I dont understand what people want...

Some people on here call themselves GT fans but they complain about one thing or another that isnt up to their standards. I dont think thats the way a GT fan should act. In my opinion a GT fan shouls be happy with what KY gives us. I bet even if KY gave us his GT that he dreams about a lot of people will have something to complain about.

Being a fan of a game doesn't mean you can't be critical of it. I love GT and I'll play it pretty much whatever happens, but there's always going to be things that could be improved.

Just taking what you're given and being un-critically thankful is how games like NFS happen.
 
In my opinion, people should be free to express their views on how they perceive things without being ridiculed for it. The time trial is tough to get a decent time on, this has not met with many peoples expectations, and so they have every right to state their piece. If you as a "true GT fan" wish to accept anything that KY produces without question, then I feel sorry for you. Having said that, I'm sure you would be quick to express your dissatisfaction if GT5 ended up way off the promised mark.

If you have your favourite music artist, and one year they produce an album that you really don't like much, should you listen to it repeatedly anyway just because you feel you have to because it's your favourite artist? Maybe you would, but I know I wouldn't. I make my decisions based on the product itself, not the people or the brand behind it.

The main problem is that people think that PD somehow owe them something, when they've sacrificed time with their families and have already put countless hours into the game. Its sad to see people so bent out of shape over a demo or "lack" of information.
Wheres damage, wheres smoke, i want more tracks.
All of which will be in the final game.
PD needs to market their game better, wheres the livery editor?
GT4 sold over 10 million copies, and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its there.

Being critically is fine, but if its not valid like those examples it just becomes whinging.

The score you get in a time trial doesn't determine your ending position in a race, so its fine that you got 1,41 after numerous attempts(TC) 👍
 
In my opinion, people should be free to express their views on how they perceive things without being ridiculed for it.
Well, people are free to express themselves - except perhaps on Microsoft forums - but too often, some folk abuse the privilege. And it does get old. I think you regretted a few of your own posts.

As with everything GT, and this being the web, people grouch a lot. As usual, most of it is unwarranted. Take Forza 3. It has problems, some of which are amazingly brain dead. Public lobbies and searches are gone. File handling is poor. The tire sounds are still the worst in racing games. Driver views could be better. The physics could be better. But... for Forza, they're very good, and if T10 changed it to be more like a sim, I have little doubt that they would alienate perhaps half their fan base or more. They're used to a certain flavor of racing and drifting, and that flavor isn't so far off the mark from real driving. Yes, it's very hard to wreck a car's settings so it's almost undrivable, yes, drifting is a bit too easy. But despite what Dan G says about his product, it's aimed squarely at the pick up n race kid. The DLC is practically all supercars and race cars.

Gran Turismo is a little different. It's a pick up n race game. But it's also a car enthusiast game, a motorsports fan game, and it's not quite as easy. Turn on all the assists, use an automatic tranny, and you're slower. You have to think more about how you approach GT games, and so people grouch. And this kind of grouching isn't helpful to anyone.

I see no problem with how the Time Trial Demo was marketed, but I do see a lot of people who expected to be within a tenth of a second of the leaders because... I don't know, divine right or something.

Gran Turismo seems to be fated to make a number of people unhappy. Oh well on them. ;)
 
Not everybody can be a Michael Schumacher, a Sebastien Loeb, a Tony Schumacher, a Jimmie Johnson, a Frank Kimmel or a Steve Kinser. These drivers dominate their respective series or did dominate during the time they were in it. BUT unlike a racing series in real life, the virtual racing cars are all alike. Everybody has the same equipment and in this demo we pretty much have all the same settings. So if you don't have what it takes to be #1, you're probably not going to be #1 but if you do have what it takes then keep playing till you get that perfit lap :D
 
Think about it, guys. Do you have any idea of the amount of hours the top 250 players have put into GT over the years? I play GT a lot and I don't think I've put in 25% of the driving time of some of those guys. Those are the kind of sick people that actually prefer driving stock Minis over Corvette C6R's. Don't compare yourself to them. I, for one, am happy with my 1'38.3 and have given up hope of trying to break into the 37's. I just play to have fun. I'm not even thinking about purchasing a wheel either. The control pad has been good to me. Hopefully, Polyphony will have another couple of demo TT's for us after this one is finished.

