I don't enter races anymore

[Sonzilla]

I just wanted to get this off my chest bare with me.
How many of you guys feel that GT4's racing completions are not fun anymore?
I just realized I don't even enter a race anymore and it's been a long time since.
I tried a professional race and find it not even challenging. The AI's,......I'm not even going to go there but you know what I mean. All this game is good for now is Time Trial and 2player mode. Thank god for the WRS and the weekly Tunning Competition's and the over 700 cars or this game will probably be collecting dust. Honestly this game has so many flaws it's not even funny anymore. We all know that there are driving simulators out now that have things that I wish GT would have thought of but I really thought these things should have been in GT4 to begin with.

What yall think?

 

[Luca]

Yeah, I agree. I am at 95.5% (just the difficult driving missions left, and two of the Formula GT races) and I don't even use GT Mode anymore. It's Arcade Mode all the way for me. I just drive stock cars around various tracks and try to perfect my line. And I've only had the game for about three months.

 

[Master_Yoda]

I find it fun..... You just need to set it up right.

 

[RICHARDO]

I enjoy "track days" (Practice Mode with other cars) and rallying more than I do "competitive" racing. But if I need a car, I don't mind it.

 

[SirBerra]

It's most likely the reason a lot of us are going for 200 A-spec points in a race. It brings back some life into the game and makes racing a little more competitive (and might force cheating and other inventive ways of winning). Still things do become a little more interesting or challenging.

If I remember correctly, in GT2 you'd need almost every mod just to win some races. Now you might only need to buy a set of softer tires to win races. It's a pity that with all the eye candy and PS2 computing power that the game engine is so lacking. I'm just an average driver so I really feel sorry for those guys that are really good and use steering wheels also. Their victories must seem pretty hollow.

Otherwise, I'd have to agree with you that the AI is lame and cars can be too easily modded to slaughter the rest of the field. I don't think I'll ever have the time to race my 700 car garage. Maybe when I'm a really old man with nothing else to do.

 

[cerpin_taxt]

i enjoy going around the track bacwards and crashing into other racers.

 

[Tornado]

I just B-Spec everything these days. I play GT3 more often than 4, so unless I'm doing settings I just use B-Spec.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I just wanted to get this off my chest bare with me.
How many of you guys feel that GT4's racing completions are not fun anymore?
I just realized I don't even enter a race anymore and it's been a long time since.
I tried a professional race and find it not even challenging. The AI's,......I'm not even going to go there but you know what I mean. What yall think?

I think you either just like stirring the proverbial pot, or didn't realize that you do not always have to use cars with or without mods that easily out perform the AI opponents. Use a Mini in the Formula GT World Championship... then come back and tell us all how easy it was for you to win. Geez.

Show some restraint selecting cars next time before you rant how easy it is to beat the AI. For the most part, GT4 allows a wide variety of car selections, many of which don't have a prayer of ever winning some of those races. If you are bored its because you only select sure winners... don't blame the game on your selection process.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I find it fun, although the long races such as Formula GT World takes away my slightest hope of completing the game.

 

[Sonzilla]

I think you either just like stirring the proverbial pot, or didn't realize that you do not always have to use cars with or without mods that easily out perform the AI opponents. Use a Mini in the Formula GT World Championship... then come back and tell us all how easy it was for you to win. Geez.

Show some restraint selecting cars next time before you rant how easy it is to beat the AI. For the most part, GT4 allows a wide variety of car selections, many of which don't have a prayer of ever winning some of those races. If you are bored its because you only select sure winners... don't blame the game on your selection process.

Believe me I'm in no way selecting winners.lol I've won this game over about twice now. I tried slow cars, historic cars you name it I tried it. Did the 200 aspec several times that was challenging . But it gets lame pretty quick because your only racing one car. I never enter a race that has less than 160 aspec points to begin with. That's the LAW in my book 👍 ...
Seriously I guess I'm running out of ideas the only thing holding me is the GTP Competitions and racing my friend that's it.
I just had to let it out sorry.lol

 

[Sonzilla]

Yeah, I agree. I am at 95.5% (just the difficult driving missions left, and two of the Formula GT races) and I don't even use GT Mode anymore. It's Arcade Mode all the way for me. I just drive stock cars around various tracks and try to perfect my line. And I've only had the game for about three months.

