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How to take it to the next level in GT7?
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Just for fun, I picked F3500 and tried it at Spa! This was so cool! No assists, just ABS
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I know there was some great input provided but I wanted to add a few things I didn't see mentioned.
T4: Brake later
T6: Good job not braking and carrying speed, but by hitting the apex you'll be able to accelerate much sooner and carry the speed into T7
T7: Brake later. A LOT of coasting into and through the turn.
T8: Don't brake, turn in and let the car scrub some speed. Trail brake if you need to to rotate the car, but you can roll onto the throttle pretty easily here if you set it up properly.
The no assist lap was good on a few things but still very slow into corners. Turning genrally scrubs just enough speed sometimes to nullify using the brakes so harshly.
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Thank you very mich for all suggestions! I will practice when I get a chance in a next several days:-)
I need to think and memorize it. Learn 3-4 break points that I struggle with. Practice more.
This is my way to memorize:-)
I need to think and memorize it. Learn 3-4 break points that I struggle with. Practice more.
This is my way to memorize:-)
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This is correct for most players but not all players. I've never achieved gold in any online TT, which by definition [and factually] means that I've reached a plateau in which it's not possible to improve further to the degree that I would cross the threshold of precisely 3% worse time the top player. I can't remember if I got top 3.5% ever, would be curious as to how much slower than golden Gold level is my personal record.
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I would not give up. As with everything in life…you need skills, talent and consistent work. Marginal gains. You need a systemic approach and I am sure you can raise above what you believe is your current limit.
btw, guys…can you please help me think properly about these parts of the tracks? I struggle here the most:
1. Acceleration towards Eau Rouge. I was observing a ghost and I see that in order to get a proper line and not loose time, go flat out you need to enter it the right way. My problem area is this part. Somehow I am unable to nail this exact section properly and it compromises the rest:
2. Another one if from turn 9 and 10. There is mostly costing here, but I see that the ghost accelerates a bit towards turn 10, touches the apex, bounces from the kerb and moves to the right side and turn. There is no breaking here. I am unable to do it. I think I loose a lot of speed and time when I break and turn.
3. Right after there is turn 11. I am not fully able to understand the breaking point and how much I should break, how to go through that corner and carry out the speed.
4. Breaking point before the Bus Stop. Overall I think it is after the 150 mark or around 125 (between 150 and 100). If I break good, I am able to go through the Bus Stop decent. Now that I do not use assists, I need to be gentle with emotions and acceleration:-)
The rest I know where I am making mistakes and I think I know what I need to improve.
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@Lightpilgrim I know the cars are different but check out this guides for past Spa online time trials. You may get something out of these videos that will help you understand how to drive there.
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Thanks a lot. This indeed did help. Very different car and I cannot follow same breaking or acceleration points as it will not work, but his logic did help me think. Some questions remain thought…handling turn 9 and 10 in a Porsche that is used for CE. He seem to break a bit in his video. I do not know if I should break too or turn without breaking.
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Here is an update from my side. I had a bit of time this evening to give it a go.
RESULTS:
PROBLEM AREAS:
1. It is not easy for me to get the perfect exit from Turn 1 (but 30% of time I do ok)
2. Going through Eau Rouge. Being flat out and keeping the lines is hard. This is where I see the ghost would go a bit further ahead
3. The whole Sector 2 and Turn 9 and 10 in particular is where I loose GOLD. I am struggling to do it perfectly. As I exit towards Turn 11, I see the ghost is running away and the rest of the lap I cannot catch up
Rest of the lap I am mostly able to do well. Not every single time, but often.
I got tired and lost focus, so was not able to gain the missing 0,3 sec sadly.
Maybe one day:-)
RESULTS:
- at first, I was sliding like crazy and thought that I lost it. Was not even able to drive without assists
- progressively I have started to control and went to beat several of my records of individual sectors. In some sectors I am 0,5 sec faster than Gold requires
- I went to try a full lap. First 2 laps were 2 sec off, then I started getting better. I had a stint of 10 laps where I was always below 1 sec off GOLD
- my fastest lap is 2.18.794 which is 0.294 off GOLD (so close!)
