I need a new car. No more than 20K USD, if even that.

Originally posted by ShobThaBob
Ill say it again, if drifting was the fastest way around corners, everyone would do it, and this drift king would win. Period. If he doesnt win, then obviously, its not the fastest is it?

who said it was the fastest? :banghead: keiichi tsuchiya simply proved to his compeitors who all grew up thta sideways was slow, that if drifts were performed in braking zones in places where it was selectively effective tactically, it was very useful. Again it may not be the absolute fastest way to get around a corner but it certainly does help you change racing lines that's otherwise blocked by slower fields, or to get around and block lines of others. It was something Keiichi called his own, that no one else can...drift in braking zones and maintain exit speed.
 
Originally posted by MiXx
Well think about this, you know how hard it is to adjust to track racing after youve spent your whole life drifiting in the mountains?

So he shouldn't be racing cars. <--- Period.

And no, its not unprofessional, as it takes almost more concentration and skill than an INDY car driver to drift.
Blah Blah.

Profession? Racing.
What's the guy doing? Playing around.

And about dangerous, hahaha, THATS laughable, The Drift King? dangerous drifting? dont go in the same sentance.... He takes drifitng to a new level of control...... [/B]
If you're playing around with your car amongst a pack of drivers who are actually racing, that's dangerous. I couldn't care less what the guy'd do to himself.
 
Damn dude, what beef do you have aginast drifting? just cuz you cant do it doesnt mean its a bad thing :lol:

About that other stuff, he wasent in the pack, he was behind it, in a ****ty car, and he already knew he was going to lose.

I sitll dont get where this big hate for drifitng came from tho, hard to get it.
 
I like drifting, but I dont go overboard. Yeah it takes skill, but then again, so do other types of racing (yes, even lawnmower racing). All motorsports are hard and dangerous in their own way. It is just as hard to learn to grip than it is to drift. When gripping, you need correct lines, right braking points, accel points, knowing when to push it and when to wait, clutch feel, accelerator feel, etc (some are the same in drifting). Just how I like all cars, I like all motorsports, whether it be F1, CART, NASCAR, Speed World Challenge, or what is possibly the toughest motorsport in the world, the FIA WRC.

MiXx, when someone who comes in here and starts talking like drifting is the best and nothing is better, acting all cocky, people tend to get really p*ssed, because it isnt the best, as everyone has their opinion on whats the best. Alot of GTP members are tired of the F&F scene, so if you show big wings, bright colors, and a ton of stickers on a car, you are bound to be flamed (and you have to agree with me that some people just go overboard with the bodykits)...
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
I like drifting, but I dont go overboard. Yeah it takes skill, but then again, so do other types of racing (yes, even lawnmower racing). All motorsports are hard and dangerous in their own way. It is just as hard to learn to grip than it is to drift. When gripping, you need correct lines, right braking points, accel points, knowing when to push it and when to wait, clutch feel, accelerator feel, etc (some are the same in drifting). Just how I like all cars, I like all motorsports, whether it be F1, CART, NASCAR, Speed World Challenge, or what is possibly the toughest motorsport in the world, the FIA WRC.

MiXx, when someone who comes in here and starts talking like drifting is the best and nothing is better, acting all cocky, people tend to get really p*ssed, because it isnt the best, as everyone has their opinion on whats the best. Alot of GTP members are tired of the F&F scene, so if you show big wings, bright colors, and a ton of stickers on a car, you are bound to be flamed (and you have to agree with me that some people just go overboard with the bodykits)...

God, who isnt tired of F&F? That movie put shame to the world of racing....

Sry bout all that stuff, im not trying to make it sound as drifting is better than anything (hell, I cant grip drive, ive drifted for so long that its impossible for me to do it, tho I want to try it one day...) I just wish people would stop flamming it all the time is all. And body kits, dear god, what has gotten into people! YOUR CAR ISNT GOING TO FLY! IT DOESENT NEED 50 WINGS! that I DO aggre with you on...

Haha lawnmower racing....havnet heard of that since that one thing that K-Mart was doing.....
 
There's pretty much no way in hell a 'drifted' car can out-lap the same car that is driven properly. It is possible for the drift car to carry more speed in the first portion of the corner, but since the drift car has by definition exceeded the maximum amount of grip the tires have to offer, it will never keep up with the properly driven car down the next straight. No exit speed, no fast laps.

