I had to do it!

[LeGeNd-1]

Well, I have, too, beaten the Excuseo with a Cultus after failing twice. I think I've also beaten the Cultus with an FTO LM, I'm not too sure about that.

Everyone thinks the del Sol LM would make a good rally car, but in my opinion it don't. Even though it has a great power:weight ratio, it has an MR drivetrain which hampers it during acceleration out of corners, wheelspin and fishtailing is quite severe too. I much prefer the FTO LM as a rally car because it has 4WD, even though it's a bit less powerful.

Just curious: how does the Escudo's performance compares with F1 cars of its age? I bet it's not that far off.

superberkut: on flat tire accident.

I think though, the fact that the opponent is a ghost makes it easier to beat, because it always drives the same line, so you have a time to beat and not a car. You can just concentrate on your driving. If it's live, you have to think of blocking the car behind as well, not to mention human players are definitely more smarter than the AI.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Well, I have, too, beaten the Excuseo with a Cultus after failing twice. I think I've also beaten the Cultus with an FTO LM, I'm not too sure about that.

Everyone thinks the del Sol LM would make a good rally car, but in my opinion it don't. Even though it has a great power:weight ratio, it has an MR drivetrain which hampers it during acceleration out of corners, wheelspin and fishtailing is quite severe too. I much prefer the FTO LM as a rally car because it has 4WD, even though it's a bit less powerful.

Just curious: how does the Escudo's performance compares with F1 cars of its age? I bet it's not that far off.

I'm not sure off-hand. someone else here might know.

superberkut: on flat tire accident.

I think though, the fact that the opponent is a ghost makes it easier to beat, because it always drives the same line, so you have a time to beat and not a car. You can just concentrate on your driving. If it's live, you have to think of blocking the car behind as well, not to mention human players are definitely more smarter than the AI.

That's true.

 

[A.A.Z.]

how does the Escudo's performance compares with F1 cars of its age? I bet it's not that far off.

Take a look at Espace F1... So, 3.5 liter 10 cylinder naturally aspirated engine, not so much torque, power between 750 and 900 bhp. The weight of the F1 car (with the driver) is 605 kg, so its power to weight ratio is slightly better than the Escudo's. Additionally, the F1 cars have better aerodynamics.

 

[superberkut]

A good amount of the Escudo's weight may come with having two engines. Actually, that was our deceased Cultus.

With four-wheel drive, though, the power may be brought down more efficiently to the road, negated by the gravel the car always races on. No word on traction-assist systems for the car.

 

[phone]

I always thought the Escudo always had one engine and Cultus had two.
I read some where on here some where that the Escudo engine has twin turbos not twin engines,sorry.

 

[A.A.Z.]

Yep, the Cultus PP (which was built back in 1987) had twin-turbocharged twin-engine, 1.6 liter inline-4 cylinder each. The Escudo PP, however, had a twin-turbocharged 2.4 liter V6, hence less weight (no sophisticated clutch, no second engine).

 

[A.A.Z.]

I usually buy the Escudo just so I don't risk my 100% win percentage ...

I have beaten it with a del Sol LM once before ... Took me many tries, though ... I'll see if I can do it again tomorrow ...

I've spent a day and a night trying to beat Escudo with several cars, and now I'm confident that you can't beat the time of 1:48 with the del Sol LM. Never. Just impossible. The Cultus' time - yes, probably. But not the Escudo's.
I'm now trying to do it with the Celica Rally Car (the one with 569 bhp) - it's slightly worse than the FTO LM, but still waaaay better than the little MR Honda. My closest gap at the finish line was 1.3 seconds so far (about 8 seconds in del Sol's case).

PS This stuff, I think, is much more difficult than any gold license test. Just give it a try

 

[AOS-]

Wow I finally learned that the purple/blue pike peaks was a Cultus base! How ironic...
and the Escudo was a Vitara Base, Damn i'm slow.. but that's cool Escudo killed everything in GT2

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Thanks for the comparison AAZ, maybe someone can try this using the F1 cars in GT3/4 (I forget which game) versus an Escudo? Would be interesting to watch.

The Escudo has twin-engines with one each sitting above the axle, I think that also helps with traction somehow no? On TCS, I don't think the Escudo has one. We can buy and install one after all.

