Huge Forza Horizon 4 Leak: 120 More New Cars Might Be On Their Way

I've always felt Gran Turismo put their remarkable attention to detail above and beyond the actual gaming experience. The atmosphere around tracks feels very serious, sterile and austere, a lifeless bubble of sorts. It's like dating a Victoria's Secret model with no charisma or personality... insanely pretty, but boring to be around. :lol:
 
Yes, so it's not the game as a whole, like you're trying to paint. It's some cars, like you mention.


That's because GT has an absurd attention to detail, so much so that it faults other area's at the time. It doesn't mean they're exempt from their own modeling issues though, much like Forza here.

The PS3 era, you'd be correct for about, what, 25% of the actual car list considering the vast majority of the 1000 cars they had were all standard vehicles, looking way farther off than anything that Forza has ever had to worry about. So it's odd that you're going to town on some Forza vehicles here, but you're giving a whole generation of absurdly bad vehicles a pass and saying it was still better :lol: I feel I should reiterate too, the models in x360 vs PS3 era weren't vastly superior as a whole - but what was, again, was the lighting and shader models. As it sits, I would argue that this generations Forza models are trumping GT's, not purely because of modeling and polygons, but because of their attention to detail with things like engine bays and many area's of a car that GT just isn't even modeling at all. Like I said, all about trade off's. They both have their weakness, and strengths really, and next gen is going to be closing that gap they have between each other even more as every generation has so far - meaning a good thing for both games.

GT has a better career mode still? At first they didn't even have one, now they haphazardly threw in one that seems to be hit and miss going off impressions on the GT forum. However, I for one am glad they threw it in, because that's something I always had an issue with(as well as customization.) However, you'd be correct that no Forza game comes close to GT4 career, but can't the same be said about every GT game after that at that point too?
Gt sport did have a career mode at launch just not gt league. Gt5 did have a great career mode as well. That has never been forzas strong side. I bet many people are supriced that gt has better car sounds than Forza at this point
 
Both games are pretty much identical modelling wise on the new models, although GT is miles better in the head and tail light department.

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The Old models are pretty bad though, even ones that have been "improved".

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One thing stands out in those Impreza comparison shots. GT does an excellent job making materials like metals, glass, plastics and fabrics look authentic. Forza looks more like every car part is made of plastic.
 
One thing stands out in those Impreza comparison shots. GT does an excellent job making materials like metals, glass, plastics and fabrics look authentic. Forza looks more like every car part is made of plastic.

Indeed, their overly glossed paintwork undoes a lot of the efforts made in model fidelity and ambient lighting.
 
Gt sport did have a career mode at launch just not gt league. Gt5 did have a great career mode as well. That has never been forzas strong side. I bet many people are supriced that gt has better car sounds than Forza at this point
It had a mode that was essentially no different than what license test used to be in the past, so how you're saying that was somehow better than an actual career mode is beyond me, but hey you did just say PS3 generation was better too, and it consisted of mainly horribly modeled vehicles.

GT5 did not have a strong career mode at all in my opinion. It had no rhyme or reason. Forza may not have the best career mode(I think that actually belongs to Pcars, as much as I hate that game) but GTS has only fallen off it's own path the last few iterations. Surprised? Not so much in the way you're trying to put it. Surprised in the fact that I'm glad that all these games are making much more improvements this generation than they ever had.

Thanks for ignoring all the other points though.

Both games are pretty much identical modelling wise on the new models, although GT is miles better in the head and tail light department.
This is one thing I really like about PD's attention to detail, they're headlights and taillights and their illumination always looked authentic. It was always a very nice touch. It's also one of the things I hate most about Forza.

One thing stands out in those Impreza comparison shots. GT does an excellent job making materials like metals, glass, plastics and fabrics look authentic. Forza looks more like every car part is made of plastic.
Yeah, GT has always had top notch shaders. That, mixed with their lighting model, is what actually got me into photography in these games. If it wasn't for GT I probably wouldn't have cared so much about aspects like that
 
It had a mode that was essentially no different than what license test used to be in the past, so how you're saying that was somehow better than an actual career mode is beyond me, but hey you did just say PS3 generation was better too, and it consisted of mainly horribly modeled vehicles.

GT5 did not have a strong career mode at all in my opinion. It had no rhyme or reason. Forza may not have the best career mode(I think that actually belongs to Pcars, as much as I hate that game) but GTS has only fallen off it's own path the last few iterations. Surprised? Not so much in the way you're trying to put it. Surprised in the fact that I'm glad that all these games are making much more improvements this generation than they ever had.

