If GT5 does incorporate a livery editor...

[SrRd RacinG]

KY's response sounds a little weird.

"Probably not for GT5, though it’s certainly on our list of things to work on…”

Is it on the list of things to work on because:

1. It's not already made? (Hasn't been worked on yet).

2. It's made, but it's not fit for GT5. Needs more work. (GT6 feature).

My point it: Why say "probably not"? If they haven't begun to make the livery editor yet, if it's on the list of things to work on, then the word "probably" is not even necessary.

 

[hardvibes]

^ #2 for me. The idea of a livery editor is in the air since 2006.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

^ #2 for me. The idea of a livery editor is in the air since 2006 (remember the list of features from TGS06?).

How could I forget?

 

[maxpontiac]

Or maybe include an option to switch off seeing liveries while online like a player mute function?

Come on guys, the problems we dig up with to justify what's not in the game...

As opposed to the problems people dig up to create threads? It's a vicious cycle that never ends here. Don't be so surprised.

Anyways...

I agree. That would be a viable option. But then could you imagine the backlash here at GTPlanet? Talk about "premium v standard" part 2..

 

[Nero9]

(codeword for the Roman Emperor Nero)

No livery editor. Then could we at least paint our cars?

 

[SrRd RacinG]

At the end of the day its not in gt5.

Thank you, KY Jr.

I cling to your every word.

 

[Detroitbb]

My point it: Why say "probably not"? If they haven't begun to make the livery editor yet, if it's on the list of things to work on, then the word "probably" is not even necessary.

I think that is just something he says quite bit. Most interviews with him reveal that he uses that word very frequently. Most people have certain words that they use (possibly even to excess). I could also be a way of appeasing fans without really committing to something.

I think it's quite possible that they had some very basic tools/framework in place for some type of visual editor, but didn't pursue it further for whatever reason.

 

[CTznOfTime]

KY's response sounds a little weird.

"Probably not for GT5, though it’s certainly on our list of things to work on…”

Is it on the list of things to work on because:

1. It's not already made? (Hasn't been worked on yet).

2. It's made, but it's not fit for GT5. Needs more work. (GT6 feature).

My point it: Why say "probably not"? If they haven't begun to make the livery editor yet, if it's on the list of things to work on, then the word "probably" is not even necessary.

It sounds like Kaz talked about the Livery Editor in the same tone as he once did for the Karting. If one of his employee spoked the truth, and there will be more news coming during TGS, then maybe Livery Editor will be one of the surprises

I sure hope so... Kaz is probably working out the finer details, and finalizing the incorporation of Livery Editor...


It sounds like he is more positive about Livery Editor than he was about Karting... and yet Karting made the list as we all know...

Let's just continue crossing fingers...


In conclusion: i think Livery Editor is made, but not yet finished.
It will fit GT5, but at this point probably need more work, especially the interface and the shrareability of things...

It can make it for GT5, but it will depends on how satisfied Kaz is/will be about the work of his PD team.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

That's exactly why I'm bringing this up....it occurs that I've seen in fm3, during online races, cars with swastikas, racist insults, 666 etc...
Of course after each race I reported these things but I'm sure no disciplinary actions were taken by microsoft.

I'm willing to bet you've seen those kinds of liveries far less often than you've seen "normal" non-offensive ones, though.

Are you really comparing the number 666 (codeword for the Roman Emperor Nero) with a potent symbol of the Holocaust (a swastika) and racist language?

If we really want to get down to it though, the swastika wasn't originally a symbol of that either. It's just the most common tie these days; much like how 666 is associated with the devil before anything else for many people.

That is exactly why I am glad they didn't put one in. I am still hopeful that we are given the ability to put decals in similar to the ones featured on NASCAR (for example), but I do not want to see anime porn on the cars online.

Meh, by that same reasoning though, I don't want online racing in, because some people will be asshats in it and ram and generally ruin the online experience.

The fact is as long as there's the ability to interact with others semi-anonymously online, there will always be the people who, for lack of a better term, are the crap-disturbers. People who race dirty, people who make offensive paint jobs... it's bound to happen, there's no serious consequences. I don't see how the possibility (er, actually, likelihood) of a minority that abuses these options means the majority should go without.

Though I'm thinking there must be some way to implement a Report function similar to the one here on the forums? Or wouldn't the PS3's block function sort out ever having to see, for example, Der Fuhrer's SLS ever in a race with me again?

I agree. That would be a viable option. But then could you imagine the backlash here at GTPlanet? Talk about "premium v standard" part 2..

