Huge time difference, gr4 Kyoto..?

[ROCKET JOE]

If you cant beat them! join them.. or you could just have a whinge instead

Good to see you back, man. Still bothered ?
I'll do my very best to not have a whinge, but I for sure will not join them. No need ( and no chance ) to get to Paris sometime. Nice .gif btw ...

What laps kind of laps can you do in a long run? Its hard for me to do under 1:43 laps because the damn exit speed is so important. I can do 1:43.0 to 1:43.5 lap after lap if I have a good feeling.

The same here.
I have to admit I refuse to enter racing atm. Won't do so until I'm confident with me and my driving. I've never been very quick at getting up to speed, so I keep on practicing instead of spoiling races .
Longing for that moment though when I give myself a go !

 

[Flaren89]

Still, maybe PD will allow just TCS and ABS for the official championships, so guys using countersteer aid might get rekted then.
We'll see.

 

[Mr P]

Still bothered ?
I'll do my very best to not have a whinge, but I for sure will not join them. No need ( and no chance ) to get to Paris sometime. Nice .gif btw ...

Nah I'm good, I decided after that thread I posted and had removed.. that when all said and done! I paid for my own personal copy of the game, so I will pretty much do what I want when playing it, even if it upsets others 👍

Have fun guys

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Nah I'm good, I decided after that thread I posted and had removed.. that when all said and done! I paid for my own personal copy of the game, so I will pretty much do what I want when playing it, even if it upsets others 👍

Have fun guys

Yep. So be it. I understand ...

 

[7HO]

you can't cut the track in qualifying without penalty

I'm not so sure about that anymore. I was qualifying in the Gr3 event today and I carried too much speed and cut the corner and got a time penalty but I didn't clear it and kept going expecting the penalty to get added to the time as per usual. Well the time went red in the box with the penalty added to it but my qualifying time was recorded as my lap time without the penalty. I couldn't believe it. I also couldn't accept that I had an illegitimate time from a cut as my qualifying time and now even my ghost of that time had the cut in it. So I had to get a legitimate time that was faster. It took me about 3 hours to beat it.

Now I wonder how often that happens? It's a bit of a worry.

I don't think the top times are cheating though. I've seen a few of their laps on Youtube and they were all legitimate. They must have great setups because they run the same line as me, they are just quicker and I think the key difference must be their ability to get the power down as my TC seems to be working overtime.

 

[Foxis]

I don't think the top times are cheating though. I've seen a few of their laps on Youtube and they were all legitimate. They must have great setups because they run the same line as me, they are just quicker and I think the key difference must be their ability to get the power down as my TC seems to be working overtime.

Or...it could be that they have very fast and unstable setups that they get away with by using counter steer assistance. That - IMHO - is cheating.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

... I also couldn't accept that I had an illegitimate time from a cut as my qualifying time and now even my ghost of that time had the cut in it. So I had to get a legitimate time that was faster. It took me about 3 hours to beat it. ...

That's a pain in the ass for me too . I usually don't cross the line then 👍.

 

[Foxis]

Thinking about this some, the only thing PD can do if they wish to establish GTS as a legitimate esport with a FIA endorsement is to enforce certain aid settings. Either fully off or a tad of TCS and nothing else.

But I am not sure it will happen. If FIA can't even govern their premiere sport properly (see recent track limits fiasco), how are PD supposed to be able to set up a fair system. Call me a cynic.

 

[Mr P]

Or...it could be that they have very fast and unstable setups that they get away with by using counter steer assistance. That - IMHO - is cheating.

You can blame PD as they put it in the options menu.. You wouldn't throw a steak into a kennel with dogs if you didn't expect them to eat it

Seriously guys, you should all just mass email PD and request the addition for separate lobbies for assists and non assists races in the next update 👍

 

[Foxis]

You can blame PD as they put it in the options menu.. You wouldn't throw a steak into a kennel with dogs if you didn't expect them to eat it

Seriously guys, you should all just mass email PD and request the addition for separate lobbies for assists and non assists races in the next update 👍

Do you have an email adress that would result in the dev team actually reading an email? If so, I'd be happy to write one.
And settings for lobbies are not the answer. They need to clamp down on this in the Sport mode.

 

[Mr P]

Do you have an email adress that would result in the dev team actually reading an email? If so, I'd be happy to write one.
And settings for lobbies are not the answer. They need to clamp down on this in the Sport mode.