As for comparing the amount of skill required to impress a crowd of teenagers against the amount required to ... say.. win at Le Mans or take a Formula One Driver's Championship; There is no comparision. The focus, determination, talent, physical stamina and sheer luck required at the highest levels of motorsport is magnitudes greater than what is required for what more of less amounts to 'performance art'.

That's not to say I don't find drifting amusing from time to time.

Its not hard to understand given that it is, at root, a counter-culture based on peer-approval. Why work hard at being fast when you can look fast and impress your friends? After all, peer approval is the one thing that young people truly crave.

If I sound a little harsh, it is purely intentional ;) I was young once, so I guess I understand.

To the original poster, sorry for continuing to hijack your thread. The most interesting sub-20k USD cars right now are pretty much all FWD. I'd recommend a Mini Cooper, but I suppose you can't use it for drifting.

How about a used MR-2 Turbo?


///M-Spec
 
I'd actually been looking at a few older cars like that, but my folks are totally against it. The don't want to have to deal with an old car, and the problems it entails. That's why I'm looking only at new or just off lease cars.
 
Originally posted by Takumi Fujiwara
I'd actually been looking at a few older cars like that, but my folks are totally against it. The don't want to have to deal with an old car, and the problems it entails. That's why I'm looking only at new or just off lease cars.

Like Frustrated Palm suggested, certain BMWs are excellent propositions even in your situation.

A '98 or '99 323is (coupe) can be had for 10-15k easily. They are the last of the previous generation E36 coupe cars. They are RWD, many of them 5 speed manuals. They make decent power and handle quite well. The M52 family of motors are exceptionally long lived and the rest of the car is very robust, especially towards the end of the model run. There is very little that go wrong on an E36, and running costs are very reasonable.

The car you want is one with 60k or less, probably coming from a 1st or 2nd owner who has taken good care of it. Make sure it has a clean title, a recent Inspection II, good records and you're good to go. No major worries until you hit 100k, after which you'll probably need a new clutch, lower control arms, tie-rods and shocks.

You can get a 328 or even an M3 with 15k, but you'll be shopping for older cars with higher miles. The 323 is the most sensible option of the 3.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by I6-4-eva
damn it would be tight if someone drifted in a lawnmower :lol:

:D Ill get back to you on that in 3 weeks..... :lol: Wich I had the extra cash to try that, thad be great to biring to exhibitons as like a pre-race show or something....

Bimmers are great reliable cars, and some with a great warrenty if u get it used from a dealership (even better stuff if u get it new)

M-spec has a good idea too, if your not too tall, an MR2 is a great little car. Id have one if I could fit into it :lol:

Lets see, you could get a new RSX type-S for 21, but thats 1000$ over the limit... If you look hard enough, you can maybe find a used (i know it says new, but hey, not many good new cars under 20) Subie WRX or the 2-door 2.5 liter RS. A new Sentra SE-R is also a good choice for under 20, usually find them very highly equipped for around 15, and I mean WEEL equipped, a new audio system, sport package, and everything....
 
Yeah, I suppose I could get a 323. We have a '97 328i, and it's a great car, a 323 might not be too bad of an idea.
 
Originally posted by Takumi Fujiwara
Yeah, I suppose I could get a 323. We have a '97 328i, and it's a great car, a 323 might not be too bad of an idea.

If you're seriously looking into a 323, let me further tempt you.

The 2.5 is rated at 170hp. The car really makes closer to 180 at the crank. BMW lowballed the 2.5 for marketing reasons because the 2.8 only makes ~190. M52 2.5s give up only a little in terms of power to a M52 2.8.

The cars have very good mod potential (for a German import). A 3.15, 3.23 or 3.38 LSD from an M3 will bolt right up and give you a signifigant boost in acceleration. Lots of other little M3 bits work on the 323 too (like the wheels, cams, certain suspension parts and exhaust), and there's a lot of aftermarket choices too. There are quite a few blown/turbo'd cars out there that run 13s, even 12s --but those tend to have OBD-I 3.2 M3 transplants.

Just find a near stock one that hasn't been abused, and its hard to go wrong with this car.


