i think i killed a Skyline

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Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
For one, talk right. He probably beat you even though you had nitrous because you cant drive. Anyway, skylines arent that fast. Some people on this board say it is a little heavy and slow (forgot what the thread name was). Snoopy, you saw that thread right?

the R34 skyline is heavier than the others but you have to remember that the skyline was meant for the track not drag racing....plus your right stock skylines are not that fast but there are some mods you can do to make em faster....I think I read somewhere that there is some plug you can remove and get more HP...I'll dig it up...
 
heres what razor GTR has:

Custom 600x300x100 (23.6"x11.8"x4") front mount I/C
Trust Racing Stainless downpipes 2 1/4"
Trust Power Extreme 3 3/4 Stainless exhaust
Greedy Profec B boost controller
Custom Chipped ECU
1 kg of boost (14.8psi)
2400lb single plate paddle clutch.
Best current time 11.82 @ 112mph Full street trim including spare wheel and all tools full interior.
I was launching at 7,000 rpms
 
ok I found what I was talking about:

Nissan decided one way to keep the power down was to restrict the boost with not only an electronic solinoid but also a small brass plug with a very small hole. The solinoid bleeds boost off much like any other boost controller but then they put a plug in the exit line to restrict the amount of bleed. It has a very small appeture about 2mm. Boost is about 7 psi factory.

Remove the boost restrictor plug. Only doing that the boost went to just under 1bar (14.6psi) to 13.75. Power at the wheels went from 164kw (219hp) to 184.5kw (247hp). That was the same dyno on the same day.


thats 28 HP just for removing some stupid little brass plug...
 
BTW heres the original comment.....

THIS WAS POSTED BY RAZOR GTR

The GTR's infact ARE detuned. Here is how I can make that assessment.

1. The factory fuel and ignition maps are extremely conservative. The ignition timing factory is set around 15deg advanced. As the car begins to make boost it retards it sharply. This is done so that people (not too smart ones) can run lower octane fuels and not get detination. The fuel maps are set simuarly except when boost comes on the injector duty cycle has a limit of 85%.

2. Factory raising fuel pressure regulator. It has a very low pressure. Why I have no idea. The max pressure is 30psi.

3. Boost restrictor plug and solinoid. This one has me confused. Nissan decided one way to keep the power down was to restrict the boost with not only an electronic solinoid but also a small brass plug with a very small hole. The solinoid bleeds boost off much like any other boost controller but then they put a plug in the exit line to restrict the amount of bleed. It has a very small appeture about 2mm. Boost is about 7 psi factory.
While these 4 things do not seem like much here is what the gains are by modifying only these componants. I will use my car as an example

1. Nismo or any aftermarket raising rate fuel pressure regulator. Set to 3 bar (43psi) at idel and rasing to 5 bar (72psi) high boost. This increases the factory very small 444cc injectors out put to approx 500cc equivelent. This is needed to effectively wind the boost up.

2. Remove the boost restrictor plug. Only doing that the boost went to just under 1bar (14.6psi) to 13.75. Power at the wheels went from 164kw (219hp) to 184.5kw (247hp). That was the same dyno on the same day.

3. ECU work. My tuner then re-mapped my factory ecu's fuel and ignition load points and curves. At .95 bar or (13.75 psi) my power output went up to 225kw (302 hp) at the wheels.

4. I replaced the factory boost control soliniod with a Greedy Profec B and increased the boost to 1.05 bar (15.2 psi). Power increased to 247kw (331hp) at the wheels.
As you can see by altering the factory settings there was a substantial increase in power. Not only that but when driving around normally or cruising my fuel ecomony has increased.
So you last comment is without merit.
 
As I read this the the original post, there are a few things that honestly don't make sence. You were driving a TVR Cerbera all 350hp of it right?

Originally posted by BMW POWER
well earlier today on my way home from work i was racing this skyline GTR through town and when the road finally opened up onto a motorway we both booted it and for about five minutes it was a straight blast down the road but when i saw the traffic getting heavier up ahead i slowed down and started braking, allowing the skyline to catch up.[/i]

Ok so what your saying for 5 mins you both were at WOT clipping up a motorway in light to moderate traffic? This doesn't seem strange to anyone let alone out right recklace? Then you go on to say you slowed down to let the skyline catch up, ok it probably was a R34 GT-T (276hp factory), which to the untrained eye would look very simular to a R34 GTR (320hp factory). I noticed you say skyline not GTR so ok. Lets assume it was in fact the GTR. For 5 mins of WOT the gearing would put him over the 300kmh mark.