Thanks for ignoring all the other points though.


This is one thing I really like about PD's attention to detail, they're headlights and taillights and their illumination always looked authentic. It was always a very nice touch. It's also one of the things I hate most about Forza.


Yeah, GT has always had top notch shaders. That, mixed with their lighting model, is what actually got me into photography in these games. If it wasn't for GT I probably wouldn't have cared so much about aspects like that
Gt5 not a great career you must be joking it was big larger than Forza and better by far. Project cars career is trash in my opinion no progression.if you are into racing then It might be a good thing but me could not care less.
I want career races with championchips and price cars and money and none of them have made It that great as gt have both past and present. Gt sport is still not perfect in Any means i would rather have a full sized gran turismo over It, but we never got that choise did we
 
Gt5 not a great career you must be joking it was big larger than Forza and better by far. Project cars career is trash in my opinion no progression.if you are into racing then It might be a good thing but me could not care less.
I want career races with championchips and price cars and money and none of them have made It that great as gt have both past and present. Gt sport is still not perfect in Any means i would rather have a full sized gran turismo over It, but we never got that choise did we
Gran Turismo's career was bad, and it was even locked to level progress which doesn't make any sense. It only had 6 categories with 9 selections each. You're either lying or just aren't remembering. Forza Motorsport 4 at that time had a career mode that, in comparison, was vastly bigger as a whole. Forza 7 on the other hand has an extremely similar structure, except that you aren't locked out of it based on what level you are in game. So how it's any better doesn't really make any sense.

Pcars is literally progression based, what are you talking about? You start out with karts and work your way up to the different disciplines. Out of the three here, it's literally the only one with actual progression and structure that makes sense.

That we got to choose or not literally has nothing to do with what you're talking about.

What does ANY of this have to do with leaked cars? Good lord. :lol:
Absolutely nothing at all. All that's happening is he's grasping for every little extra thing as people describe the actual differences that he's trying to downplay.
 
Ever since horizon was made people lexpected Motorsport to be more series but nope that has not happened at all as motorsport got worse and worse as it tried to appeal to the horizon crowd while alienating its old fans ever since forza 1.

T10 has a lot of work to do get the trust of its players back.
 
Ever since horizon was made people lexpected Motorsport to be more series but nope that has not happened at all as motorsport got worse and worse as it tried to appeal to the horizon crowd while alienating its old fans ever since forza 1.

T10 has a lot of work to do get the trust of its players back.
I really never expected Motorsport to get more serious. All I thought when this happened is one game is appealing to an open world structure and one is appealing to a circuit based structure. If people lost trust because T10 didn't do something they never hinted or intended on doing, than I think that's their own fault for making up that scenario in the first place.

I've since gotten bored of the old structure, but I'm not looking for it to get more hardcore, I'm just looking for it to be better as it's been on a repeat cycle it seems and making it more "serious" isn't going to do much for me.
 
I really never expected Motorsport to get more serious. All I thought when this happened is one game is appealing to an open world structure and one is appealing to a circuit based structure. If people lost trust because T10 didn't do something they never hinted or intended on doing, than I think that's their own fault for making up that scenario in the first place.

I've since gotten bored of the old structure, but I'm not looking for it to get more hardcore, I'm just looking for it to be better as it's been on a repeat cycle it seems and making it more "serious" isn't going to do much for me.

We dont need a serious game like pc or ac. But motorsport should stay by being motorsport.

Fm7 was not a bad game but it was poor i mean really poor by motorsport standards when compared to 2, 3 and 4. Nobody asked for hot wheels cars or more suvs in their dlc packs.

Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512S both cars which motorsport fans have been begging for literally ever since forza 2 or 3. Only to appear in Horizon 4 which is not a motorsport game as both cars were made for the track is nothing more than a kick in the balls to motorsport fans.

If motorsport fans feel pissed off for many reasons I rightfully agree 100 percent with them.

Releasing a forza game has not only fatigued the series but also led to even more poor quality in the series. Releasing a forza game every year just hurts the series more. A game like motorsport should be given a maximum 2.5 to 3 year development. T10 should stop throwing away motorsports identity to appeal to casuals and horizon fans. Let motorsport fans enjoy their game.
 
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Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512S both cars which motorsport fans have been begging for literally ever since forza 2 or 3. Only to appear in Horizon 4 which is not a motorsport game as both cars were made for the track is nothing more than a kick in the balls to motorsport fans.

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I hope you're wearing a groin guard, buddy, because the Targa Florio is winding up a mighty hit to your family jewels...
 