 

[A.A.Z.]

The Escudo has twin-engines with one each sitting above the axle, I think that also helps with traction somehow no? On TCS, I don't think the Escudo has one. We can buy and install one after all.

You mean, Cultus?..

 

[A.A.Z.]

I've spent a day and a night trying to beat Escudo with several cars, and now I'm confident that you can't beat the time of 1:48 with the del Sol LM. Never. Just impossible. The Cultus' time - yes, probably. But not the Escudo's.
I'm now trying to do it with the Celica Rally Car (the one with 569 bhp) - it's slightly worse than the FTO LM, but still waaaay better than the little MR Honda. My closest gap at the finish line was 1.3 seconds so far (about 8 seconds in del Sol's case)

Just for a record, I've spent many hours with my Celica RC, and I'm not sure it is possible either
This is my best result so far
Settings used: Springs 5.0 / 4.0 [kg/mm]; Height 125 / 128 [mm]; D.Bound 10 / 10; D.Rebound 6 / 6; Camber 2.0 / 1.0; Toe -0.05 / -0.20 [mm]; Stabilizer 4 / 3; Downforce 0.38 / 0.60; Race-spec gearbox (long 1st gear, very close others).
If anyone has any ideas what to do - don't stay quiet ^^

 

[A.A.Z.]

...a bit closer...

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Yes I mean the Cultus, thanks for that AAZ.

I'll try using the Celica RC later on if I have time, I'm pretty sure you still can't beat it though.

 

[A.A.Z.]

I think it's possible, but the driving along with the settings must be perfect. I don't know, maybe I should change something with the suspension - I meet some oversteering at very rough surfaces with variable height. Don't know exactly what to do, though.

BTW, if you need my checkpoint times to compare - the first was (+~1.1), second (-~0.3) and third (finish line) - (+~0.3).

 

[superberkut]

Best of luck with your fine work, A.A.Z.

The lack of balanced downforce would cripple the Escudo in a comparison with a Formula 1 car, I believe.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

We should get suchayo for the fine tuning stuff, he has got to be the man 👍

The Excuseo would most certainly lose in corners to an F1 car, no questions asked, but.......How does the Excuseo's acceleration times compare with an F1 car (0-400m, 0-1000m, 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 0-100-0mph)? Assuming both have minimum downforce and most aggressive gear setup possible. I'm interested, you see, because Top Gear did a couple of comparisons between F1 cars and supercars and none of them can even come close in terms of acceleration performance. Seeing the Excuseo is a MONSTER compared to the best supercars in GT2, I figured it would be interesting to pit the two of them together.

 

[TheBook]

You guys are wrong; the Escudo DOES have two engines.

He entered again in '94, switching from his Cultus to an Escudo-based racer, and came in overall 1st place in 1995 with a twin-engined Escudo, which in 1996 evolved into a twin-V6 engined-model.

The two engines, rear- and mid-mounted to the aluminum space frame body, are supercharged with twin turbos and deliver an amazing 995 horsepower at maximum output, with maximum torque of 688 lb-ft.

 

[A.A.Z.]

No, mate, you're wrong. The one you're talking about is a 1995 model, it did have a twin-engine system, but the one in the game is actually a 1996 model (according to its in-game looks, its in-game description and this), which had a twin-turbo single V6 engine.

Suzuki Sport has started challenging this race since 1989. Not only to challenge the record, but also to challenge for technical development. The Twin Engine Cultus/Escudo which had two engines are among the famous cars ever built. In 1995, Twin Engine Escudo has achieved overall win. A lot of companies around the world were challenging this same subject, but Suzuki Sport was the first to establish this technology.

In 1996, V6 Escudo has achieved to have aluminum space frame which is said to be difficult of having enough ability for competition machines. Also, realizing the importance of aerodynamics, we have equipped the wind tunnel facility inside our factory which gave us a lot of improvement on this area. It has also given us many experience on engine management. From this race. We have earned many things in whole area which is needed for motorsport.

 

[superberkut]

Maybe, "twin-V6 engined" referred to the turbos on the V6 and how the Escudo had the V6 as its engine. That's some very vague English used by the writer right there.