Hyundai Ioniq 5N is Coming to Gran Turismo 7’s Next Update

[05XR8]

I wonder if the Ioniq race will have the two cars on the right as skins. Similar to how the ND Roadster have the NR-A in factory colors and the Mazda Spirit Racing liveries.

 

[Keef]

I hope there are no other variations of the car in this game because that would simply prove the point that PD is wasting even more resources on EVs than they should be. They've already wasted a slot for.......the Mitsubishi FTO for example. Let's not waste another slot for the DC5 Type R or a Pulsar GTR.

 

[MisterWaffles]

I wonder if the Ioniq race will have the two cars on the right as skins. Similar to how the ND Roadster have the NR-A in factory colors and the Mazda Spirit Racing liveries.
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It’d be cool but we’re at the point to where a livery being in the game or not officially doesn’t really matter. They’re all going to be available within an hour of the update dropping as styles.

 

[jonoholland29]

so instead of developing new content, they've been learning to play the clarinet...

Chill out everyone - it was obviously a joke. I don’t seriously think they’re learning woodwind instruments at work…

 

[05XR8]

I hope there are no other variations of the car in this game because that would simply prove the point that PD is wasting even more resources on EVs than they should be. They've already wasted a slot for.......the Mitsubishi FTO for example. Let's not waste another slot for the DC5 Type R or a Pulsar GTR.

They have more options than we do to cook up liveries. It wouldn’t be any trouble adding two liveries to a car.

It’d be cool but we’re at the point to where a livery being in the game or not officially doesn’t really matter. They’re all going to be available within an hour of the update dropping as styles.

For sure. We don’t have whole racing cars because of the livery editor.

 

[LSFDRX]

Then there’s the sheer weight. And you highlight handling? Good one.

It is a good one, backed by the opinions of professionals and car lovers.

So weight means a car can't handle well now? I agree that lighter weight is a huge benefit in the way a car moves through the world, but weight is NOT the be all end all of handling, and it's extremely short sighted to think so. For reference you can simply look at the LARGE number of "heavy" vehicles out right now that are celebrated for their excellent handling (CT5 BW: 4200lbs, BMW M2 3,900lbs, Cayenne Turbo GT 5,055lbs, AMG SL 4,200lbs, Urus Performante 4,740lbs, Corvette E-ray 4000lbs, Maserati Grecale 4,100lbs... and on and on) but what does Car and Driver, Road and Track, or Motor Trend know?

And don't forget, you're mad about a new free choice that you're welcome to avoid, and also don't know what else comes along with it. Hopefully more N cars, as they are nearly universally praised for they way they drive.

I don't really understand how you're equating this with automotive and racing enthusiasm.

Video games have nothing to do with futurology. They're entertainment, that's it. They are a way for players to escape the troubles of reality by doing whatever they want, be it fantasy worlds or battle or hearing the sound and passion of race cars we'll never be able to drive.

Unfortunately PD seems to have partnered with several car companies, all of whom do have something to do with futurology, as they're not in the business of entertainment, they're in the business of selling products that comply with ever-stringent government regulations which are not compatible with a fantasy world full of the loud fire breating race cars of yore. All these car companies are currently wrestling with how to market products which are basically fake sports cars, and this particular car is Hyundai's first attempt. PD is partnering with these companies in a marketing exercise basically to see how real car enthusiasts react to cars like these. They're allowing the car brands to push their agenda within the game and gathering data in the process. I find that pretty ridiculous and an offensive waste of resources, as I didn't buy and play the game as some sort of marketing experiment, I bought it to be entertained.

Another layer to this is that as the car industry evolves rapidly and governments go to war against sports cars and race cars, these vehicles are going extinct at an alarming pace. Not only do we enthusiasts want to be entertained and distracted from the fact that we may only have a decade left to buy a new Miata that sounds and feels like a Miata, but PD could also treat us to a history lesson as they've done with some cars in the game, and make an effort to preserve all sorts of cars in a digital realm. Cars that are harder to find to day than a new Lamborghini hybrid, because most of them have rusted away in junkyards or been tucked away in collections. Classic cars that don't cost $20 million (another ridiculous nod to a reality we all have to face) like old kei cars and various things that have appeared in previous games but aren't included anymore. PD could have a defacto digital database of automotive preservation which sounds extremely entertaining to me. If I want to see a new Lambo or a new EV all I have to do is go downtown. Seeing a 1985 crapbox from Japan is a different story. Seeing a Group B rally car that pits fire is a different story. Hell, seeing first-gen Toyota 4Runner with no rust holes is a whole different story.