Same here...

Another thing I do is test all kinds of different cars with my friend like Top Gear, lol it gets very interesting. Thank God for all these cars.

But I got to give it to PD for making all these cars so unique. It's like Christmas, you never know what Santa may bring you.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

So you won the Formula GT World Championship driving a Mini have you?

Seriously, there are countless car/race combos to be used that even in the best capable hands will not result in a stroll down victory lane. If you have not discovered them, you aren't trying.

I completely understand why many games get boring due to the fact that unlike GT4, many are very limited in the choices and strategy you can employ throughout the game. However, this is simply not the case here. GT4 has a very open format, offering unbelievable amounts of variation in choices and strategies. Blaming the AI when you have so much freedom just does not make sense.

Maybe your boredom is simply with the game itself. I know I went through that several months ago, and only got back into it after having been away from it for a long time. Maybe all you need is a vacation from it for a while.

 

[Mr.SpEEd]

since that poliphony digital took out the racing car modifications at gt2 it was no more fun for me(i liked gt3 but not as much that i liked gt2).
now days I B-spec' any race that i enter.
nothing is as good as old times

 

[<_Spike_>]

If it wasn't for the want of maxing A and B Spec points and golding licences, I probably would be playing it more then once a week. Even a challenging race doesn't seem fun any more.

 

[Smallhorses]

The game is a fun as you want to make it. 👍
If you're insisting on entering every race by bending the rules as far as possible with regards to tyre restrictions e.g. entering on R5s, and taking advantage of the lack of HP restriction on many series, then you'll soon get bored.
I agree, where's the fun in destroying FWD mildy-warm Euro hatches in the Sunday cup in an 800HP Skyline?
However, if you're prepared to spend sometime researching lineups and car combinations, I guarantee you'll find some pleasant surprises.

Have a look at the championship series report links halfway down this page, and tell me if they sound in the least bit boring? The NSX at Laguna report is a feckin' beauty too!!!

Then try something similar yourself.

 

[CkDevil]

I could say the game is not interesting anymore after I completed it and allmost got al the licenses 100% completed, but why would I play the game 4 or 5 times in a week ...

I think it's true that the races aren't fun enough sometimes, I think there need to be some more rules to enter a race (so you can choose easy,medium or hard/extreme with different money prizes). 200 points races though are often challenging enough... but I think it's just that you need to overtake 5 cars and then you're first ...

Now I'm just maxing my cars out, playing with drifferent settings... and making the ultimate drifters or grip handlers ... I think I will keep playing this game every week till GT5 comes out... so it IS interesting for me...

 

[red70mach1]

On one of my memory cards, I only use to develop car setups and do track meets at certain tracks.

 

[Luca]

So you won the Formula GT World Championship driving a Mini have you?

Seriously, there are countless car/race combos to be used that even in the best capable hands will not result in a stroll down victory lane. If you have not discovered them, you aren't trying.

I completely understand why many games get boring due to the fact that unlike GT4, many are very limited in the choices and strategy you can employ throughout the game. However, this is simply not the case here. GT4 has a very open format, offering unbelievable amounts of variation in choices and strategies. Blaming the AI when you have so much freedom just does not make sense.

Maybe your boredom is simply with the game itself. I know I went through that several months ago, and only got back into it after having been away from it for a long time. Maybe all you need is a vacation from it for a while.

I don't agree with you here. The problem with racing AI opponents is that unless you get a car that can outperform every other car (at least by a tiny margin), it's actually impossible to win. Like you said, you can't win a Formula GT race in a Mini. It just can't be done. But if you enter the Mini race with a Formula GT car, you're just as guaranteed to win as you were guaranteed to lose when it's the other way around.