I then pulled over into the middle lane alowing him to overtake me and just as it did, he must of put his foot down again because i heard the dump valve go but nothing happened. instead there was this really loud bang and a big load of black thick smoke coming from the exhaust. [/b]


Ok now you saying he has a dump valve or do you mean blow off valve/pop off valve/pressure releive valve? A dump valve from how I have heard it called is an external waste gate. That would mean after market turbo(s). So if he had aftermarket turbos big enough to require an external waste gate that would put his power over 500hp easy. Even a single turbo conversion. The smallest twin set up would net you or flow 700hp. Humm interesting. In which case given the gear ratios of the R34 GTR gearbox, which is a 6 speed, he would have just left you for dead. How can I say that? Simple, it is hp + areo dynamics + gearing = only one conclusion at wot for 5 min. For the record every single turbo skyline manufactured from the R31 through to the R34 all had factory blow off valves. None had external waste gates though.

Thick black smoke is fuel not oil. If he blew a turbo(s), put a rod through the side of the block, or burnt a hole through a pistion the smoke would be white or blue not black. It sounds like a major back fire which would be the signs of an electrical failure such as an airflow meter issue, coil pack igniter, etc. Electrical break downs as such is not caused by running too much boost either.


i dont think it was even that old, a V plate which i think is 1999 but not to sure, so if anybody has any idea please reply.


Ok this is a new one on me. What is a V plate? Do you mean Vspec? If you saw the "V" you would have seen the rest of the lettering next to it as it sticks out like a sore thumb. I thought I knew of ever GTR or Skyline for that matter made. Please what ever you do get a bloody picture of it! I would love to add this new car to the list of produced Skylines. (sorry being a bit sarcastic.)

My pultry GTR which is no where near that sort of hp has taken porshe's, 308 Farrari GT, ZR1 Vette, Holden 300kw GTO's and just walked away from them up to max speed. That was achieved in less than 30 secs of wot, not 5 min. While the other cars have areodynamics on me, I had sheer brute power and no let off until I hit the rev cut of 8,000 rpms. BTW this was done at ohakea airport on the run way. Yes there were other cars out there that achieve much quicker acceleration and top speeds. Those included a race car Porsche, Lamborghini Diablo, 8 other GTR's, super charged V8's, host of street bikes, and a couple of Supra's. There are a lot of quick cars out there without a doubt. The Skyline GTR is NOT the god of all cars. I wish it was but in real life it just is not so.
I've been beaten by very small cars pushing huge hp, just as I have beaten a fair few others. This thread just smells too much like bs for me is all. Hey if you had said the guy lost control and went off the road because he was a tosser who couldn't drive I would say good on ya well done! Teach the loser how to drive, but what is hard to digest is story's that sound more like fairy tails than anything else.

If, and I stress IF, you're little tale is legit sweet. Only you know if it is. I will let the others make up their own minds. As for me, well I need a little more convincing than this.

Sorry just my personal opinion, which doesn't mean sqaut :)
 
Originally posted by RazorGTR
Ok this is a new one on me. What is a V plate? Do you mean Vspec?

Originally posted by M5Power
V was 1 September 1999 to 29 February 2000 - so, model year '00.

Already been explained (6 hours earlier in the same thread). UK cars have an age identifier on their registration (license) plates. A V at the beginning indicates the car is no older than September 1999.

You can buy personalised plates with any age identifier at the beginning, but crucially the car cannot be older than the age identifier. This means the Skyline was certainly an R34, as R33s expired in 1998 (R or S plate) and would legally not be allowed a V plate.
 
Originally posted by RazorGTR
As I read this the the original post, there are a few things that honestly don't make sence. You were driving a TVR Cerbera all 350hp of it right?


Ok so what your saying for 5 mins you both were at WOT clipping up a motorway in light to moderate traffic? This doesn't seem strange to anyone let alone out right recklace? Then you go on to say you slowed down to let the skyline catch up, ok it probably was a R34 GT-T (276hp factory), which to the untrained eye would look very simular to a R34 GTR (320hp factory). I noticed you say skyline not GTR so ok. Lets assume it was in fact the GTR. For 5 mins of WOT the gearing would put him over the 300kmh mark.