We dont need a serious game like pc or ac. But motorsport should stay by being motorsport.

Fm7 was not a bad game but it was poor i mean really poor by motorsport standards when compared to 2, 3 and 4. Nobody asked for hot wheels cars or more suvs in their dlc packs.
Why do you think it was "poor" by Motorsport standards compared to those?

I didn't ask for anything extra in this game, so I'm not complaining that I got extra's. Was there things I didn't like? Sure, but I'm not going to pretend that what I want should come first and foremost. I for one liked the the SUV's.

Porsche 917 and the Ferrari 512S both cars which motorsport fans have been begging for literally ever since forza 2 or 3. Only to appear in Horizon 4 which is not a motorsport game as both cars were made for the track is nothing more than a kick in the balls to motorsport fans.
So you're sad that it's not put into FM7, even though the game literally has ceased post-production? I'm not sure I'm understanding here. What's the issue of it appearing in FH first? Do we know that it was even remotely ready within the post-production time of FM7 as a whole? Do we know that it's only going to appear in FH4 and no where else? If not, than I'm not sure why we're jumping to conclusions.

Releasing a forza game has not only fatigued the series but also led to even more poor quality in the series. Releasing a forza game every year just hurts the series more. A game like motorsport should be given a maximum 2.5 to 3 year development. T10 should stop throwing away motorsports identity to appeal to casuals and horizon fans. Let motorsport fans enjoy their game.
So, exactly what they said they are already doing this time? Even with the issues, I am enjoying the game, and they very much are letting others enjoy it as well.

My point still stands as both cars were made for circuits like Lemans and spa. Horizon 4 does not even come close to a targa florio experience.
Who cares, it's free content. I'd rather have more production vehicles, sure, but I'm not going to complain about something that is free in the first place. If I don't like it I'll just move on.
 
Fully agreed with the above, the 917 LH AND 512S would have been so much better in FM7 with it's right tracks and other rivals in the same time period. I'm really tired of T10 going this route, releasing racing and track based cars in the horizon series instead of FM series. And with FH4 it's even worse than FH3. They need to start separating cars based on core gameplay going forward like FM should have really only racing cars of all kinds of motorsports, a nice sum of road cars and SOME performance SUVs not all like they did with FM7. While horizon should get the oddballs like legos, barrett Jackson's, racing vans, etc. Many road cars and maybe a some classic road racers. That's all they have to do
 
My point still stands as both cars were made for circuits like Lemans and spa. Horizon 4 does not even come close to a targa florio experience.

Actually, I have it on good authority that the 512S was designed for use on road circuits and tested extensively in the countryside around Maranello. Regardless, I have been having a blast racing those 1970s midship prototypes in Horizon, so I am inclined to disagree with the sentiment that they do not fit the game.

Also, both cars were added after T10 ceased support for FM7, so it doesn't really make much sense to say they should have included them in that game's roster. Of course, I will be the first up in arm against Xbox Studios if they will not be a part of the next Motorsport without any good explaination; I am still incensed at the departure of the Nissan Safari Turbo, and other cars, like the Alfa 8C and BMW 328, that would have been more at home in Horizon's streets than they were in Motorsport's circuits.
 
There's no way now Turn 10 would take time and money to place these cars in FM7. The game is done with support and Turn 10 is focused on the next one right now. FH4 is the best option for the current situation.

Which is fine as it's not the first open world game to have race cars.
 
What does ANY of this have to do with leaked cars? Good lord. :lol:
Because you always gotta have anti fans/trolls downplay another game to make their beloved look/sound superior. That is why. Comparing games is one thing, but downplaying for the sake of attention is another.

I think they're jealous Forza is featuring so many different cars and manufacturers they wish could appear in their game, but their developer is too busy perfecting stitches on steering wheels and seats, headlights, etc. :lol:

Although some of Forza's models aren't "perfect", at least we don't have to worry about T10 scrapping them, unlike Kaz and PD who does it almost constantly when they make a new GT game on next gen consoles. It's annoying, because then they have to focus on bringing all those cars back along with adding new ones.

I'm hoping FM8 doesn't do this like FM5 did with its cars. T10 is in a good position right now, and I'm preying every single day that T10 won't pull a PD on us next gen.
 
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My point still stands as both cars were made for circuits like Lemans and spa. Horizon 4 does not even come close to a targa florio experience.

Le Mans and Spa were public road circuits when the Porsche 917 and Ferrari 512 S raced there. Le Mans still is to some degree, but the public road parts have since been gradually modernized to accommodate racing once every year.
 