Yeah it's KazatPD.com just tell him I sent you 👍

.. and separate lobbies wont make you feel better? you really need to see it gone completely! your way or the highway eh

 

[Foxis]

Yeah it's KazatPD.com just tell him I sent you 👍

.. and separate lobbies wont make you feel better? you really need to see it gone completely! your way or the highway eh

AFAIK there are no lobbies in the Sport mode. Do you suggest splitting official daily races and events into with/without aides? Not sure that's a good idea.
If they want good participation and something that emulates RL racing, then a forced (minimal) aid setting is the way to go.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

You can blame PD as they put it in the options menu.. You wouldn't throw a steak into a kennel with dogs if you didn't expect them to eat it

Always thought there's some difference between men and dogs !

Ok, racing dogs now ... "Pluto in the lead ! Will he keep things together ?" ...

 

[Finflash]

I'm not so sure about that anymore. I was qualifying in the Gr3 event today and I carried too much speed and cut the corner and got a time penalty but I didn't clear it and kept going expecting the penalty to get added to the time as per usual. Well the time went red in the box with the penalty added to it but my qualifying time was recorded as my lap time without the penalty. I couldn't believe it. I also couldn't accept that I had an illegitimate time from a cut as my qualifying time and now even my ghost of that time had the cut in it. So I had to get a legitimate time that was faster. It took me about 3 hours to beat it.

Now I wonder how often that happens? It's a bit of a worry.

Ok, didn't know that. I tried it one time and my record didn't change.

Not that I tried to cheat

 

[Windfire1010]

I don't think the driving aids help all that much. I don't use any of them apart from abs and I get into the low 41s with extreme ease. By the way I don't use a wheel or the GT-R.

 

[Finflash]

Thinking about this some, the only thing PD can do if they wish to establish GTS as a legitimate esport with a FIA endorsement is to enforce certain aid settings. Either fully off or a tad of TCS and nothing else.

But I am not sure it will happen. If FIA can't even govern their premiere sport properly (see recent track limits fiasco), how are PD supposed to be able to set up a fair system. Call me a cynic.

I don't think it's never fair when people compete in something, there's always this and that. Whatever sport I have ever tried is always the best before you start to take things too seriously, amateur sport is always much funnier.

Separate entries would be fine for me.

 

[PorscheHD]

Dont get you people i have not the fastest times but often in top 3/5 with DS4 and only ABS. And you know what? I have fun!!!

And why iam in top 3 but dont have fastest times? Because you have to do more dan 1 lap and you can drive the fastest lap but if you crash the second lap i pass those guys withmy slome times

If people like to race with all those aids on is that a loss of fun for them....... i like to be in control of my car and drive good laps knowing that i dont use aids......

Every clean race where i have to give 100% to hold my place is for me a good and fun race!

 

[ROCKET JOE]

I don't think the driving aids help all that much. I don't use any of them apart from abs and I get into the low 41s with extreme ease. By the way I don't use a wheel or the GT-R.

Superior driving then 👍 ... congrats.

 

[qwbufp]

It’s a reminder that GT Sport is a game and not a real simulation. I still enjoy fighting for 6-8th place with the sloppy GT-R drivers. I always start 11th or 12th. I’m a consistent driver so I end up catching them on the last lap.

 

[Foxis]

It’s a reminder that GT Sport is a game and not a real simulation. I still enjoy fighting for 10th place with the dirty GT-R drivers.

It is positioned as a simulator, and PD wants to turn it into a proper e-sport with FIA endorsement. Do you really think there is room in such a game / e-sport for behaviour which is contrary to the very sport it attempts to emulate?

I am certainly no alien, but I am quick enough to enjoy proper and clean racing without feeling a need or desire to improve my times by using fake tactics.
So this isn't "sour grapes", as I would not be a top contender anyway. I just do not want GTS to remain a dirty online experience.

 

[qwbufp]

I had more fun early on before they enabled custom setups. I was a real challenge to try to extract as much performance as possible from the cars without going over the limit. Now I mostly race offline at the Nords or do hot lapping sessions.

 

[Shottah072]

I dont know about abusing assists to gain time, if that is happening then that needs looking in to by PD.