Ok now you saying he has a dump valve or do you mean blow off valve/pop off valve/pressure releive valve? A dump valve from how I have heard it called is an external waste gate. That would mean after market turbo(s). So if he had aftermarket turbos big enough to require an external waste gate that would put his power over 500hp easy. Even a single turbo conversion. The smallest twin set up would net you or flow 700hp. Humm interesting. In which case given the gear ratios of the R34 GTR gearbox, which is a 6 speed, he would have just left you for dead. How can I say that? Simple, it is hp + areo dynamics + gearing = only one conclusion at wot for 5 min. For the record every single turbo skyline manufactured from the R31 through to the R34 all had factory blow off valves. None had external waste gates though.


4 words. Power To Weight Ratio.

Example. you could have a 350BHP car, but if it weighs the same as a tank, your not going to go very fast.

The TVR Cerbera is a shade over a ton, with same BHP. So it stands to reason that the lighter car would win. :)
 
Originally posted by M5Power
V was 1 September 1999 to 29 February 2000 - so, model year '00.

Did you by any chance visit England once? Only your the only Amercian I know that understands our licence plates. :confused:
 
Originally posted by Famine

Already been explained (6 hours earlier in the same thread). UK cars have an age identifier on their registration (license) plates. A V at the beginning indicates the car is no older than September 1999.

You can buy personalised plates with any age identifier at the beginning, but crucially the car cannot be older than the age identifier. This means the Skyline was certainly an R34, as R33s expired in 1998 (R or S plate) and would legally not be allowed a V plate.

I know, but he didn't mention if it was prestige or not, so I just went with V. MY '00 is R34 anyway.

Did you by any visit England once? Only your the only Amercian I know that understands our licence plates.:confused:

I visited, but that's not why I understand. I understand because I'm screwed up inside.
 
as razor pointed out black smoke is fuel and not oil. i believe oil burns with a white/blue smoke. if the turbo blew, from what i understand you'd get white smoke since all the seals would break.

and a dump valve comes on when u let GO of the throttle not when u hit it. i seem to remember u said you thought u punched the pedal. either way, it sounds to me like he had a misfiring system installed and the d. valve sounded just before the engine deliberately misfired. sounds like a highly modified engine to me and he was just toying with u. maybe he missed his turn off thats why he was so eager to slow down? :odd:
 
as for the licenses, they changed as of 2000, now u get two letters symbolizing the city it was registered in (i.e. LN for london) then 2 digits for the date, and finally three random letters.

the date is split up into two halves, cars registered in the first half of the year start 0 (like 03 for 2003) and cars in the latter half start 5 (so 52 for 2002). i've seen 00's, but i don't remember seeing a 50, can anyone shed some light on this? i my explanation slightly wrong?
 
Originally posted by RazorGTR
As I read this the the original post, there are a few things that honestly don't make sence. You were driving a TVR Cerbera all 350hp of it right?



Ok so what your saying for 5 mins you both were at WOT clipping up a motorway in light to moderate traffic? This doesn't seem strange to anyone let alone out right recklace? Then you go on to say you slowed down to let the skyline catch up, ok it probably was a R34 GT-T (276hp factory), which to the untrained eye would look very simular to a R34 GTR (320hp factory). I noticed you say skyline not GTR so ok. Lets assume it was in fact the GTR. For 5 mins of WOT the gearing would put him over the 300kmh mark.




Ok now you saying he has a dump valve or do you mean blow off valve/pop off valve/pressure releive valve? A dump valve from how I have heard it called is an external waste gate. That would mean after market turbo(s). So if he had aftermarket turbos big enough to require an external waste gate that would put his power over 500hp easy. Even a single turbo conversion. The smallest twin set up would net you or flow 700hp. Humm interesting. In which case given the gear ratios of the R34 GTR gearbox, which is a 6 speed, he would have just left you for dead. How can I say that? Simple, it is hp + areo dynamics + gearing = only one conclusion at wot for 5 min. For the record every single turbo skyline manufactured from the R31 through to the R34 all had factory blow off valves. None had external waste gates though.

