it spin because it was so twitchy?

I seem to remember the car being white. Cannot find the video on youtube though .

 

[kjb]

It is. They had a nice write up about it in Evo a year or two ago. The Speed 12 has been my favorite car since GT2

 

[Duphman]

I may be a bit foggy on this, but I do recall Yamauchi mentioning choosing between adding a car that appeared in one of the DLC packs or a Ferrari 365 GTB/4 racing car. Does anyone happen to remember what interview that appeared in?

Never mind, it was a tweet
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[KM964]

I may be a bit foggy on this, but I do recall Yamauchi mentioning choosing between adding a car that appeared in one of the DLC packs or a Ferrari 365 GTB/4 racing car. Does anyone happen to remember what interview that appeared in?

Never mind, it was a tweet
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Here's a rough translation for those wondering.

Design of the Ferrari 365GTB / 4 Daytona, seems to have done all in only 10 weeks. It 's nest in great. Did you come @ 440mashiro @ Kaz_Yamauchi Fiori La Van tea: RT @ stratosbaka. . .

 

[Prototyp3]

Hers an interview with Gordon Murray on his thoughts of his personal car. The Honda NSX.

Great read man, 10/10. Thanks

 

[05XR8]

Mercedes 190e DTM. More specifically this one.

Definitely this. MB AMG won 16 races that season(1992). Still can't figure out for the life of me why there isn't an E30 DTM. even if it isn't a works car, there are plenty out there for PD to copy for the game.

 

[KM964]

Mercedes 190e DTM. More specifically this one.

Already in the game, but it deserves a premium upgrade.

 

[05XR8]

I'd also say the first cars to appear in the GT1 intro should be premium.

R33 GT-R LM Street version
Supra RZ
MITSUBISHI GTO TWIN TURBO '95
Subaru Impreza '96 WRX Wagon STI ver.III
'93 HONDA NSX
'83 Toyota Corolla Levin
'90 Nissan Primera

 

[leeson]

1973 Lancia Stratos. This has been one of my favorite cars in the GT series and it looks like we'll have a premium version for GT6.
My prayers are answered! I just hope it has a good engine sound.

 

[05XR8]

'90 ZR1 the engine upgrade nearly doubled the price of the car
'90 Lotus Carlton was the fastest saloon of it's day and had almost as much torque as a Diablo
Sprinter Trueno GT-APEX(S.Shigeno Ver.) INITIAL-D!

 

[GTV0819]

PAJERO Evolution Rally Raid Car '03

This rig deserves a premium upgrade.

 

[Snorevette]

The Veyron DEFINITELY needs a premium upgrade no matter how much I detest it.
A lot of the older rally vehicles need to be premium as well - the Stratos and Impreza are almost a must by this point. Also give some DTM vehicles a premium makeover.
Also, a premium Honda Beat would round out the whole ABC+C Kei Cars loadout, which would be nice.
Also, 2 new premium Evos - we need a premium I, II or III, and we also need a premium VII or VIII.
Also, premium Subaru 22B.
Also, premium Corvette C2 Stingray.

 

[finnracer]

The Veyron DEFINITELY needs a premium upgrade no matter how much I detest it.
A lot of the older rally vehicles need to be premium as well - the Stratos and Impreza are almost a must by this point. Also give some DTM vehicles a premium makeover.
Also, a premium Honda Beat would round out the whole ABC+C Kei Cars loadout, which would be nice.
Also, 2 new premium Evos - we need a premium I, II or III, and we also need a premium VII or VIII.
Also, premium Subaru 22B.
Also, premium Corvette C2 Stingray.

The C2 stingray will be premium, see the Gamescom trailer. 👍