Would the simple option of being able to see custom liveries really spark that much of a debate? I can't imagine so, every single view on the subject would be covered then; the people who are anti-liveries (for whatever reason) would never have to see any, and the people who want them could. And they could all race together and never really even know!

 

[Detroitbb]

Then could we at least paint our cars?

That's what I'm saying... at least let us choose a custom paint color for a nominal fee!

 

[SrRd RacinG]

I know this is the livery thread, but I agree.

A paint shop would be a cool addition to GT Auto. Let us paint the cars after purchase. Paint some rims and brake calipers. Give me a bit of freedom.

We've seen only few things it has to offer. I want to see the customization aspect in depth.

 

[Detroitbb]

If we really want to get down to it though, the swastika wasn't originally a symbol of that either. It's just the most common tie these days; much like how 666 is associated with the devil before anything else for many people.

Very true... you make a good point.


BTW - Are you in The Hammer or the GTA?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Currently residing in the dirty, dirty Ham until school starts back up .

 

[Detroitbb]

Currently residing in the dirty, dirty Ham until school starts back up .

Sweet... that is a highly underrated city. Architecture buffs, like myself, recognize it for having the best collection of Victorian-era homes in all of Canada (and for affordable prices). I'd give my left nut to have one of those stately homes in the Durand neighborhood!

👍


Maybe I'd reconvert this current duplex (in a Queen Anne/Romanesque hybrid style) back to it's original single-family design:

 

[Nero9]

Is it just me or does that house look haunted?

 

[hardvibes]

Is it just me or does that house look haunted?

It's just its livery👍

 

[ralph89]

You know, people love to misuse derogatory phrases that just do not apply. Explain how someone's expression of what their car should look like (in a video game no less) is anything remotely similar to "rice"?

Because it's not a cruising America, car show, painting sim. It's a driving sim, simple as that. If GT5 is all about Import tuners, cool rides, or pimped ride etc, I will support the livery editor idea 100%, but in this case it's not (As what i've said, I prefer simple racing livery). GT5 is all about motor sports, so why bother puting a feature that don't belong to it? And about the ricey part, painted cars "look like" a ricer, but they don't drive like one, that was just my opinion, so I hope I don't offend you for me not liking a livery editor.

 

[skip101]

Everyone, I will bet livery is in the game. Of course kaz isn't going to answer yes because he is saving it for later reveal. If i am wrong everyone can make me look so stupid etc. but watch and see how right i am. If i am wrong, and thats a big if, then i jinxed it and you all can hate me

 

[Terronium-12]

Because it's not a cruising America, car show, painting sim. It's a driving sim, simple as that. If GT5 is all about Import tuners, cool rides, or pimped ride etc, I will support the livery editor idea 100%, but in this case it's not (As what i've said, I prefer simple racing livery). GT5 is all about motor sports, so why bother puting a feature that don't belong to it? And about the ricey part, painted cars "look like" a ricer, but they don't drive like one, that was just my opinion, so I hope I don't offend you for me not liking a livery editor.

That's really, just, plain ignorant and stupid.

You can dislike the idea of a livery editor because perhaps you prefer that your cars look natural for the entirety of their existence, but for no other reason than "It doesn't belong because it's a driving sim, simple as that." is without a reason at all. It's a video game....and last I checked games were supposed to be fun.

 

[captaincrunch24]

Sweet... that is a highly underrated city. Architecture buffs, like myself, recognize it for having the best collection of Victorian-era homes in all of Canada (and for affordable prices). I'd give my left nut to have one of those stately homes in the Durand neighborhood!

👍


Maybe I'd reconvert this current duplex (in a Queen Anne/Romanesque hybrid style) back to it's original single-family design:

Is that house haunted??

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Sweet... that is a highly underrated city. Architecture buffs, like myself, recognize it for having the best collection of Victorian-era homes in all of Canada (and for affordable prices). I'd give my left nut to have one of those stately homes in the Durand neighborhood!

👍


Maybe I'd reconvert this current duplex (in a Queen Anne/Romanesque hybrid style) back to it's original single-family design:

Holy crap! (Warning, about to go off-topic for a paragraph)

I know exactly where that house is, passed it a few times the past year. This city gets a bum rap because of it's (quite noticeable) problem with crazies, drug addicts, and high teen pregnancies, but it actually took a few friends coming to school here from Toronto (the opposite of my situation) for us to explore some of the quite fantastic architecture around here. Aberdeen in particular, down in the southeast corner of Durand, has some quite stunning houses that I go by on a daily basis. I had no idea Hamilton was known for anything other than steel!

