I have proof! The UK IS run by complete idiots!

Have our governments ever "gone too far into our personal space"?

I wouldn't say so personally, I mostly hear 'government invasion' rants from people who have reason to fear being ID'd, being routinely stopped by police, or are stupid enough to think of the police as the enemy.

I have little problem, except I loathe the green and friendlys and their 'Ban the car, save the world' ways.
 
I won't bother defending myself. I'll just move elsewhere and another country can have my taxes - one that isn't going to shaft me.

Do it! I did it and don't regret a second. I now pay my (much reduced) taxes to a government that maintains the best public transport system in the world, clean streets, zero sales tax, a low crime level, zero vandalism and cheap healthcare. The only problem is that owning and driving a car here is not a cheap pasttime.
 
Now I see where te Australian government gets it's crazy ideas from.
 
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Do it! I did it and don't regret a second. I now pay my (much reduced) taxes to a government that maintains the best public transport system in the world, clean streets, zero sales tax, a low crime level, zero vandalism and cheap healthcare. The only problem is that owning and driving a car here is not a cheap pasttime.
I would be fine with clean streets alone.

EDIT: Something even halfway like this would be fine:

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EDIT#2: Not to mention it's actually drivable.
 
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They need to make the permit and license tests HARDER. I just took my permit test and never took any class. I got 100% with just random knowledge. WTF...
 
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Do it! I did it and don't regret a second. I now pay my (much reduced) taxes to a government that maintains the best public transport system in the world, clean streets, zero sales tax, a low crime level, zero vandalism and cheap healthcare. The only problem is that owning and driving a car here is not a cheap pasttime.

I'd seriously consider it. Any demand for motoring journalists out there?...
 
Have our governments ever "gone too far into our personal space"?

Yes.

Maybe not specifically yours or mine, but certainly a chunk of our population for which too few of us stood up for. When we get compulsory ID cards - which one must buy (though I assume it'll be bought for people on benefits) and which it becomes a criminal offence not to present - it'll then be all of us, regardless of whether you think it's a good idea or not.

Next on the line is alcohol - which must cost a minimum 50p for every unit (which, it hasn't been pointed out, is a measurement defined by our government and our government alone). I can imagine lots of people won't complain about that either because it doesn't affect them (like the smoking ban didn't affect them). But eventually it'll reach something which does affect them and they'll find there's no-one left to stand up for them.


Right now it sucks to be British (or at least English - did you know they outlawed wheel clamping in Scotland in 1993 as a judge ruled it to be "tantamount to theft and extortion"? And what the French could teach us all about standing up for others' rights is an astonishing list). It sucks so hard that come the General Election we'll all be voting the incumbent party out and the other main party in, regardless of their policies...

One can only hope it happens before this retarded speed limit/SPECs scheme is implemented.
 
Re: Minimum alcohol price. From what I heard on the TV this morning the proposal was done by the CMO (Liam Donaldson iirc) and the MPs will kick it out.
 
Any demand for race technicians out there? :D

pesky motor journalists...
 
Re: Minimum alcohol price. From what I heard on the TV this morning the proposal was done by the CMO (Liam Donaldson iirc) and the MPs will kick it out.

The smoking ban was first proposed by Liam Donaldson...
 
You know what I would ban, Liam Donaldson and any other idiot who wants to ban everything. There once was a time ( or so I am led to believe ) where the government represented us, that's the whole point of elections, to do what the majority wants. This is not the case however, they just force you to do things their way. Now obviously, the Government have to have some sense, they can't just let people do what they want, like basically making drugs legal ( oh wait they did that with Cannabis, well that worked didn't it ):sly: If they were that serious about people's health, why don't you just outright ban things, oh I forgot they don't want to lose peoples tax on booze and cigarettes. Right now I could run the country, it's simple no matter what the problem the solution is always the same, you just hand out a fine, whether it's speeding ticket or their personal favourite, on the spot fines. The only reason they want to ban things, or reduce speed limits is nothing to do with trying to save lives as such, it's about looking good to the outside world, like oh look the UK has the lowest deaths from ( insert whatever here ). Maybe they should concentrate on making this a better place to live, sadly there are no figures that actually measure that, so they are not interested in that. Come election time things might change people say, well the party in power might, but nothing else will. It's no wonder people don't vote, it's like chosing what to stand in, either dog, horse or cow poo, it does not really matter what you chose, it's all bad, it's just a question of which one is worse and frankly I don't want to stand in any.
 
We've had a similar situation here since we changed to the metric kilometres speed. I think most people were confused by the conversion and never even noticed most of the limits went down. :lol:
However we did gain 2mph extra on some roads because 60mph changed to 100kph. :P If only people would actually travel those speeds I might get to work on time occasionally!