Another problem is that cars like the Ioniq N are basically just results of midguided government freak-outs. Attacking sports cars, a miniscule market segment which consumes a fraction of a percentage of the automotive industry's resources and produces an even smaller amount of its emissions, and race cars which are a tinier fraction still, is a ridiculous injustice that is not truly driven by data. It's driven by emotional reaction and political greed. These tiny market segements are easy targets with small but passionate fanbases, so forcing them to evolve looks like progress on a campaign ad but actually is an example of the minimum effort being taken by regulators and corporations while also pissing off as few consumers as possible. It's a farce. They're literally lying to our faces - sports car don't need to go electric at all because there aren't enough of them to matter, but school buses and semi trucks and ocean liners and millions upon millions of faceless grocery getters could all go electric with minimal backlash because they are primary contributors to emissions and there is zero passion attached to any of them. If they actually gave a damn about data and reason they would realize these tiny markets are a drop in the bucket. Their fanbases might be small, but they are passionate enough to mount counter-movements like SEMA and PRI, the latter of which I'll be attending this year. I've donated my money and time to supporting the Performance Racing Industry political movement, have you? Or are you not interested in data-driven regulation rather than politics for politics sake?

As for PD's contribution, I'll use this example because on the surface it seems ridiculous but it's pretty apt. We could be entertained by an extremely rare vehicle which began a whole new era of affordable and reliable capability and which lead to the rise of automotive enthusiasts using their vehicles to explore the wilderness. A whole new era of man and machine, a celebration of mechanical toughness, a tool for enjoyment and engagement, one of many definitive examples of automotive enthusiasm. And the foundation this vehicle laid continues to grow today as one of the most popular market segments that attempts to express the freedom of owning a cool, fun, capable vehicle. I've got one of this vehicle's successors sitting in my driveway next to my sports car, in fact. We could've had this historically significant machine:

Instead, we're getting a government-mandated corporate marketing experiment with fake gears. By submitting to Hyundai and including the Ioniq N, PD is enabling the political farce that is destroying sports cars and race cars and replacing them with refrigerators and I find that highly offensive.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... what a wall of text, My anti-intellectualism comment specifically addresses people clearly judging something for which they have ZERO knowledge of. Making judgements about something with zero supporting evidence is... wait for it... anti-intellectual.

That wall you wrote is at best misguided, and full of emotional opinion.

You say sports cars are dying when we live in automotive valhalla. You could argue that the manual transmission is a endangered species, but sports cars as a whole? Ridiculous. I'm not going to waste a second listing all the amazing sporting/enthusiast vehicles available RIGHT NOW because I'm not in the habit of explaining things that are blatantly obvious, especially to anyone who might consider themselves an enthusiast.

You are making an entire mountain out of nothing and arguing with yourself. That said, I agree that governments are misguided in the way they approach emissions full stop. There's no argument from me there. The real polluters live on unaddressed while we're supposed to bear the burden with our vehicles contributing very little to the problem. But that doesn't have anything to do with a single Hyundai EV in GT7. We're not here addressing global concerns based on less than 1% of cars in a video game being electric... and reflecting reality. Let's also not forget that EVs have existed longer than ICE vehicles.

It's noble that you support PRI, but I would imagine that both them and SEMA are supportive of engaging EVs as they move the hobby forward and still provide great bases for modification... even with their lack of pistons. SEMA has added the "electrified" component to their show. Did you write them to complain about their terrible alliance with the EV overlords or for "pushing an agenda"? I doubt it. They're in the business of protecting our hobby's past and supporting its future, and the future doesn't always include hydrocarbons, yet you're complaining about more options for the enthusiast consumer. You're welcome to sensationalize this and conflate things if you wish, but your opinions are not relevant to this discussion, and your ire is baseless. The I5N is one sporting EV in GT7 amongst a sea of ICE cars spanning decades, not some tool for advancing misdirected government overreach.