///M-Spec
 
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you could get one of these for 12k +

20k could get you a dope dope dope e30 m3.

i suggest considering e30s, just as well as e36s. maintenance isnt bad at all, even on the highly tuned s14 motor of the m3. just make sure you buy one that hasnt been neglected, and dont neglect it yourself.

some info

2.3liter 4cylinder, individual throttle bodies, 195hp, RWD, 2700lb, badass look, very original (5k in usa), the original ///M image (if you are the type of person to get sucked into hype, ie initial d and the piece of **** that is the ae86). the e30 m3 is a homologation special, produced and designed for racing.

my experience

driving my e30 m3, is SUCH a joy. great steering feel, very tossable, mine revs to 8k. a tad raw. feels like a gokart. i havent drifted it much, i always have very sticky tires on, im more into racing. but, the car is so easy to control, i think it would do great. (trailing arm rear suspension, loses or gains rear negative camber based on where load is. shifting weight forward makes rear lose grip, really rotates car. (please dont total an e30 m3)) 195hp isnt bad at all for such a light car. $200 for a conforti chip, and $80 for an evo 2 lower airbox, and im making 215-220hp easy. i race my car, it is VERY able. ive smoked lancer evos, STIs, ferrari 360s, 911s (all types), e36 m3s, 350zs, ferrari 308s, and just recently a detomaso pantera.

what you might not like

not as much straight line potential as an e36, or a turbo car. turboing an s14 is possible, but it would take some work, and its not what the car is about. even with rear trailing arm suspension, tail stays planted. the car was made to race, and when your racing you dont want insane oversteer. when you start looking for them, youll think they all have a lot of miles. i bought mine with 112k. its ran beautiful for the past 10k. theyll do 200k easy before need of a rebuild, and then its 2.5 time :mad: . neglect them badly enough though, and theyll become a pain in the ass. parts and labor are expensive.

s14 potential

took a trip to the quarter mile recently. ran a 14.8 in 95 degree heat. thats with chip and airbox. i know the car is capable of running a few tenths quicker. the s14 is a highly tuned, NA 4cylinder. its best kept this way. once you get a little past 230hp, power is expensive. most parts are bmw motorsports parts, so they are expensive (but they were made and raced by bmw on the same exact cars to win races, so they are high quality). the upper end of the s14s potential is 270-300hp. my bud has an e30 that makes something like 270hp. 2.5 liter evo spec, schrick cams, bigger valves, 48mm throttle bodies, 8400 revlimit hehe..... he runs 13s. his car is FAST. because of the torque curve, it actually feels faster than another friends car (e30 325is with e36 m3 motor. 290hp/2400lb) 6k rpm on, your floored into the seat. but expect to pay 10k + for a motor like that.

perfect car for me, not sure how it would suit you.

if you like e36s, a friend just bought a 325 for 9k or abouts i think. the car has 90k or so on it, so expect others to be more expensive. it looks really slick. has the m3 sideskirts. 195hp. its a heavy car, but its not slow.
 
Although it's an awesome car, and I'd personally like one, my folks have flatly said that I can't get anything more than about 5 years old. So, It seems like an E36 would be about what I'd get. And they love our E36 (I think...Is a '97 an E36?) 328, so I think it wouldn't be a hard sell to get a Bimmer over a Subaru or a nissan or something.
 
Hey, guys, forget it all. I've decided to buy an S13 and mod it up. I just found out that I live near a prime drift spot and have a local team, so I need a car I can bang up learning.
 
learn car control properly first and you wont have to worry about "banging up" a car.

my only suggestion is that you dont waste too much money on this first car. hopefully youll grow out of this.
 
http://ww.signalauto.com

That is a GREAT company and they make more mods for sivlias than you can count, all made for drifitng, and most of them arnet that expensive.

And like advanR said, its a good Idea to learn car control first before you start drifitng. you need to understand things such as understeer, oversteer, correction, slip angles, traction, and loads of other stuff before you should even try drifiting
 
Try drifting on dirt first at least. Like go to a rally school and drift on the dirt, so at least you know how it feels on a surface with less traction, which can help you get the steering correct...
 
I've been doing more and more research, and I'm actually leaning away from the S13. I think I'll go with an FC3S RX7. I really like Mazdas. And it's too hard to resist the lure of the Rotary engine.
 
Originally posted by bengee
how are you going to afford an fc3s's upkeep

I'm getting a job as a assistand under a performance mechanic, so I'll be able to do a lot of the work myself, and get free or cheap help with the harder stuff.

And, actually, if treated right, a Rotary is great. As long as you change oil and the like regularly, the engine will be trouble free for a long time.
 
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