Gran Turismo's career was bad, and it was even locked to level progress which doesn't make any sense. It only had 6 categories with 9 selections each. You're either lying or just aren't remembering. Forza Motorsport 4 at that time had a career mode that, in comparison, was vastly bigger as a whole. Forza 7 on the other hand has an extremely similar structure, except that you aren't locked out of it based on what level you are in game. So how it's any better doesn't really make any sense.

Pcars is literally progression based, what are you talking about? You start out with karts and work your way up to the different disciplines. Out of the three here, it's literally the only one with actual progression and structure that makes sense.

That we got to choose or not literally has nothing to do with what you're talking about.


Absolutely nothing at all. All that's happening is he's grasping for every little extra thing as people describe the actual differences that he's trying to downplay.
I disagree its not about how big the career is its how well made It is. Forza 4 was good in most senses career mode had no prize cars gt It better in that sense the type of races is better in gt in my opinion, however no point on commenting more as its not leading anywhere
 
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I disagree its not about how big the career is its how well made It is. Forza 4 was good in most senses career mode had no prize cars gt It better in that sense the type of races is better in gt in my opinion, however no point on commenting more as its not leading anywhere
If it's about how well the career mode is than it makes even less sense that you're going on about it as if it's anything to write home about. Especially considering they're following very similar structures.

I believe it's because some people think support ended too abruptly.
Two years of post-release development is "abrupt"? That doesn't make sense to me.
 
Two years of post-release development is "abrupt"? That doesn't make sense to me.

Two years is a good amount of time, but development still ended a bit out of the blue. FRR development was making good progress, and suddenly enough was enough for FM7. They had their internal reasons, but the community was prepared for more.
 
Two years is a good amount of time, but development still ended a bit out of the blue. FRR development was making good progress, and suddenly enough was enough for FM7. They had their internal reasons, but the community was prepared for more.
I don't understand how it was out of the blue. This has actually been one of the longer post-development cycles than the usual, if anything I would have anticipated it ending sooner than that going off past schedules, not the other way around.

That's the thing though - The community has an insatiable hunger. It will never not be ready for more.
 
I don't understand how it was out of the blue. This has actually been one of the longer post-development cycles than the usual, if anything I would have anticipated it ending sooner than that going off past schedules, not the other way around.

I don't perceive it to be a matter of duration, but rather a matter of timing. Support simply ended like - this will be the last update ever. Few people saw it coming like that from one month to the other, and much of it has to do with Chris Esaki's open communication throughout FM7's FRR swan song. Again, suddenly enough was enough, but they obviously had their reasons.

That's the thing though - The community has an insatiable hunger. It will never not be ready for more.

Exactly.
 
I don't perceive it to be a matter of duration, but rather a matter of timing. Support simply ended like - this will be the last update ever. Few people saw it coming like that from one month to the other, and much of it has to do with Chris Esaki's open communication throughout FM7's FRR swan song. Suddenly enough was enough, and they obviously had their reasons.
That sounds like a natural occurrence for pretty much every game ever made. There was nothing abrupt about it, like you previously stated. Hell, they even gave a month notice that it would be the last update. Saying it's a matter of timing doesn't prove the point any better, to be honest. At some point, they're just going to have to move on to the next game, and two years is a damn long time to support a game like this.

Exactly what? You're not supporting your case at all here. It's practically like you're now disregarding your statement as a whole. At that point, what was even the point of saying it.

"The community was prepared for more"
"There will never be a point the community will not be prepared for more"
"Yes"

Just because we're gluttons should not be a reason as to why there should always be more, or why we should even expect more.
 
That sounds like a natural occurrence for pretty much every game ever made. There was nothing abrupt about it, like you previously stated. Hell, they even gave a month notice that it would be the last update. Saying it's a matter of timing doesn't prove the point any better, to be honest. At some point, they're just going to have to move on to the next game, and two years is a damn long time to support a game like this.

Exactly what? You're not supporting your case at all here. It's practically like you're now disregarding your statement as a whole. At that point, what was even the point of saying it.

"The community was prepared for more"
"There will never be a point the community will not be prepared for more"
"Yes"

I think this is getting too argumentative and for something that isn't really all that interesting to talk about considering this is old FM7 news, and I'd rather just get back to discussing FH4 and car models.
 
I think this is getting too argumentative and for something that isn't really all that interesting to talk about considering this is old FM7 news, and I'd rather just get back to discussing FH4 and car models.
Well if you don't feel like discussing your own opinion that you brought forth then I suppose there's nothing I can do about that. If it was that uninteresting I'm wondering why it was posted in the first place.
 
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