I find it very funny that you use a first-generation 4-Runner as some sort of metric by which we should base anything in this game. I don't think it's a popular opinion that SUVs are in the game based on many comments I've seen on these boards. The dislike of them probably ranks right up there with the dislike of EVs. SUVs are seen by many as the bane of the enthusiasts existence, yet you point to one to support your argument? Ok then... good luck with that.

Let it be known that I am not in the camp that rejects SUVs. I'm a huge fan of SUVs that do what they're supposed to so, much like that 4-runner. I enjoy the Urus, am glad it's an option for us, and would like more modern sporting SUVs added. My first vehicle was an '82 Toyota pickup on 35s, and I owned a grey '87 4-runner that I rebuilt the 22R in, left mostly stock and enjoyed for many years... the friend I sold it to still does. I also helped build a first-gen Runner that we put a 2JZ into, made 2WD, put an SC300 front subframe in, and 4-linked a Ford 8.8 under. I'm from the NW... we're no strangers to early Toyotas. That said, I can't imagine a more uninspiring vehicle to put in game when it comes to dynamics. I love 'em, but a second gen Toyota is about at the bottom of the list of what I would consider a sporting or good handling vehicle. In GT7 it would simply be a customization template, not anything fun to drive in near stock form. There are many cars in the world that I love but have no desire to have in GT7. Once again, I find what you're saying irrelevant to this discussion.

Regardless, there's my own wall. I'd suggest you go watch some reviews of the I5N, and try to weight your dislike of it against the smiles on everyone's faces as they hustle it around a race track. While we do agree on some things, I would suggest aiming your misgivings somewhere it's actually relevant. I for one am going to have a ball with this heavy, soulless, fake appliance. I'm sorry you won't.

 

[Scaff]

Then there’s the sheer weight. And you highlight handling? Good one.

I'm yet to come across a road or track review, that despite the weight, hasn't said the car doesn't both handles the weight well and is a great handling car. Most agree that it's easily one of the best handling EVs yet made.

"Most of the time, it feels like a car that weighs 400kg or so less than it really does."

"As we gradually up the pace, it begins to feel like a more traditional 4WD performance car: if you attack a corner, it swiftly settles, takes a set and arcs through the bend with a little bit of yaw. With the low centre of gravity, there’s no untidiness on corner exit and – unusually for an EV – you can start to get into something of a flow. "

"it’s far more agile than one might ever expect of such a heavy car. In some ways it’s reminiscent of cars such as the AMG GLA 45, although it’s a little less adjustable and you can feel the extra mass through some of the circuit’s quicker corners. Here’s the thing though: it made me smile, it made me giggle and I had a great time driving it. More so than I’d expected. "

"there’s little doubt that Hyundai has produced one of the most convincing electric performance cars yet"

Hyundai Ioniq 5 N 2024 review – the most engaging EV yet | Evo

Hyundai has used every trick in the book – and written a few new ones – to make the Ioniq 5 N fun to drive. The results are truly impressive

www.evo.co.uk

Now you may have some experience that disputes the above (and the many other similar reviews), but I seriously doubt it.

The cars place as an engaging automotive product gives it a place in driving/racing titles, the only question is if GT7 can do it justice.

 

[MisterWaffles]

I'm yet to come across a road or track review, that despite the weight, hasn't said the car doesn't both handles the weight well and is a great handling car. Most agree that it's easily one of the best handling EVs yet made.

"Most of the time, it feels like a car that weighs 400kg or so less than it really does."

