HOA Parking Restrictions on Kids Classic

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McLaren
Noted, then.

Doesn't change the fact he agreed to the rules when he moved on, & has been given 2 chances at changing the ruling from other neighbors. You keep ignoring this. The HoA doesn't need an explicit reason why they don't want trucks on the driveways over night, though I'm sure they have one.
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I'm well aware at his chances and the fact that he is trying to change things.
 
Discovering the existence of HOAs is one of those internet rites of passage, presuming you've never lived in one. This is kind of like watching someone flip out over a shock site/video.

Enter the rabbit hole at your own peril, @Slash, but you'll see why Tornado said this particular HOA sounds super friendly.
 
Dhalism
You pay a 15 dollar fee to fine in a new york to file small claims and 300 to file if a federal rule is violated. Your case goes before the judge regardless of how ludicrous it is. You have to find a law that resembles your problem even if slightly and then that gives the judge excuse to execute his common sense under the thinly veiled guise of law.
For example in this case I could argue for example that if disabled people are allowed to have special access trucks in their driveway than it's a discrimination against able bodied. And if they don't allow that for disabled, well then theyre even more screwed.
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It would be for the same reason disabled people are given special parking access, then. You'd have to prove why you & everyone else deserves that same benefit.

As for the fees you have to pay, I think then you'd be spending $15 just to have a judge throw out your case regarding the issue in this thread.
Slash
I'm well aware at his chances and the fact that he is trying to change things.
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Then you don't have an argument anymore. He agreed to a contract, he broke the contract agreement. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, he didn't fulfill his side of the agreement. The HoA cut him slack which is more than what most would do, & he still couldn't do it. His options are sell the truck, move, or work 2 jobs to pay a $9,000/year fine.
 
Dhalism
For example in this case I could argue for example that if disabled people are allowed to have special access trucks in their driveway than it's a discrimination against able bodied.
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It would probably help if that was a thing relatable to this case a judge wouldn't laugh at you for arguing; else I would get right on board with suing Wal-Mart so I wouldn't have to walk an extra 30 feet.


Wolfe
Discovering the existence of HOAs is one of those internet rites of passage, presuming you've never lived in one. This is kind of like watching someone flip out over a shock site/video.

Enter the rabbit hole at your own peril, @Slash, but you'll see why Tornado said this particular HOA sounds super friendly.
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I recall there was actually a "truck in driveway overnight" HoA story in this forum a few years ago, though in that one the people bought a truck so stupidly large that it blocked the sidewalk. Can't find it, though.
 
Slash
@McLaren

I know this. My gripe is the rule that's in place is bogus.
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If I signed a lease on a car & drove it past the agreed amount of miles, and received a charge for doing so, I can not argue, "It's my car, I should be able drive it as much as I want". It's not my car, & I agreed to a contract just as this is not the kid's home, & he agreed to a contract when he moved in.

It doesn't matter if you don't like the rule, his parents signed a document acknowledging that rule.
 
Slash
Work equipment is part of society. Get over it.
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You're completely missing the point here. You're being blinded by your emotional connection to trucks and how much you like them. The reality is that they project a certain image (your V8 with open headers sig comes to mind) that the HOA doesn't want in their neighbourhood because they believe it will lower the value of their homes. You either have to draw a line or constantly be fighting small battles.

I'm not saying I agree with the rules or support the HOA (or HOA's in general) but they signed the contract and it is what it is. Even if they didn't have a "good reason" for it, they are within their rights to put the rule in a contract. If you don't like the terms of a contract you don't sign it, end of.

Just because you don't see a problem with trucks in the driveway all night and work trucks doesn't mean that this HOA should have to change their rules.
 
McLaren
If I signed a lease on a car & drove it past the agreed amount of miles, and received a charge for doing so, I can not argue, "It's my car, I should be able drive it as much as I want". It's not my car, & I agreed to a contract just as this is not the kid's home, & he agreed to a contract when he moved in.