/end o/t

On topic, while I was looking over the McLaren thread, I thought of something; perhaps PD doesn't want to include a livery editor because then they themselves can't advertise their usual car numbers? You know what I mean... counting every single livery as a new car. Give us a blank slate for a long-tail Macca and quite easily you can bump the count up by a dozen or so. Imagine that with all race cars!

 

[VXR]

Of course after each race I reported these things but I'm sure no disciplinary actions were taken by microsoft.

T10 are very strict with regards to abusive content. People caught selling stuff like that on their SF quite often receive console bans, which means they can no longer play online with that console in any game. So keep reporting those cars, because MS/T10 almost certainly ban them.

 

[amar212]

It's not some mustachioed Nazi penis though..

Never forget

 

[Detroitbb]

it's just its livery👍

lol

 

[dhandeh]

a small amount of individuality to your cars, would add a lot to the game. in supercar challenge i liked to paint all my cars the same colour, so it was my own personal fleet.
its the little things that make a big difference.

 

[maxpontiac]

SlipZtrEm posted...

Meh, by that same reasoning though, I don't want online racing in, because some people will be asshats in it and ram and generally ruin the online experience.

Ironically enough, I avoid online racing with everyone but my friends. To many "accidents" and jerks online.

The fact is as long as there's the ability to interact with others semi-anonymously online, there will always be the people who, for lack of a better term, are the crap-disturbers. People who race dirty, people who make offensive paint jobs... it's bound to happen, there's no serious consequences. I don't see how the possibility (er, actually, likelihood) of a minority that abuses these options means the majority should go without.

I agree that the online "arena" brings out the worst in some folks. That very fact is reinforced for me personally every time I play MAG. Gotta love those team killing individuals.👎

I guess it all comes down to old saying "a few bad apples spoil the bunch". It's unfortunate, but I believe necessary until a system is perfected.

Though I'm thinking there must be some way to implement a Report function similar to the one here on the forums? Or wouldn't the PS3's block function sort out ever having to see, for example, Der Fuhrer's SLS ever in a race with me again?

For sure, but I seriously doubt PD or Sony want's to allocate the assets for such an endeavor. Monitoring every complaint for the GT5 online feature in all likelihood would not be worth it.

I also feel that certain people would find things offensive while others do not. Who's right? Who's wrong? Talk about chasing your tail.

Would the simple option of being able to see custom liveries really spark that much of a debate? I can't imagine so, every single view on the subject would be covered then; the people who are anti-liveries (for whatever reason) would never have to see any, and the people who want them could. And they could all race together and never really even know!

Seriously man, take a look at the standard v. premium thread. Or perhaps you could find the thousands of comments on the lack of 3D trees. If you are really bored, go browse the forum for skidmarks and the lack there of (prior to GamesCom 10 of course). My personal favorite? The sound debate. OUCH.

Just wait until after November 2nd rolls around. If GT5 fails to incorporate a Livery editor to the smallest degree, this thread will end up a multi-thousand page monstrosity.

This is GTPlanet afterall.

 

[dhandeh]

Just wait until after November 2nd rolls around. If GT5 fails to incorporate a Livery editor to the smallest degree, this thread will end up a multi-thousand page monstrosity.

This is GTPlanet afterall.

certainly is full of angst at times!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Ironically enough, I avoid online racing with everyone but my friends. To many "accidents" and jerks online.

Oh, I do the same thing, though my first run in Prologue online was with a random who was essentially the same level as me. We duked it out for 10 laps on Sukuka, never being more than 2 seconds away from each other. It was a blast.

The main problem I have with randoms online is that if they aren't instantly competitive with you, they just drop out of the race completely.

I agree that the online "arena" brings out the worst in some folks. That very fact is reinforced for me personally every time I play MAG. Gotta love those team killing individuals.👎

I guess it all comes down to old saying "a few bad apples spoil the bunch". It's unfortunate, but I believe necessary until a system is perfected.

Eh, we agree it comes down to that saying then, I guess we just differ on whether choices really should be made so that those good people get punished.

For sure, but I seriously doubt PD or Sony want's to allocate the assets for such an endeavor. Monitoring every complaint for the GT5 online feature in all likelihood would not be worth it.

I also feel that certain people would find things offensive while others do not. Who's right? Who's wrong? Talk about chasing your tail.