Ireland kicks ass when it comes to limits.. 50-100-50-100.. Signs on the side of the road saying that the limit is the limit, not the target. Perfect :)
Forgive me quoting something from page one in an old thread :)
 
I've noticed round here that the roads are slowly changing to 50. Every one of them can be driven through completely in my car never dipping below 60. If a 1.2 Fiat 500 with a bouncy rear end can take the entire road at 60 then anything can. They need to stop cutting speed limits and start taking the absolute ****ing morons who populate our roads off them for good.

If it's to do with emissions then I encourage everyone to drive through these new 50 zones in 3rd. Or even 2nd if you can manage it.

Oh, and for the record, my journey to work consists of a 60mph road. At 5.30am every morning I can be doing quite a bit more than that without so much as a flinch from the car. If anyone crashes on that road they shouldn't be driving in the first place.
 
They've cut a 60mph single-lane to 40mph right by my house :(

I'll admit, it's not the safest looking of roads, but its fun and you rarely even needed to be doing 60 to enjoy it. And the only 2 accidents in memory involved 2 guys of MDMA and skunk overtaking on the crest killing a taxi driver and when a women didn't apply her handbrake properly and her car rolled down her driveway (one of 2 on the entire stretch) over the road and down into the hedge the other side cauing soemone to swerve. Hardly speed related.

Knobs.
 
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There was an NSL piece of road near here. It's about a mile and a half in a straight line with absolutely clear visibility (unless the fog rolls in from the sea) and no houses of any variety on either side. In fact I overtook two cars on it just yesterday, with a literal mile to spare.

However, because it's by the sea, there's three parking areas off to one side. So one can encounter slower-moving, turning vehicles. With this in mind, the limit was cut to 40mph.

About 3 weeks after they cut the limit, someone, somehow managed to completely balls it up - a pair of giant, weaving, black lines heading clean off the road - and stack their car into the only building on that road. A toilet block.
 

About 3 weeks after they cut the limit, someone, somehow managed to completely balls it up - a pair of giant, weaving, black lines heading clean off the road - and stack their car into the only building on that road. A toilet block.

:lol: That's exactly the point though, it's not entirely down to speed. Speed might be a factor in not being able to react or stop as quickly, but the main factor is bad driving or generally being a bit thick. If it weren't for that, speed wouldn't make any difference.
 
Looking at the length of the failmarks and the airtime, he was doing about 80mph when he failed.

Which is another point - limits don't stop spastics behaving like spastics. Though they do increase the difference in speed when they come to smash into you (though reduce it if it's head-on).


I'd also wager that if you stopped 100 cars at random on any given piece of non-20/30 limit road and asked the drivers what the speed limit was, more than 75% wouldn't actually know, though about a quarter of those could manage to guess it right (so about 44% getting it right by guess or by knowledge).
 
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Coach drivers disqualified for an offence in the Republic of Ireland could soon find their punishment upheld in the UK.

New regulations unveiled in parliament today (November 25th) will ensure that disqualifications are enforced across Britain, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Road safety minister Jim Fitzpatrick said: "Britain has one of the best road safety records in the world but we need to do everything we can to improve even further.

"These measures will keep dangerous drivers off our roads by ensuring that disqualified drivers are not able to escape their punishment."

It is hoped that new regulations will be in place in each of the three legal systems by spring 2009.

The government unveiled new proposals earlier this month to introduce a higher fixed penalty of six points for drivers breaking the speeding limit by a large margin.

Proposals also included plans to make careless driving a fixed penalty offence, leaving those caught facing a £60 fine or three penalty points.


So drop the speed limit by 10 miles an hour and anyone Breaking the speed limit by a large marginWill get 6 Penalty Points.so if your caught twice breaking the speed limit by a large margin it will mean your off the road for a year.Most people drive around 5 to 10 miles an hour over all the speed limits in Ireland and the UK.Thats from the 30 miles an hour limit right through to motorway limits of 75 miles an hour.In my Job as a driving instructor i come across people all the time who are going for the test and even with me in the car they will go over the limit,most don't even know what the limit is on certain roads.Instead of droping speed limits and increasing fines and adding more penalty points on,why not start at the begining.Get in to the schools.
 
From the point you mentioned about not knowing limits, the only possibly good thing that has come from changing speed limits is that there is then an abundance of speed signs so one should never be in any confusion.

For example, the road I mentioned now has the new limit posted on several lampposts (unusual as it has no pavements and is little more than a country lane connecting 2 villages). They certainly haven't been sneaky about changing the limit, not something this goverment can always claim.
 
Legally, except in the case of NSL roads, the speed limit must be posted every quarter of a mile.

In practice, many 30/40 limit roads are NSL by Highway Code and Road Traffic Act definitions and so don't have to be signed. Unless there are fixed speed cameras on the road, in which case there should be a limit sign with a quarter mile of the camera.
 
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