Ok so many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. Sick people? since I am actually quite good at the TT demo I can confirm that is false. I am not mentally ill by any stretch of the imagination. Yes I have a life, girlfriend, and friends. And why would a skilled driver prefer driving a stock Cooper over a C6R? That makes no sense whatsoever. Where are you getting this? Please explain. You see there are some people in this world called car enthusiests, and most of them don't have the money to get alot of real track time. So they play driving simulaters because they live and breath motorsport and thats what interests them. They have a pretty good understanding of what makes a good lap time, and drive with precision thus they have an edge in the game and get top lap times. Find me someone in the top 250 who would drive a Mini over a C6R. There is none, if you really honestly believe that there is, you are the one who is sick.
 
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The main problem is that people think that PD somehow owe them something, when they've sacrificed time with their families and have already put countless hours into the game. Its sad to see people so bent out of shape over a demo or "lack" of information.
Wheres damage, wheres smoke, i want more tracks.
All of which will be in the final game.
PD needs to market their game better, wheres the livery editor?
GT4 sold over 10 million copies, and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its there.

Being critically is fine, but if its not valid like those examples it just becomes whinging.
Yep, I was a classic whinger about the difficulty of this time trial, but it is what it is and I stuck at it. I know what you mean though about what people expect out of games. To be honest, if all we got were GT5P level graphics or better, the new physics, the 1000 or so cars, a lot more tracks, and plenty of offline race challenges, I'd be happy. I don't really care much for damage, weather, day/night cycles, livery editors etc. If they are they, great, but those have to come way below the importance of having great cars to race on great tracks with great physics.

The score you get in a time trial doesn't determine your ending position in a race, so its fine that you got 1,41 after numerous attempts(TC) 👍
Hee hee, good job too, cos' I've only just broken through the 1:40 barrier myself! :lol:
 
With continuous practice people can improve their lap times. It' whether they want to put in the time or not. I've finally broken 1:37...mark. It took awhile but I'm slowly figuring out how to drive faster on the track.

Although I'm having fun with TT demo a more interesting track would have been nicer but since the point of the demo is to find the fastest player for the chance to attend GT academy I can live with what PD as given us.
 
And why would a skilled driver prefer driving a stock Cooper over a C6R? That makes no sense whatsoever. Where are you getting this? Please explain....

And why wouldn't they prefer a Mini over a C5R ? Both are cars that you can drive. Simple as that. Please explain...

... Find me someone in the top 250 who would drive a Mini over a C6R. There is none, if you really honestly believe that there is, you are the one who is sick.

I can say that I know people in the top 250 ( in canada) that prefer a Mini over a C5R (like me) because it is more chalenging in term of (no) grip, of less settings (driver made the difference). Personnally, I have no fun to drive R tires, like most of the drivers I know (took me time to convince them) because these are unreal tires that are too ''arcade mode''.

In my opinion, the best is this N1challenges (like GT4 cobra 427 on Suzuka, per example).
 
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In my opinion, people should be free to express their views on how they perceive things without being ridiculed for it. The time trial is tough to get a decent time on, this has not met with many peoples expectations, and so they have every right to state their piece. If you as a "true GT fan" wish to accept anything that KY produces without question, then I feel sorry for you. Having said that, I'm sure you would be quick to express your dissatisfaction if GT5 ended up way off the promised mark.

You have expressed your (Whinge) views many time. You are entitled to your views asa am I and I still ridicule those who whinge because 90% of those complaints are not waranted.

The time trial kept me entertained for about an hour but thats just the way I am. I get fed up of tweo cars and one track real fast but I still think the demo is great. I think the complaints of the graphiocs , dark dash (Its not dark on my TV) and all the other complaints arent waranted. I dont see what the problem is because some people expect more from the PS3 than its actuall capable of and the fact that they havent seen what the final game looks like. Even if the game looks like the demo I will be happy because I know the sacrifice PD have taken (They sleep at the PD building so they can work longer hours for gods sake) and I am greatful for what I get.

You better start feeling sorry for me because I will not question the final GT because I am a true GT fan that will enjoy GT5 for what it is and not what I want it to be.