PROBLEM AREAS:
1. It is not easy for me to get the perfect exit from Turn 1 (but 30% of time I do ok)
2. Going through Eau Rouge. Being flat out and keeping the lines is hard. This is where I see the ghost would go a bit further ahead
3. The whole Sector 2 and Turn 9 and 10 in particular is where I loose GOLD. I am struggling to do it perfectly. As I exit towards Turn 11, I see the ghost is running away and the rest of the lap I cannot catch up
Rest of the lap I am mostly able to do well. Not every single time, but often.
I got tired and lost focus, so was not able to gain the missing 0,3 sec sadly.
Maybe one day:-)
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I think the benefit of CE is that you can independently work on those sectors you fall behind. You can usually best the Gold times in those sections by a few tenths, so it doesn't hurt to keep practicing those problem areas to see what works and what doesn't.
Eau Rouge takes commitment to nail the right up the hill just right. You might even need to let off throttle to get the car to rotate a little more, and stay off the curb.
Edit: I figured I would run it a few times to see if the physics have really changed the difficulty much. It's a pretty sloppy lap and you can see plenty of mistakes I made but I put about 30 miles on the car of attempts between Section 1 CE and this final lap.
Eau Rouge takes commitment to nail the right up the hill just right. You might even need to let off throttle to get the car to rotate a little more, and stay off the curb.
Edit: I figured I would run it a few times to see if the physics have really changed the difficulty much. It's a pretty sloppy lap and you can see plenty of mistakes I made but I put about 30 miles on the car of attempts between Section 1 CE and this final lap.
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Phenomenal lap! Are you on a wheel? Hard to imagine this level of car control is possible on a controller:-) I will keep learning. The lap you did shows me how much more I need to practice to drive well!
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No, I am on controller
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Huge respect from me. You are super good! I have a lot to learn and will keep learning. Thanks for sharing what is possible!
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I struggle with S1 and S2.
What I did is I have recorded my average attempts to go through each of them. This was it will be more clear where I make mistakes. Maybe you will have ideas on how I can address them….
THANKS!
What I did is I have recorded my average attempts to go through each of them. This was it will be more clear where I make mistakes. Maybe you will have ideas on how I can address them….
THANKS!
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In S1 : you tend to cut T1 too early, you can see the ghost is on your left while turning, but he exits on your right and is able to throttle earlier. On attempt 3 (or 4) you nail it (but fail Eau-Rouge).
In Eau-Rouge, you should attack from the left, you are too much on the right. You can put your left wheels deep over the curb on the left, just keep your right wheels on the curb. You tend to just touch the left curb with your left wheels, or even not touch it. You have margin there.
In S2, I don't see anything obvious, it seems like you just need to work that sector in order to get more smoothness.
In Eau-Rouge, you should attack from the left, you are too much on the right. You can put your left wheels deep over the curb on the left, just keep your right wheels on the curb. You tend to just touch the left curb with your left wheels, or even not touch it. You have margin there.
In S2, I don't see anything obvious, it seems like you just need to work that sector in order to get more smoothness.
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Yes, you need to be on the left, your left wheels in the grass. In your video above, most of the time you don't go enough on the left.
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You need to find the right amount of left, but on the video shown previously you have too much margin there I think.
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unless Eau Rouge is not exactly “flat out”, meaning it is always full gas the moment you leave Turn 1.
I tried to be more on the left, but the inertia carries me completely to the left and I screw the S1.
I can do S1 Gold, but this is not “flat out”, but then I am giving up 0.2-0.3 to the Ghost and combining with not so perfect S2 is what killing my GOLD lap:-)
I tried to be more on the left, but the inertia carries me completely to the left and I screw the S1.