It doesn't matter if you don't like the rule, his parents signed a document acknowledging that rule.
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Then the kid should have even made aware especially if the parents knew the whole time.
 
The image thing is straight up BS. Simply by discriminating against pickup trucks because "they don't fit the image we're after" (as if pickup trucks aren't just big clumsy family sedans anyway these days), they've proven that they're inredibly obnoxious faux aristocrats and that the pickup truck drivers they hate are ten million times cooler than them or the people they're hoping to attract.
 
McLaren
It would be for the same reason disabled people are given special parking access, then. You'd have to prove why you & everyone else deserves that same benefit.

As for the fees you have to pay, I think then you'd be spending $15 just to have a judge throw out your case regarding the issue in this thread.

Then you don't have an argument anymore. He agreed to a contract, he broke the contract agreement. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, he didn't fulfill his side of the agreement. The HoA cut him slack which is more than what most would do, & he still couldn't do it. His options are sell the truck, move, or work 2 jobs to pay a $9,000/year fine.
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you guys have a valid point but the truth is unless it explicitly breaks a law noone but the presiding judge knows what the ruling would be.

But if you are being treated as what you consider unfairly you have to try and defend yourself in court. That's what the justice system is for. Noone says you're gonna win but you have to try.

This is murica. Greatest justice system in the world, etc.

He-he
 
White & Nerdy
The image thing is straight up BS. Simply by discriminating against pickup trucks because "they don't fit the image we're after" (as if pickup trucks aren't just big clumsy family sedans anyway these days), they've proven that they're inredibly obnoxious faux aristocrats and that the pickup truck drivers they hate are ten million times cooler than them or the people they're hoping to attract.
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The image thing makes complete sense if you have an understanding of what affects property values, or at least read Noob's posts in this thread. But, everything has to revolve around what you think is cool, so I'm not surprised if you aren't aware.

The issue with the rule is that it appears to be targeted at getting rid of any work trucks out of the neighborhood unless they're there to work. The problem is that the rule doesn't specify when it says trucks, so it means any altogether.
Dhalism
you guys have a valid point but the truth is unless it explicitly breaks a law noone but the presiding judge knows what the ruling would be.

But if you are being treated as what you consider unfairly you have to try and defend yourself in court. That's what the justice system is for. Noone says you're gonna win but you have to try.

This is murica. Greatest justice system in the world, etc.

He-he
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Extremely hard to file a claim in court saying, "I've been treated unfairly" when I signed a contract that specifically tells me how I'm going to be treated, though. In these cases, you're right, no one knows what the judge will rule, but you have a 90-95% chance guessing it right.
 
Yes, they're incredibly uncool.

But they're in the legal right.

Enrolling your daughter in a Catholic High School, then complaining that you don't quite like the cut of the school dress, or the fact that she's even required to wear one, isn't going to get you anywhere.

Though I don't know anyone who has complaints with the dress code:
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Yeaaah... no way my kid's going to that one...
 
McLaren
The image thing makes complete sense if you have an understanding of what affects property values, or at least read Noob's posts in this thread. But, everything has to revolve around what you think is cool, so I'm not surprised if you aren't aware.

The issue with the rule is that it appears to be targeted at getting rid of any work trucks out of the neighborhood unless they're there to work. The problem is that the rule doesn't specify when it says trucks, so it means any altogether.

Extremely hard to file a claim in court saying, "I've been treated unfairly" when I signed a contract that specifically tells me how I'm going to be treated, though. In these cases, you're right, no one knows what the judge will rule, but you have a 90-95% chance guessing it right.
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I trust those numbers are provided by Gallup.

I think this is also a misconception of how the court works. 90-95% chance it will be settled, won't go to court.
 
Dhalism
I trust those numbers are provided by Gallup.

I think this is also a misconception of how the court works. 90-95% chance it will be settled, won't go to court.
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Then why propose the idea, "you have to try and defend yourself in court" if you know well enough it won't even make it to the court for the judge to dismiss it....
 