Thick black smoke is fuel not oil. If he blew a turbo(s), put a rod through the side of the block, or burnt a hole through a pistion the smoke would be white or blue not black. It sounds like a major back fire which would be the signs of an electrical failure such as an airflow meter issue, coil pack igniter, etc. Electrical break downs as such is not caused by running too much boost either.




Ok this is a new one on me. What is a V plate? Do you mean Vspec? If you saw the "V" you would have seen the rest of the lettering next to it as it sticks out like a sore thumb. I thought I knew of ever GTR or Skyline for that matter made. Please what ever you do get a bloody picture of it! I would love to add this new car to the list of produced Skylines. (sorry being a bit sarcastic.)

My pultry GTR which is no where near that sort of hp has taken porshe's, 308 Farrari GT, ZR1 Vette, Holden 300kw GTO's and just walked away from them up to max speed. That was achieved in less than 30 secs of wot, not 5 min. While the other cars have areodynamics on me, I had sheer brute power and no let off until I hit the rev cut of 8,000 rpms. BTW this was done at ohakea airport on the run way. Yes there were other cars out there that achieve much quicker acceleration and top speeds. Those included a race car Porsche, Lamborghini Diablo, 8 other GTR's, super charged V8's, host of street bikes, and a couple of Supra's. There are a lot of quick cars out there without a doubt. The Skyline GTR is NOT the god of all cars. I wish it was but in real life it just is not so.
I've been beaten by very small cars pushing huge hp, just as I have beaten a fair few others. This thread just smells too much like bs for me is all. Hey if you had said the guy lost control and went off the road because he was a tosser who couldn't drive I would say good on ya well done! Teach the loser how to drive, but what is hard to digest is story's that sound more like fairy tails than anything else.

If, and I stress IF, you're little tale is legit sweet. Only you know if it is. I will let the others make up their own minds. As for me, well I need a little more convincing than this.

Sorry just my personal opinion, which doesn't mean sqaut :)

thats fine i have no problem with your opinion, so am going to help clear a few things up.

"You were driving a TVR Cerbera all 350hp of it right?"

no i was driving a cerbera 4.5 with 420bhp

"so what your saying for 5 mins you both were at WOT clipping up a motorway in light to moderate traffic? This doesn't seem strange to anyone let alone out right recklace?"

no i'm sorry i did exaggerate, it was more like one or two minutes and yes i am a reckless driver, but also an experienced one

"Then you go on to say you slowed down to let the skyline catch up, ok it probably was a R34 GT-T (276hp factory), which to the untrained eye would look very simular to a R34 GTR (320hp factory). I noticed you say skyline not GTR so ok. Lets assume it was in fact the GTR. For 5 mins of WOT the gearing would put him over the 300kmh mark."

well i personaly know nothing about skylines so all i can say was that it was a 1999 model, i just assumed it was a GTR. but i can tell you he never got anywhere near the 300kph mark as i only hit about 140mph at most and he was a good distance behind me all the way

"Ok now you saying he has a dump valve or do you mean blow off valve/pop off valve/pressure releive valve? A dump valve from how I have heard it called is an external waste gate. That would mean after market turbo(s). So if he had aftermarket turbos big enough to require an external waste gate that would put his power over 500hp easy."

not necessarily, i've seen lots of small boy racer cars such as renault 5 GTT's which i know for a fact aren't pushing 500bhp equiped with a dump valve or what ever you want to call it

"Thick black smoke is fuel not oil. If he blew a turbo(s), put a rod through the side of the block, or burnt a hole through a pistion the smoke would be white or blue not black."

well again i have no experience with anything like this but all i can say is that it looked like it lost power and he then pulled over to the side of the road

"Ok this is a new one on me. What is a V plate? Do you mean Vspec?"

no, V plate is part of the registration as already explained earlier in this thread, indicating that it was a 1999 model

"Hey if you had said the guy lost control and went off the road because he was a tosser who couldn't drive I would say good on ya well done! Teach the loser how to drive, but what is hard to digest is story's that sound more like fairy tails than anything else."

so you would believe it if i said the guy couldent control it and crashed? this suggests to me that you actually have more problems believing that the skyline was beat by my TVR but thats just my opinion. if theres anything else you want cleared up just ask 👍
 
Oil and gas burn black. If its white, its the water. If its oil you can tell due to the distince smell it gives off (unlike gas which can smell pretty much the same) and water doesnt really have any smell unless there is an additive in it...
 