"As we gradually up the pace, it begins to feel like a more traditional 4WD performance car: if you attack a corner, it swiftly settles, takes a set and arcs through the bend with a little bit of yaw. With the low centre of gravity, there’s no untidiness on corner exit and – unusually for an EV – you can start to get into something of a flow. "

"it’s far more agile than one might ever expect of such a heavy car. In some ways it’s reminiscent of cars such as the AMG GLA 45, although it’s a little less adjustable and you can feel the extra mass through some of the circuit’s quicker corners. Here’s the thing though: it made me smile, it made me giggle and I had a great time driving it. More so than I’d expected. "

"there’s little doubt that Hyundai has produced one of the most convincing electric performance cars yet"

Hyundai Ioniq 5 N 2024 review – the most engaging EV yet | Evo

Hyundai has used every trick in the book – and written a few new ones – to make the Ioniq 5 N fun to drive. The results are truly impressive

www.evo.co.uk

Now you may have some experience that disputes the above (and the many other similar reviews), but I seriously doubt it.

The cars place as an engaging automotive product gives it a place in driving/racing titles, the only question is if GT7 can do it justice.

I hope it handles as well as the Automotive journalists claim in the game.

In GT7, especially with the new Porsche Mission X, most electric cars seem to like travelling in a straight line, and they forgot to put brakes or rubber on any of the four wheels. It genuinely feels like trying to drive a bobsled where it goes like stink in a straight line and any sort of turning input or braking input is merely a suggestion.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed driving any of the EVs ever added to Gran Turismo, so I'm hoping Hyundai is coming in with a win here.

 

[Scaff]

I hope it handles as well as the Automotive journalists claim in the game.

In GT7, especially with the new Porsche Mission X, most electric cars seem to like travelling in a straight line, and they forgot to put brakes or rubber on any of the four wheels. It genuinely feels like trying to drive a bobsled where it goes like stink in a straight line and any sort of turning input or braking input is merely a suggestion.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed driving any of the EVs ever added to Gran Turismo, so I'm hoping Hyundai is coming in with a win here.

Hence my caveat about GT7 doing it justice, to-date my best experience with an EV in a game would have to be the Cupra Leon eRacer in RaceRoom.

 

[syntex123]

(...)PD is enabling the political farce that is destroying sports cars and race cars and replacing them with refrigerators and I find that highly offensive.

Have you seen the new Jaguar? That is offensive, my friend.

 

[coryclifford]

Look, not a wall of text!

Realise you’re going fast as heck?
Seems like not.
Drive a real car ever?

 

[ScottPuss20]

I wonder if the Ioniq race will have the two cars on the right as skins. Similar to how the ND Roadster have the NR-A in factory colors and the Mazda Spirit Racing liveries.
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It's going to look like one of those celebrity races if this does turn out to be the case.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

I hope there are no other variations of the car in this game because that would simply prove the point that PD is wasting even more resources on EVs than they should be. They've already wasted a slot for.......the Mitsubishi FTO for example. Let's not waste another slot for the DC5 Type R or a Pulsar GTR.

A moment of silence for all the cars that aren't in the game because of one Hyundai, more hypothetical Hyundais and false dilemmas.
...
I feel the pain. I've been waiting many years for a premium FTO, Midget II, Mercury Cougar XR-7, NB MX-5 etc.

PD have modelled around 60 premium cars per year on average. Some variations like fantasy Gr.3 cars take a long time to design, other variations like the two E30s, monoposto VGTs, Jimnys, 356s, 993 Carrera RS and RS CS take only a fraction of the time to produce the second car, and add detail to the car list.

If one's already made the effort of modelling the 5 N, it'd be efficient to also add the TA Spec, which only differs in having a stripped interior (same dashboard), roll cage, and some Pikes Peak aero.

PD's resources are not perfectly aligned with any of our wishlists, but we can't claim new cars have jumped the queue and forced particular fan-favourite cars into the backlog without evidence. For all we know, the FTO could be ready and waiting for when a trailer needs a nostalgia injection, or it could be next in the Mitsubishi specialist's work queue after they finish the 70s Galant FTO; we don't know.

 

[Scaff]

Unfortunately PD seems to have partnered with several car companies....

It's kind of a requirement unless you want only fantasy cars.

All these car companies are currently wrestling with how to market products which are basically fake sports cars, and this particular car is Hyundai's first attempt. PD is partnering with these companies in a marketing exercise basically to see how real car enthusiasts react to cars like these.