Whether it's offensive or not could be up to Sony and/or PD's final decision in this case, then. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to implement; you could have one person dealing with complaints about liveries. It'd take a few minutes to find it, decide if it's offensive, and hand out whatever punishment is necessary. From what I understand, FM3 (er, or XBL itself, I'm not sure) hands out bans depending on these things.

Plus, I'm still pretty sure my block feature would work just fine in never having to see an offensive player again

Seriously man, take a look at the standard v. premium thread. Or perhaps you could find the thousands of comments on the lack of 3D trees. If you are really bored, go browse the forum for skidmarks and the lack there of (prior to GamesCom 10 of course). My personal favorite? The sound debate. OUCH.

Just wait until after November 2nd rolls around. If GT5 fails to incorporate a Livery editor to the smallest degree, this thread will end up a multi-thousand page monstrosity.

This is GTPlanet afterall.

Heh, true, but the one thing I do see with the two-tier argument is valid points on both sides (regardless of which side you and I may sit on). Obviously hypothetical here, but let's say GT5 came with a livery editor, and also came with an option to, say, "do not show custom liveries during online races". You've clicked that little box, I haven't. We could race together with my car painted up, but on your screen, all you'd see is whatever colour I bought the car in.

I know there's a rather simple way of doing that (we did it years ago in PC games), although I'm not entirely sure that would work with consoles, but my main point was that, while the standard vs premium debate will always have people on either side, incorporating said hypothetical viewing option really would satisfy both sides, in the case of a livery editor .

Either way... come on November 2nd 👍

 

[maxpontiac]

certainly is full of angst at times!

Indeed it is.

SlipZtrEm posted..

Oh, I do the same thing, though my first run in Prologue online was with a random who was essentially the same level as me. We duked it out for 10 laps on Sukuka, never being more than 2 seconds away from each other. It was a blast.

That story makes me cringe. My first experience on GT5P was on that very course as well. Needless to say I was violently rammed off the track on turn one, and never came back.

The main problem I have with randoms online is that if they aren't instantly competitive with you, they just drop out of the race completely.

I can deal with that. I don't mind the quitters, never have. Just the big mouths and bumper car drivers.

Eh, we agree it comes down to that saying then, I guess we just differ on whether choices really should be made so that those good people get punished.

Indeed.

Whether it's offensive or not could be up to Sony and/or PD's final decision in this case, then. I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to implement; you could have one person dealing with complaints about liveries. It'd take a few minutes to find it, decide if it's offensive, and hand out whatever punishment is necessary. From what I understand, FM3 (er, or XBL itself, I'm not sure) hands out bans depending on these things.

I question just how easy it is. Heck, I couldn't even go into the Auction House on FM3 without seeing some car with a naked cartoon character on it. I would like to think that PD could at least offer the livery editor off-line so if little Johnny wants to make virtual boobies on his GTR, he can. Just keep it in your living room, thank you.

Plus, I'm still pretty sure my block feature would work just fine in never having to see an offensive player again

Well, sometimes yes. On MAG for example, I run into a few players that I have on my block list. The same applied to MW2 when I played that one. I sometimes think the block list is only for the message end of things.

Heh, true, but the one thing I do see with the two-tier argument is valid points on both sides (regardless of which side you and I may sit on). Obviously hypothetical here, but let's say GT5 came with a livery editor, and also came with an option to, say, "do not show custom liveries during online races". You've clicked that little box, I haven't. We could race together with my car painted up, but on your screen, all you'd see is whatever colour I bought the car in.

Excellent idea. I mentioned it above (Yes, I don't read the whole post prior to posting, I am more a read and post as I go). That sounds like a simple solution that would keep all parties involved happy.

I like reading and discussing valid points on this site. I don't have a problem with that. What I do not like is one poster feels the need to post the same thing over and over again. Not pointing a finger at you, but there is a few people on this site who do nothing but post in a negative fashion. But whatever. I am learning to ignore and avoid threads.

I know there's a rather simple way of doing that (we did it years ago in PC games), although I'm not entirely sure that would work with consoles, but my main point was that, while the standard vs premium debate will always have people on either side, incorporating said hypothetical viewing option really would satisfy both sides, in the case of a livery editor .

Agreed. Not going to turn this discussion into a premium v. standard debate, but I am the side of waiting and seeing when the game actually comes out, or some 18 mp photos of them.

Either way... come on November 2nd 👍

Copy that.

 

[Nero9]

I hope this thread gets shut since there is no livery editor for GT5 as far as we know...or this gets renamed to "Livery Editor in GT6" and gets moved to the upcoming GT6 forum.
But there will always be people, hoping to the very end, digging up everything...