The problem is that it's really hard to find races that are still possible to win but present a legitimate challenge. It's even harder to find races that are possible to win but present just a mild challenge. For people like me who really enjoy racing technique and the realistic driving that GT4 provides, but who aren't experts, it's maddening trying to find a race that's competitive but at the same time not too difficult.

Furthermore, the AI just compounds the headache. Since the AI follows such a strict formula for racing, I don't feel there's any challenge in racing against them. It's just the same as a time trial, except you also have the added dimension of passing AI cars once in a while (as well as the continual frustration of the AI cars pushing you around the track). Personally, I'd rather compete against myself to hone my actual driving skills rather than spend all my time worrying about how to best trick my way past the computer drivers.

Oh, and in a race against AI drivers, it's either win or lose. You might win with a slower time than in an earlier attempt in which you lost. I like that if you just drive for the sake of driving, you can pay full attention to good driving and correcting the mistakes you made in your last lap. I like that the only obstacles to overcome are the ones I create for myself - I'm playing against my own ghost lap, not against some cheap AI opponent.

 

[Sonzilla]

Well said luca, you just summed it up for me. I started this thread to really talk about the AI's in race events. When you first play your playing to win and complete the game. When completed you find yourself looking back at the AI's as complete retards.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Excellent comments Smallhorses!

I don't agree with you here. The problem with racing AI opponents is that unless you get a car that can outperform every other car (at least by a tiny margin), it's actually impossible to win.

The problem is that it's really hard to find races that are still possible to win but present a legitimate challenge. It's even harder to find races that are possible to win but present just a mild challenge. For people like me who really enjoy racing technique and the realistic driving that GT4 provides, but who aren't experts, it's maddening trying to find a race that's competitive but at the same time not too difficult.

Doesn't sound like you disagree, other than that you find it hard to find the right car/set-up that makes for a close competitive race.

I certainly can sympathize with you in that regard... and was one of the reasons why I make sure to keep track of the performance and race times of the AI cars so that in future races I can select well matched cars/set-ups. I have even posted some of my data on the AI cars for those specific events so others, like yourself, who want a close competitive race, but are not familiar with the ability of the AI in those races, can easily select the right car and or set-up that results in close competitve lap and race times compared to the top finishing AI cars.

BTW: For races that have a wide variety of AI cars that are randomly selected, you can reset the field by simply going back to the main race select window. If you want a specific field of AI cars, just keep doing that until you have the field of cars that you want to race against.

 

[Luca]

Well, maybe I just haven't yet found the "perfect" race. One where I'm not guaranteed to win, but with good, careful driving and maybe one or two small mistakes I still can. The only exception is the Speedster race, where a fully decked-out Speedster Turbo can win but only if you race very cleanly (and that's not easy to do in a fully modified anything).

Perhaps if I were to find a well balanced race I might race some more, but even then I'm not sure. The fact that the AI is just a frustrating extra obstacle that prevents me from driving well doesn't help.

 

[Fireball27]

I think the problem really in the AI is the fact that they are completely rigid. What i mean by that is the never make a mistake, they never break down (i know that doesn't happen in this game... but still), they never stray off line... EVER.... Its like they have no idea you're there. That I don't like. The AI have absolutely no variations at all outside of what car they are.

Which brings up another point: Usually the AI fields such a range of cars that the conclusion of the race is foregone: Either the fastest AI car (the one with the most hp usually) wins, or you win. Which essentially makes all championships except the F1 championship a complete waste of time. As you will only be competing against that one "top dog" AI car. So while there maybe 6 cars in a race, its only really between 2. All others are superfluous. If the AI opponents were more dynamic and differed a little in driving style and what-not then it would make the game alot more challenging/intresting.

 

[mouser]

I find GT4 is much, much more fun if you tune down your cars a bit, then enter races. The races will be more fun and challenging when your car's performance is equal or lesser to the performance of the AI cars, it's always fun to draft the leader on the straight and win the race by seconds.