And why would a skilled driver prefer driving a stock Cooper over a C6R? That makes no sense whatsoever. Where are you getting this? Please explain. You see there are some people in this world called car enthusiests, and most of them don't have the money to get alot of real track time. So they play driving simulaters because they live and breath motorsport and thats what interests them. They have a pretty good understanding of what makes a good lap time, and drive with precision thus they have an edge in the game and get top lap times. Find me someone in the top 250 who would drive a Mini over a C6R. There is none, if you really honestly believe that there is, you are the one who is sick.

I am a car enthusiast that cant afford an expensive car but I still enjoy driving the slow cars as much the fast cars. Just because your opinion of people that drive slower cars is that they are sick don't mean that car enthusiasts don't enjoy slow cars as much as fast cars. Another thing is the proper grammar is to not start a sentence with "AND".
 
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Steve30x. I don't mean to be a jerk here but you went off on fcautox for his grammer and in your post you spelled the word DON"T wrong two different times in two different ways. If you are going to riddicule someone on thier grammer then at least make sure your posts are gramaticaly correct.:dunce:
 
Steve30x. I don't mean to be a jerk here but you went off on fcautox for his grammer and in your post you spelled the word DON"T wrong two different times in two different ways. If you are going to riddicule someone on thier grammer then at least make sure your posts are gramaticaly correct.:dunce:

OK Boss lol. I aint perfect myself I know. Its been 18 years since I was in school so I lost some of my grammar skills over the years. I do my best though.
 
OK Boss lol. I aint perfect myself I know. Its been 18 years since I was in school so I lost some of my grammar skills over the years. I do my best though.

I am old too. Hell, I make mistakes as well, my spelling sucks! You looked like an ass correcting his grammar with miss punctuated words in your post and I looked like an ass for correcting you with miss spelled words in my post. :dunce: A couple of dummies here!
 
I am old too. Hell, I make mistakes as well, my spelling sucks! You looked like an ass correcting his grammar with miss punctuated words in your post and I looked like an ass for correcting you with miss spelled words in my post. :dunce: A couple of dummies here!
Dont worry about it. As humans we all make mistakes lol
 
We probably just killed this thread but it sucked anyway so oh well.:sly:

Most new threads on this forum suck lately. All I see is most people complaining about something that should'nt really matter if your playing GT the way it should be played instead of doing 2mph and analyzing the trees , grass , graphics and damage etc. or other people being nosey.
 
Most new threads on this forum suck lately. All I see is most people complaining about something that should'nt really matter if your playing GT the way it should be played instead of doing 2mph and analyzing the trees , grass , graphics and damage etc. or other people being nosey.

Totally agree with that! GT5 is going to be epic! Happy New Year!
 
Most new threads on this forum suck lately. All I see is most people complaining about something that should'nt really matter if your playing GT the way it should be played instead of doing 2mph and analyzing the trees , grass , graphics and damage etc. or other people being nosey.
To be fair though, for every post complaining, there is usually another one like yours counter-complaining about such posts...
 
Indy road course is hideous, and takes 50% of the enjoyment from the demo straigtaway, I've never liked it since I first saw it in real-life.

The other 50% enjoyment is taken away because I believe that it attaining anything close to the top times requires a G25/G27 set up. Easing the throttle and brakes, and matching that to steering input, with a standard 6-axis... it's so much more hit and miss than I believe the proper wheel set-up to be.

I played it on xmas day, I went from (approx) 18,000th to 15,000th, to 7000th to 5000th, in the UK rankings for the normal car, and I gave up the same day... not because I've done my best, but because I got bored of it... and even with persaverence I don't think I'd be anywhere near the top. I'm fine with that because I know what this 'demo' is about, but I wonder how many newer fans might be put off the full game because this demo is difficult, and only 0.002% of people are anywhere near posting a top time...

I'd like to introduce you to myself, 54th in the US, and more notably, R1600Turbo, 21st in the US.

However, I do agree that they either should have included either a second demo (not part of GT academy) or made this demo larger, to include standard physics, and possibly a second track.
 
Real demo would help GT5 sales more than academy competition that does not represtent full game at all. Most players might not ever understand what academy demo is and are ready to give up on buying the full game. It seems PD PR sucks still big time :)
 

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