McLaren
Then why propose the idea, "you have to try and defend yourself in court" if you know well enough it won't even make it to the court for the judge to dismiss it....
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That's not two different things. That's one thing with different outcomes.
 
I have to assume the absurdly accommodating HoA led by the guy who was quoted as saying he wants to keep this issue friendly would get somewhat soured if the family decided all of the bending over backwards wasn't enough and took them to court instead.
 
White & Nerdy
The image thing is straight up BS. Simply by discriminating against pickup trucks because "they don't fit the image we're after" (as if pickup trucks aren't just big clumsy family sedans anyway these days), they've proven that they're inredibly obnoxious faux aristocrats and that the pickup truck drivers they hate are ten million times cooler than them or the people they're hoping to attract.
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You also don't get it because you're emotionally involved here. It's not just about the image, it's about the lowered property values that come with the image. Trucks give off a working class image, which lowers the value of the homes around them. It's pretty simple stuff, a neighbourhood that wants to curate a higher class image doesn't want a bunch of pickups in the driveways because they're associated with working class (cheaper) neighbourhoods. I don't agree with it but I understand the rationale and a HOA is free to do it. It's not necessarily about being uppity (even though they're free to be uppity if they wish), in this case it would primarily be about money and property values.

Imagine if someone moved in across the street from you driving a bright pink VW Beetle with a My Little Pony logo on the back and Pinkie Pie painted on the hood. This person blasts the MLP theme song from their car stereo every day at full volume with the windows rolled down. Think about how annoyed and pissed off you would be by this person. Now think about the fact that big loud pickups make some people feel the same way.
 
Noob616
You also don't get it because you're emotionally involved here. It's not just about the image, it's about the lowered property values that come with the image. Trucks give off a working class image, which lowers the value of the homes around them. It's pretty simple stuff, a neighbourhood that wants to curate a higher class image doesn't want a bunch of pickups in the driveways because they're associated with working class (cheaper) neighbourhoods. I don't agree with it but I understand the rationale and a HOA is free to do it. It's not necessarily about being uppity (even though they're free to be uppity if they wish), in this case it would primarily be about money and property values.
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Also, $8000 could have bought that kid two Sevilles, so I think their might be something wrong with him anyway.
 
If you had the opportunity to buy a classic pickup... why would you choose an intentionally-not-fun, inline-4 powered lump of beige? Or an FF Cadillac with the same target market as this HOA?
 
White & Nerdy
The image thing is straight up BS. Simply by discriminating against pickup trucks because "they don't fit the image we're after" (as if pickup trucks aren't just big clumsy family sedans anyway these days), they've proven that they're inredibly obnoxious faux aristocrats and that the pickup truck drivers they hate are ten million times cooler than them or the people they're hoping to attract.
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I live near a place called Wilmslow, it's kind of like a brain vacuum on earth*.

That's the only place I ever see Dodge Rams or Ford F150s or whatever the other one's called. And only girls (generally under 25) drive them. True story!

The limit in the HOA wasn't just on pickup trucks though, was it? Overall it seemed to me to be aimed more at commercial-style large vehicles, which a utility vehicle like a truck sort-of-is.

What's a sedan. Is it a sort of lovely ice cream?


*Got some great restaurants though, if you save up
 
White & Nerdy
If you had the opportunity to buy a classic pickup... why would you choose an intentionally-not-fun, inline-4 powered lump of beige? Or an FF Cadillac with the same target market as this HOA?
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God dammit, do you have to turn every thread you come into, to a topic of what's cool & what's not in your end-all opinion?
 
So anyway, irrelevant notions of what the usual suspects thinks makes a cool car aside, this seems to be yet another case of poor parenting with heavy buck-passing.

Who signed the HOA agreement? The parents. Who let a minor buy a car? The parents. Who didn't tell the minor that he wasn't allowed to park that kind of car in the street? The parents. Who's at fault? People who hate pick up trucks... wait, what?
 

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