They have indeed, repeatedly (just as GTS has).
I'm no fanboy but I only have Playstations and thus, GT is the only racing game I've got that I play really lot. I love the series but despite that, I'm dissing it out because of its shortcomings. I have not played any Forza game yet but I've watched some videos of the gameplay and it seems really cool because it has some features a GT game could only dream for like the ability to roam around freely and make some swaps of a selected car's engine, as well as allow a lot of customization that may make them unique-looking.
Honestly, that's not even my point. I'm not downplaying PC2 weather physics. I was merely using PC2 as an example that having weather effects can cause performance issues on PS4 and given how competitive the online racing can be, you surely don't want to have unpleasant experience. Game engines are not all equal though just because T10 has managed to do it on Xbox without FPS issues that doesn't mean PD can easily do it without major downgrade in overall quality of the game. Mind you Kaz main goal with GTSport is to have consistent image quality and performance.
Well, honestly If you are looking for a serious racing game, for doing serious races against other opponents, I think Forza is indeed a wrong choice. I've not seen yet any serious "sim racer" that recommends Forza 7 for serious racing. I see it more as a fun arcade-ish game for casuals.
With what tyres? How wet was the track?
Nope.
Odd as I find quite the opposite.
And?
GTS is a step forward in terms of physics for the GT series, but the issues it still has with tyre and damper modeling still put it behind the likes of AC and PC2.
While I don't have FM (but loved the series last gen) I totally agree that limiting yourself to a single title results in so much being missed, I'm certainly glad to have the stupidly long list of titles I do, so I can run whatever suits the mood I'm in at that time.
Personally it depends on what mood I'm in, for many however (and this would be my most common mood) realism is the fun.
Indeed, enjoying yourself should always be the key, what starts the problems at times is that its a subjective thing for everyone.
It definitely doesn’t follow strict homologated racing like GTS, but it’s not any more arcade than GTS would be. The only main difference is the one focused on multiplayer and the other single player. They are a really good alternative to each other. The word casuals is such an odd one to throw around, to be honest as there’s hardcore players in any of these games. It really doesn’t hold much weight.
That you think it feels better means little though, to be honest. They've always been hand in hand in the middle ground together, almost exclusively to be honest. They don't fall as low as purely arcade games, but they definitely aren't simulating anything like you see in Pcars or Assetto Corsa. They've always occupied the same space with their physics engine - simulating things a bit differently but simulating enough to mimic reality in a realistic manner, but not over-excelling in it outright. Easy to pick up and play. The reason for that is to make it a more accessible game to appeal to way more people than something even more niche, like the more physics-oriented sims. Hell, our very own @Scaff has put most games through the ringer in that regard and has even proven as much in the past.
Not in my experience. In Forza I have to switch on stability control to make it similar to GTS with the 'pad. It is still more difficult to control the cars than in GTS at that point though.
Physics don't change with a wheel. What would change is the dampening that you receive on a pad and FFB you get with a wheel, so that could boil down to the differences that you feel rather than the actual physics. Regardless of what you feel, these two games hold on to that middle ground of simulation, and do it extremely well. They both have things they simulate better than the other, and a load of things they do similarly, but still are easy enough for just about anyone to jump into if they want to.
I think the two companies really acknowledged their issues they've faced in the past. With GTS being rebuilt from the ground up, and Forza's next iteration essentially put on pause while they iron out many of the issues with their current game. Even if they have their focus in different area's, both achieved what they set out to do, fairly well, in my opinion even if they both have their hiccups along the way. You're doing yourself a disservice if you're restricting yourself from what's on the market.
That's really not so much the case either, at least only to a certain degree. New to the series vehicles seem to be ok for the most part, it's the ones that get ported over that still hold on to the same inaccuracies that they've had in the past. What has happened, which is one major thing I think, is that their QC department hasn't been the best lately. The recent iteration of Horizon as well as the last of Motorsport had their share of bugs, more so than usual. In their haste to meet such a strict deadline I feel it hinders the quality control in some area's. That's likely why Forza Motorsport "8" was put on hold for now.
Indeed. As a car fan, I couldn't have said it any better. 👍
Absolutely, and I don't disagree either. When it comes to sims (whether you are on a wheel or pad) the challenge is there, and I love it!
Excatly! Well said.
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Which may well indicate something.
I'm 48 and have spent most of my working life in the motor industry, with time spent in dealerships, working for OEMs and third party suppliers. That's afforded me a lot of driving hours on road and on track, in a wide range of cars.
What they are attempting to communicate is what happens in reality, and by and large they do a good job of it.
And? Wet spec raceing tyres when up to temp generate a massive amount of grip and clear a huge amount of water. Are they as quick as slicks or inters? Nope, but they are still going to generate a massive amount of grip in comparison to road tyres. The challenge with wet conditions is losing temp in tyres (which is the real killer in terms of grip), or hitting standing water and aquaplaning.
Why not just turn down/off the camera shake?
Speaking from direct personal experience, bugger all grip on cold slicks is exactly what they should be like.
And I have no problem with you not getting on with either AC or PC, personal opinion of them isn't an issue (nor should it ever be) as its subjective. However objectively (while they still both also have issues) AC and PC have more in-depth physics models and get more of it right than GTS does.