Originally posted by Nightmage82

the date is split up into two halves, cars registered in the first half of the year start 0 (like 03 for 2003) and cars in the latter half start 5 (so 52 for 2002). i've seen 00's, but i don't remember seeing a 50, can anyone shed some light on this? i my explanation slightly wrong?

Actually, they started at '51' on 1 September, 2001, after the Y-regs (1 March 2001 through 31 August 2001) gave way. Upon completion of '51' on 28 February, 2002, they went to '02,' etc. The series is slated to end 31 August 2050 with completion of the '50' series. '01' and '00' will not be used, so I'm not sure what you saw. If one registered a car today, the car would receive 03 regs, since we're between 28 February, 2003 and 31 August, 2003.

as for the licenses, they changed as of 2000, now u get two letters symbolizing the city it was registered in (i.e. LN for london) then 2 digits for the date, and finally three random letters.

You actually used to get two letters for the same purpose in the past, but they were disguised as the last two of the tag - i.e. A123 SLA.

Current letters are a bit more complex than you explain it - the first letter is the region, which, except for Severn Valley (V), always has the same first letter as the plate (i.e. London is L, Preson is P, Yorkshire is Y). All letters will be used excepting I, J, Q, T, U, and Z in the first position. X is for export. It's followed by the second letter, which corresponds to the exact DVLA registration office. All issuing offices have more than one letter except the Isle of Wight's (which is just 'Y' followed by Hampshire & Dorset's code letter H).

And that's more than you ever wanted to know about that. :D
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Actually, they started at '51' on 1 September, 2001, after the Y-regs (1 March 2001 through 31 August 2001) gave way. Upon completion of '51' on 28 February, 2002, they went to '02,' etc. The series is slated to end 31 August 2050 with completion of the '50' series. '01' and '00' will not be used, so I'm not sure what you saw. If one registered a car today, the car would receive 03 regs, since we're between 28 February, 2003 and 31 August, 2003.



You actually used to get two letters for the same purpose in the past, but they were disguised as the last two of the tag - i.e. A123 SLA.

Current letters are a bit more complex than you explain it - the first letter is the region, which, except for Severn Valley (V), always has the same first letter as the plate (i.e. London is L, Preson is P, Yorkshire is Y). All letters will be used excepting I, J, Q, T, U, and Z in the first position. X is for export. It's followed by the second letter, which corresponds to the exact DVLA registration office. All issuing offices have more than one letter except the Isle of Wight's (which is just 'Y' followed by Hampshire & Dorset's code letter H).

And that's more than you ever wanted to know about that. :D

Shut up Doug.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Actually, they started at '51' on 1 September, 2001, after the Y-regs (1 March 2001 through 31 August 2001) gave way. Upon completion of '51' on 28 February, 2002, they went to '02,' etc. The series is slated to end 31 August 2050 with completion of the '50' series. '01' and '00' will not be used, so I'm not sure what you saw. If one registered a car today, the car would receive 03 regs, since we're between 28 February, 2003 and 31 August, 2003.



You actually used to get two letters for the same purpose in the past, but they were disguised as the last two of the tag - i.e. A123 SLA.

Current letters are a bit more complex than you explain it - the first letter is the region, which, except for Severn Valley (V), always has the same first letter as the plate (i.e. London is L, Preson is P, Yorkshire is Y). All letters will be used excepting I, J, Q, T, U, and Z in the first position. X is for export. It's followed by the second letter, which corresponds to the exact DVLA registration office. All issuing offices have more than one letter except the Isle of Wight's (which is just 'Y' followed by Hampshire & Dorset's code letter H).

And that's more than you ever wanted to know about that. :D

Dude, this guy knows more than me! :eek:
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Actually, they started at '51' on 1 September, 2001, after the Y-regs (1 March 2001 through 31 August 2001) gave way. Upon completion of '51' on 28 February, 2002, they went to '02,' etc. The series is slated to end 31 August 2050 with completion of the '50' series. '01' and '00' will not be used, so I'm not sure what you saw.

i saw a 996 and it definitely had 00 in the 3rd and 4th positions. im not too sure what the first two digits were but it looked like a private plate. so it could have been TT 00, and then three random zeros. but it looked just like one of the regular plates, only with 00 in it.

thanks for the info btw.
 
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