But i do know about true aliens and their secret and that is there is none. They are true aliens because their inputs are almost flawless every corner every lap. Being this flawless with their inputs lets them get away with very loose setups that wil have the average joe spinnin on most corners. They set their cars up with great turn in and rotation allowing for higher corner speed but this also makes the car very easy to over rotate and spin. They are are fast cause they can still control the car with their super smooth inputs where as the less gifted drivers will be better off with a more stable set up.

 

[FUNanywhere]

I have stopped at 1:46:022 after one win Anyways it will reset in some time.

1:41 is crazy though. With DS4 its impossible.

 

[qwbufp]

These drivers are quicker for sure. Remove the extreme setups and they’ll be 1-2 seconds slower. I tried some of Praiano’s setups and I gained 1.2 seconds in the RC-F GT3. I just felt it was hard to remain consistent with a wheel. I admire his skill and I believe he doesn’t really need these setups to get seconds ahead in a 10-lap race. I’m more concerned with the noobs throwing their cars on the inside because of the amazing turn in capacities of cars using these setups. They punt you in the chicanes or push you off track as they suddenly appear in your radar from far away.

 

[PJTierney]

Has anyone had much success with the Porsche Cayman? I’d like to use it as it’s my chosen Manufacturer but I haven’t found a good setup yet (DS4).

 

[Shottah072]

These drivers are quicker for sure. Remove the extreme setups and they’ll be 1-2 seconds slower. I tried some of Praiano’s setups and I gained 1.2 seconds in the RC-F GT3. I just felt it was hard to remain consistent with a wheel. I admire his skill and I believe he doesn’t really need these setups to get seconds ahead in a 10-lap race. I’m more concerned with the noobs throwing their cars on the inside because of the amazing turn in capacities of cars using these setups. They punt you in the chicanes or push you off track as they suddenly appear in your radar from far away.

There is nothing wrong with using extreme loose setups if u have the skill to keep it on the road. Thats not cheating they are just better drivers for be being able to do so.

 

[Flaren89]

Guys, about the "fair" thing in competitions, even virtual, think this:
In the recent F1 2017 esport event, in one of the semifinals the organizers missed to set properly the BoP option. Was set on "realistic" instead of "balanced". With this, the drivers running with cars like Sauber and McLaren were 4 seconds slower than people on Mercedes and Ferrari. This is because they were noobs? Nope, it's because that was the effective differences on the cars.
You think it is fair, where possible top drivers had just the bad luck to get sorted with "bad" cars and then organizers not BoPping them? And what about you get this advantage not from the car, but from using aids which REAL simdrivers don't want to use because is not realistic?

 

[Foxis]

These drivers are quicker for sure. Remove the extreme setups and they’ll be 1-2 seconds slower.

You are missing the point. I have no problem with people being quicker due to setups.
I have a problem with people being quicker using extreme setups that the cannot handle without certain driver aids turned on fully. That is cheating.

Guys, about the "fair" thing in competitions, even virtual, think this:
In the recent F1 2017 esport event, in one of the semifinals the organizers missed to set properly the BoP option. Was set on "realistic" instead of "balanced". With this, the drivers running with cars like Sauber and McLaren were 4 seconds slower than people on Mercedes and Ferrari. This is because they were noobs? Nope, it's because that was the effective differences on the cars.

You are also missing the point. I have no problem with some cars being quicker than others on certain tracks. I have a problem with people misusing the characteristics of those cars with the help of driving aids. That is cheating.

 

[daan]

You are missing the point. I have no problem with people being quicker due to setups.
I have a problem with people being quicker using extreme setups that the cannot handle without certain driver aids turned on fully. That is cheating.



You are also missing the point. I have no problem with some cars being quicker than others on certain tracks. I have a problem with people misusing the characteristics of those cars with the help of driving aids. That is cheating.

Using a setup and the aids that the game provides is not cheating.

 

[qwbufp]

There is nothing wrong with using extreme loose setups if u have the skill to keep it on the road. Thats not cheating they are just better drivers for be being able to do so.

Never said it’s cheating. It’s just a pain to have to deal with extremely loose cars in the hands of average/poorly skilled drivers throwing their cars in corners and forcing you to either steer away from them or be pushed off the track. You end up catching them once they spin but it makes the races less civilized. You can tap cars with a relatively minor hit on your SR.

Still it’s ok if it stays like this. I’ll deal with it.