 

[BobK]

I think the problem really in the AI is the fact that they are completely rigid. What i mean by that is the never make a mistake, they never break down (i know that doesn't happen in this game... but still), they never stray off line... EVER.... Its like they have no idea you're there. That I don't like. The AI have absolutely no variations at all outside of what car they are.

Oh the AI cars make plenty of mistakes all right. Just watch a Ginetta at Nurburgring or a '69 Ford GT at Sarthe (either one). Or lots of cars on Autumn Ring Reverse. Or Infineon.

 

[Fireball27]

Oh the AI cars make plenty of mistakes all right. Just watch a Ginetta at Nurburgring or a '69 Ford GT at Sarthe (either one). Or lots of cars on Autumn Ring Reverse. Or Infineon.

No but you don't get it. Its not the AI's driving thats making the mistake, its the car. Its like they drive on a preprogramed line, the only difference between the various compeditors is the car. Some cars can't take certain corners the same as others, and therefore they make "mistakes". I would sooner call the GT40 and Ginetta's shenanigans glitches than "mistakes".

 

[Ermac26]

I agree with this thread. I'm mainly doing the Family Cup races or race in Arcade Mode because the race series are just boring to me because I can beat them with almost any given car in my garage. Noticed how I said " almost any given car..." I have yet to do 1 or 2 endurence races and mission 34 and the formula gt race, thats it. but been too bored with the game right to even bother finishing it yet I do want the black F1

 

[G.T]

I have the same problem. Well, I did a while back anyway...

I haven't played GT4 for a while until recently because I find it boring and quite unchallenging, but then I got the enthusiasm and decided to make it more fun for myself. Similar to what people have said in here already, I'm going to buy a stock car - obviously in the same class as the cars racing me - equip it with "N" tyres and see if I can beat the opposition. If the car I'm using is too fast, I try another car, if it's a decent match, it will be a challenge and a very good race, of it's too slow, I may tune it or use another car altogether. It may seem boring trying to find the right car to match the race, but it's worth the effort in the end. As a result I'm using a Mk5 Gold GTi in the Poloyphony Digital Cup at this very moment.

 

[Grayman222]

I mostly just do races if I want the rewards. When I just want to have fun I put a stock car on econo tires and do laps.

some can be easy to drive like a skyline gtr while others like one of the old ruf's can be a terror even on motorland.

 

[whh01]

This thread has some valid points. However, I just spent two days trying to win with a Opel Speedster Turbo in B-Spec mode at Infineon. You want a challenge - there you go. Do that and then get back to me. Sure, I have tons of money and can bully my way through to a win. But I enjoyed the frustration of tweaking the car and working B-Spec Bob just right. Squeezing that last turn pass by the non-turbo Speedster to eek out the win on lap 3 was very fun.

For those of you bored and looking for a challenge there are still some things in the game that are interesting. I have to agree with those that say it's not the games fault if you buy all the goodies (NOS included) and then lament that you blow away the competition. Try detuning your car until it becomes competitive. Don't use NOS. Get frustrated, try different things, take the game as far as you can in different ways. Have you gotten gold on all the licenses? Have you gone through the game as much as possible in B-Spec? Have you run an endurance race and won by less than one lap because your car is so equal to the others? That's what makes the game fun. Start from scratch with only 10 thousand dollars and get one car from the used car lot and try to win. Think outside the box.

For people like Famine, Scaff, and others that might poo-poo B-Spec I would say that it has it's own type of challenges in the same way that taking a Volvo wagon to the Grand Canyon is challenging. I am 87 percent done (my second time through) and I still find the game fun.

 

[BobK]

No but you don't get it. Its not the AI's driving thats making the mistake, its the car. Its like they drive on a preprogramed line, the only difference between the various compeditors is the car. Some cars can't take certain corners the same as others, and therefore they make "mistakes". I would sooner call the GT40 and Ginetta's shenanigans glitches than "mistakes".

Okay, I see your point now. You're saying the AI follows its line so relentlessly that it does so even when the car is incapable of doing so. Yeah, I can agree with that.