Yep, Hyundai are totally and utterly reliant on PD and the data they collect to understand how to market a car they released in March 2024!

In other news, Hyundai have also mastered time travel.

They're allowing the car brands to push their agenda within the game and gathering data in the process. I find that pretty ridiculous and an offensive waste of resources, as I didn't buy and play the game as some sort of marketing experiment, I bought it to be entertained.

You don't think that PD/Sony are gathering a whole heap of marketing and preference data out of you already via GT7?

Another layer to this is that as the car industry evolves rapidly and governments go to war against sports cars and race cars, these vehicles are going extinct at an alarming pace. Not only do we enthusiasts want to be entertained and distracted from the fact that we may only have a decade left to buy a new Miata that sounds and feels like a Miata, but PD could also treat us to a history lesson as they've done with some cars in the game, and make an effort to preserve all sorts of cars in a digital realm. Cars that are harder to find to day than a new Lamborghini hybrid, because most of them have rusted away in junkyards or been tucked away in collections. Classic cars that don't cost $20 million (another ridiculous nod to a reality we all have to face) like old kei cars and various things that have appeared in previous games but aren't included anymore. PD could have a defacto digital database of automotive preservation which sounds extremely entertaining to me. If I want to see a new Lambo or a new EV all I have to do is go downtown. Seeing a 1985 crapbox from Japan is a different story. Seeing a Group B rally car that pits fire is a different story. Hell, seeing first-gen Toyota 4Runner with no rust holes is a whole different story.

Ah, the anyone who doesn't agree with me isn't a real car enthusiast argument, yeah, that would be a logical fallacy.

Another problem is that cars like the Ioniq N are basically just results of midguided government freak-outs.

You mean like every car ever made has been subject to some form of government legislation?

As for PD's contribution, I'll use this example because on the surface it seems ridiculous but it's pretty apt. We could be entertained by an extremely rare vehicle which began a whole new era of affordable and reliable capability and which lead to the rise of automotive enthusiasts using their vehicles to explore the wilderness. A whole new era of man and machine, a celebration of mechanical toughness, a tool for enjoyment and engagement, one of many definitive examples of automotive enthusiasm. And the foundation this vehicle laid continues to grow today as one of the most popular market segments that attempts to express the freedom of owning a cool, fun, capable vehicle. I've got one of this vehicle's successors sitting in my driveway next to my sports car, in fact. We could've had this historically significant machine:

Are we getting to the root cause now, PD didn't include the car I want.

Quite frankly, I personally have far less desire to see your pic in GT7 over the 5N, GT has never done loose service physics well at all, and the 5N is a significantly more capable track and road car. Now lobby for it to be in the likes of BeamNG and I would be 100% behind you.

Instead, we're getting a government-mandated corporate marketing experiment with fake gears.

Pure misdirection, yes government legislation has moved manufacturers in the direction of EV's, but no mandate from them demanded that Hyundai actually make a version that has been praised by the motoring press as actually handling very well and being both fun and engaging to drive.

By submitting to Hyundai and including the Ioniq N, PD is enabling the political farce that is destroying sports cars and race cars and replacing them with refrigerators and I find that highly offensive.

Yep, Hyundai came a round and kicked Kaz's puppy until he relented.

 

[Nielsen]

It is a good one, backed by the opinions of professionals and car lovers.

So weight means a car can't handle well now? I agree that lighter weight is a huge benefit in the way a car moves through the world, but weight is NOT the be all end all of handling, and it's extremely short sighted to think so. For reference you can simply look at the LARGE number of "heavy" vehicles out right now that are celebrated for their excellent handling (CT5 BW: 4200lbs, BMW M2 3,900lbs, Cayenne Turbo GT 5,055lbs, AMG SL 4,200lbs, Urus Performante 4,740lbs, Corvette E-ray 4000lbs, Maserati Grecale 4,100lbs... and on and on) but what does Car and Driver, Road and Track, or Motor Trend know?

You have to understand that weight hinders agility. You may enjoy the handling of a Cayenne, but it has to make the best of its inherent disadvantages.