I can do S1 Gold, but this is not “flat out”, but then I am giving up 0.2-0.3 to the Ghost and combining with not so perfect S2 is what killing my GOLD lap:-)
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Having watched a few of your videos I think your main problem is that you give too much steering input too quickly. This causes understeer, which presumably causes you to give even more input, which causes even more understeer. Your steering technique is most likely also the reason you can't get on the throttle quickly enough coming out of corners.
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You know what is my fear? That if I keep practicing more without making changes, I will 1. Get frustrated for the lack of progress, 2. Imprint bad habits into my driving style
I would rather understand flaws and mistakes and go through the pain of changing so that I could build on good habits.
@imChris might be right…so I am keep to learn.
I had a similar story in life with tennis. We started playing with my bro without any coach or lesson and we did ok. But then I wanted to grow and progress, got a trainer and he had to break my bad old habits (mainly with backhand) before I could progress. So it got worse before it got better
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This will be difficult to explain, but you need to give gradual steering input when entering corners. You can do this by "rolling" your joystick when turning, rather than going full lock left or full lock right on a horizontal line. I tried visualizing it in two drawings, with drawing A the joystick moves from full lock left to full lock right on a horizontal line, which is presumably what you're doing now, while drawing B shows a gradual rolling of the joystick (which is the technique I use).
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To add to what @imChris said, there are instances when you do not want to go full lock. Even when you are playing the gradual rolling way as he pointed out.
I remember in the online time trial at Tsukuba with the Honda NSX (was it the 92' or the 02'?) eveytime I hit the throttle getting out of turn 1, I ended up spinning if my joystick were fully locked to the right. I mean, I learned how to take that turn moving the joystick smoothly, just enough and not touching the edge of the bay where the joystick is. If that makes sense.
I guess the real life related thing would be to turn the wheel enough to make the turn, instead of turning it in abruptly and using all the course it has (full locking).
Also I watched your lap @Lightpilgrim and you are just 2 corners away from gold. I don't know how the Porsche Gr3 is driving these days but I remember I gained lots of time when I realized the demo ghost kept on 5th all the way on the Camel straight. Is the demonstration still driving like that?
I remember in the online time trial at Tsukuba with the Honda NSX (was it the 92' or the 02'?) eveytime I hit the throttle getting out of turn 1, I ended up spinning if my joystick were fully locked to the right. I mean, I learned how to take that turn moving the joystick smoothly, just enough and not touching the edge of the bay where the joystick is. If that makes sense.
I guess the real life related thing would be to turn the wheel enough to make the turn, instead of turning it in abruptly and using all the course it has (full locking).
Also I watched your lap @Lightpilgrim and you are just 2 corners away from gold. I don't know how the Porsche Gr3 is driving these days but I remember I gained lots of time when I realized the demo ghost kept on 5th all the way on the Camel straight. Is the demonstration still driving like that?
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I think a have a bit of a down moment.
Yes, the ghost goes through Eau Rouge on 5th gear and then moves to 6th. As I am using AT on a gamepad, I cannot do that, but I managed to go through S1 on 6th and did GOLD 3-4 times in a row.
This was a good one:
I did S2 GOLD too, but out of 10 attempts 2 will be GOLD, 6 SILVER, 2 BRONZE. I loose time there!!!
Now I also started making mistakes in S3 which I did not do. I think I am a bit tired and need a break. Then I need to regroup and hopefully I can improve and crack GOLD.
Yes, the ghost goes through Eau Rouge on 5th gear and then moves to 6th. As I am using AT on a gamepad, I cannot do that, but I managed to go through S1 on 6th and did GOLD 3-4 times in a row.
This was a good one:
I did S2 GOLD too, but out of 10 attempts 2 will be GOLD, 6 SILVER, 2 BRONZE. I loose time there!!!
Now I also started making mistakes in S3 which I did not do. I think I am a bit tired and need a break. Then I need to regroup and hopefully I can improve and crack GOLD.
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