And don't forget, you're mad about a new free choice that you're welcome to avoid, and also don't know what else comes along with it. Hopefully more N cars, as they are nearly universally praised for they way they drive.

I’m not exactly mad. I’m only explaining why I think the game is better off without EVs.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... what a wall of text, My anti-intellectualism comment specifically addresses people clearly judging something for which they have ZERO knowledge of. Making judgements about something with zero supporting evidence is... wait for it... anti-intellectual.

You’re in deep waters with all of this.

I'm yet to come across a road or track review, that despite the weight, hasn't said the car doesn't both handles the weight well and is a great handling car. Most agree that it's easily one of the best handling EVs yet made.

"Most of the time, it feels like a car that weighs 400kg or so less than it really does."

"As we gradually up the pace, it begins to feel like a more traditional 4WD performance car: if you attack a corner, it swiftly settles, takes a set and arcs through the bend with a little bit of yaw. With the low centre of gravity, there’s no untidiness on corner exit and – unusually for an EV – you can start to get into something of a flow. "

"it’s far more agile than one might ever expect of such a heavy car. In some ways it’s reminiscent of cars such as the AMG GLA 45, although it’s a little less adjustable and you can feel the extra mass through some of the circuit’s quicker corners. Here’s the thing though: it made me smile, it made me giggle and I had a great time driving it. More so than I’d expected. "

"there’s little doubt that Hyundai has produced one of the most convincing electric performance cars yet"

Hyundai Ioniq 5 N 2024 review – the most engaging EV yet | Evo

Hyundai has used every trick in the book – and written a few new ones – to make the Ioniq 5 N fun to drive. The results are truly impressive

www.evo.co.uk

Now you may have some experience that disputes the above (and the many other similar reviews), but I seriously doubt it.

The cars place as an engaging automotive product gives it a place in driving/racing titles, the only question is if GT7 can do it justice.

There will always be cars that stand out from their peers. This doesn’t mean they are ideal. Their extra ballast can be distributed to great effect, but ultimately it’s not beneficial to carry around.

 

[Scaff]

There will always be cars that stand out from their peers.

So you're arguing that a car that stands out from it's peers has no place in driving/racing games?

This doesn’t mean they are ideal.

No car is.

Their extra ballast can be distributed to great effect, but ultimately it’s not beneficial to carry around.

So what is the weight cap that PD should implement for cars to be included in GT7?

 

[Nielsen]

So you're arguing that a car that stands out from it's peers has no place in driving/racing games?

No. I wouldn’t even argue that EVs have no place in racing games. They just fail to bring out the best in GT7, because the game and its fun potential has been designed around ICE conventions since Gran Turismo was first envisioned in the 1990s.

No car is.

True, but with EVs it’s straightforward to pinpoint the reason why you wouldn’t choose the BMW i4 over the BMW M4 if agility is your priority.

So what is the weight cap that PD should implement for cars to be included in GT7?

None. The game doesn’t cater to my needs only.

 

[05XR8]

It's not just heavy EVs(compared to some not so heavy EVs) in GT7. There are winged and very fast around the Nurburgring EVs.

 

[Meythia]

because the game and its fun potential has been designed around ICE

I dont see anything alike Gran Fossil-Fuel-required Turismo. In fact Gran Turismo to me always seemed more like a car-collecting game, moreso in its older version than currently.
I dont like EV sport cars myself, because they usually just overblow on power, but saying they dont be agile is wrong in the same as Bugatti is not agile: not designed to be.
Even on the more sporty road cars, all of them weighing around 1.5 tonnes, that is much too heavy.

 

[Nakano219]

It's not just heavy EVs(compared to some not so heavy EVs) in GT7. There are winged and very fast around the Nurburgring EVs.

I don't blame people for forgetting this, to be fair - the game's event list is basically custom made to make the ID.R as unusable and forgettable as possible (can't enter road car events, can't reduce PP enough for the lower-tier race events, battery doesn't last long enough to be viable in the race events it can enter, even restricted to one-makes in custom races).

 

[05XR8]

The Audi is good as well. Since the update, I haven't driven one to see how far it will go on a charge.